Reaper with Linux / WineAsio

[metasymbol]

Hello community,

One more time I want to talk about Reaper with Linux/Wine. There is a project named WineAsio from Ralf Beck, making it possible to run Reaper as JACK client with low latency inside Linux. The developer of this is JackLab releated, so there is a first RPM available for openSUSE 10.2/JAD 1.0 alpha. Also the main WINE RPM is patched and updated, for having working alsa midi IO.

I've tested it last weekend an I'm really impressed. Reaper runs nearly like on Windows, most VST plugins working, no crashes. but I havn't tested all features now. Here is a thread about this item. http://forum.jacklab.net/viewtopic.php?t=417

A screenshot for those don't believe:
http://people.jacklab.net/metasymbol/pixel/april.jpg

I think, Reaper now can fill the space between eXT2 and Ardour as the first "all in one VST studio" solution for Linux. Great work, Justin.

regards,
Michael

[aldi]

this is great. jorgen from energyXT will be very displeased to hear that maybe all his efforts to port energyxt to linux was a waste of time.

[scum]

fuck yeah, hail, cheers and fucking nice! :)
i can`t wait pclinuxos webpage to wake up back online, they have some problems now, but then i will request this package official, and will tell you how it`s working with pclos!

[metasymbol]

this is great. jorgen from energyXT will be very displeased to hear that maybe all his efforts to port energyxt to linux was a waste of time.

hehe, thats the way of life. Ralf, the dev of wineasio also made the full featured jackdriver (and midiout plugin) for eXT2 Linux.

http://people.jacklab.net/metasymbol/software/

And Reaper was not his main goal for starting the wineasio, he wanted to work with the NordModular G2 demo ;)

[scum]

cheers for the goodjob too, mr.Metasymbol, now i realized, that you are the jacklab developer. :) Keep on!

[metasymbol]

cheers for the goodjob too, mr.Metasymbol, now i realized, that you are the jacklab developer. :) Keep on!

Not exactly "the" developer, more the project leader and founder - and I'm a part of the JAD core team, as a musician. But others are better coder then me, so my main task is to evangelize the world with the good message.

JackLab is a community project bringing together devs, users and distributors for making a better support for productive music on Linux. Unlike other Linux projects, VST integration is an important point for us.

[MrGroove]

Very interesting, had not heard from WineAsio before. Definitely something I want to look into. I hope to have a Linux DAW in the (near) future.

Thanks for the info! :)

[funkster1]

Hi Metasymbol,
good to see you here. I've tried several times to register on the jacklab forum, unsuccessfully. Edogawa told me on jacklab@freenode that you approve all requests individually.
I'm also having many installation problems with jacklab such that yast shuffles around my IDE device numbers/names (calling them i.e. hde/hdf instead of hda/hdb on a mobo with PATA connectors and thus creating conflicts with GRUB), GRUB not installing correctly or maybe it installs, but doesn't give the right parameters/path's. Which leads to a message that "GRUB has encountered a problem...Retry to install?" or similar messages.***
This is definitely NOT LINUX Newbie friendly.
It would be cool if these problems could get ironed out, as your distro seems rather nice and VERY complete otherwise.
Another shock I had when I realised that there's no Envy24control in your distro. I mean come on, it's one of the most widespread converters out there and using kmix or whatever there is instead is a real PITA.

I'd be really interested in running Reaper under Linux, as I can't make it run smoothly under WinXP Pro. Crackles all over the place etc., while in Linux I NEVER EVER had ANY crackles with ANY audio app, even when really maxing out CPU/Memory.

For now I'm running 64-Studio, which is a really nice distro, not as full featured as jacklab yet, but they test all apps quite thoroughly before adding them to the repo. One of the main forces behind 64-Studio is "Free Ekanayaka", the man behind the now defunct "Agnula DeMuDi".
But the main point is, 64-Studio simply works out of the box. No heavy configuration/optimisation needed, no need to separately download/install a rt-kernel etc.
Your distro has the native VST-support on the +side however, which really is a biggie for those willing to try a change (incl. myself).

Anyway, I'd really like to further try/test your distro, but I'm a linux newbie myself, so I'm having some major difficulties running jacklab. And it's not an option for me to boot from DVD each time, going through the "install init" procedure each time to "Other Options...Start installed system".
Maybe you could sort my forum registration issues so that I could take part on the forum, just give me a PM. ;)
That would be cool.

Best regards

Raphael ;)


*** I never manged to install ANY WORKING SuSE distribution on my PC's. I've tried with 9.0, 9.1, 9.2, 10.0, 10.1, 10.2, and now Jacklab alpha2 (10.2). Sometimes I could install the distro but couldn't boot then into the system, or the installer decided to not even install the system on my PC. Maybe I'm not worth a SuSE install? :D :D

[charles.monteiro]

I do development for a living and so I very much appreciate Linux and all the open source tools there are such as Postgres and so forth. Now, as a musician on the other hand I want a DAW that runs as fast as it can and has as minimal compatibility issues with the hardware that I use. I am quite willing to have a totally dedicated box for music and I'm willing to spend what I need to spend which includes spending money on buying the right OS. If Reaper and all of the VST plugins I use and all the hardware drivers that I need ran on something like BeOS which supposedly leaves all other personal workstation OSes in the dust, I would be on BeOS.

So I'm wondering what's the compelling reason for Reaper to support Linux? What's the compelling reason for a user to contemplate Linux besides possibly saving some money on buying Windows?

The only possible reason I'm curious about Linux would be the development of a distro that was specifically tuned to audio/video applications. One which would provide significant performance advantages over Windows but that would have to entail compatibility to industry standards such as VST and ASIO. Obviously, I don't see how running on top of WINE will ever get the performance necessary to become that.

[sebas777]

We should start a wiki about Reaper+Linux (system installation, hardware and plugin compatibility list etc)...

[scum]

Not exactly "the" developer, more the project leader and founder
pard me for misunderstanding. anyway, cheers!

[scum]

So I'm wondering what's the compelling reason for Reaper to support Linux? What's the compelling reason for a user to contemplate Linux besides possibly saving some money on buying Windows?

i will give you one: windows is made by microsoft. are you proud, using something made by MS? I am not! The only thing, that keeps MSWindos on my PC, is the reaper. And this is dependence, i don`t want to be dependent.

[Amberience]

i will give you one: windows is made by microsoft. are you proud, using something made by MS? I am not! The only thing, that keeps MSWindos on my PC, is the reaper. And this is dependence, i don`t want to be dependent.

Most people couldn't give a fluck. They use the tools to realise their ideas, and those tools are nothing more.

[metasymbol]

Hi Metasymbol,
good to see you here. I've tried several times to register on the jacklab forum, unsuccessfully. Edogawa told me on jacklab@freenode that you approve all requests individually.

I have already activated your account a few weeks before - funkster1... Log in and it will work hopefully ;)

I'm also having many installation problems with jacklab such that yast shuffles around my IDE device numbers/names

Please remember that JAD (the name for the distro of the jacklab community) is in alpha stage and that we have only a limited amount of test pc's. I never use something like PATA or SATA so I have no experiences with it. It sounds like a big bug when every SUSE of the last 3 years didn't work on your system but studio64/debian do.

But on the other hand I have the feeling, that there is something totally wrong with your hardware, because for me Reaper works on all my pc's (3 workstations, a laptop) even on Windows flawless.

And at the end: JAD will maybe have a better VST support , but from the base every linux audio app is the same like on every other distro. I like SUSE because it works on all computers I use, but if not, I would use another distro. Eg WineAsio can be compiled also for debian.

[lemmy]

This looks really promising, as a stop-gap at least until there's a native Reaper Linux version ;)

I'm a Linux newb, just running Ubuntu Feisty and getting up to speed with it. Can I run WineAsio on there, or do I need a special distro?

[metasymbol]

We should start a wiki about Reaper+Linux (system installation, hardware and plugin compatibility list etc)...

Hehe... wiki.jacklab.net already do this job - with the next alpha of JAD it will be easy to setup Reaper because we integrate the updated wine and wineasio - just a "winecfg" for configuring the alsa midi and then "wine [/path to]reaperXXXXinstall.exe"

[metasymbol]

This looks really promising, as a stop-gap at least until there's a native Reaper Linux version ;)

I'm a Linux newb, just running Ubuntu Feisty and getting up to speed with it. Can I run WineAsio on there, or do I need a special distro?

No, you only have to patch the latest wine (for alsa raw midi compatibility), compile it, then compile wineasio and make install... or wait until your ubuntu package maintainer make ready to install deb packs.

[rotylee]

Novell and Microsoft.
http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/openletter.html
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/56066.html

other choices.
64STUDIO
http://64studio.com/
http://linuxaudio.org/files/press/lud55-Audio_Libre.pdf

CCRMA
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/
http://corporate.stanford.edu/research/programs/ccrma.html

dyne:bolic
http://www.dynebolic.org/
dyne:II core runs efficiently on solid state devices, loading its system from a compact-flash or similar controller.

Musix
http://www.musix.org.ar/en/index.html


JackLab Audio Distribution (JAD)
http://www.jacklab.org/
http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000208



http://linuxrockstar.blogspot.com/

($ Studio To Go live CD $)
http://www.ferventsoftware.com/

coming soon
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio

unrelated stumbled on
http://www.wirespring.com/Products/FireCast_OS/index.html
FireCast OS can be used to power a variety of kiosk and digital signage applications, such as touchscreen product catalogs, public Internet access points, and electronic billboards.



http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

[Rann]

Metasymbol,
This is great news, and I downloaded the iso file - but where can I find the hash number? I'd kinda like to know if the file is good before I get started. I ran the planet ccrma kernal on fc2 for a long time and the vst's were always the holdback.

peace,
rann

[metasymbol]

Novell and Microsoft.


FUD.

JackLab is a free project, independent and open. Just like Novell (SLED, SLES) we are using the openSUSE distro (which is a traditional Linux distro in Germany also before Novell sponsoring this ) to create a free and open product. Eg., we have to remove all Novell brands, because using them is a violation against copyrights, in the next beta release of JAD.

In a way you can see it from this side: -we release SUSE from the claw of Novell - but on the other side - Novell opened up commercial SUSE to openSUSE and gives us a great piece of the cake for free.

Also WineAsio from Ralf Sill (IRC nickname "Drumfix") is a free, independent and open project and has no relation to Novell.

PS, but a good collection of links ;)

[Tallisman]

i will give you one: windows is made by microsoft. are you proud, using something made by MS? I am not! The only thing, that keeps MSWindos on my PC, is the reaper. And this is dependence, i don`t want to be dependent.

What is the problem running a product owned/produced/sold by one of the world's greatest philanthropists? Especially, if it gets the job done?

Is it possible to make Linux a little more complex? I don't think that it is enough of a user-deterrent with all the distros, and Lingos and that lass Suzy; ubantu, kubantu; xubantu.

Pardon my frustration, and facetiousness, I tried... I couldn't even get flashplayer to install on Kubantu. Ubantu's none beta releases wouldn't even install...

I guess its Billysoft for me.

[metasymbol]

Metasymbol,
This is great news, and I downloaded the iso file - but where can I find the hash number? I'd kinda like to know if the file is good before I get started. I ran the planet ccrma kernal on fc2 for a long time and the vst's were always the holdback.

peace,
rann

WineAsio isn't present on the alpha2, but it will be on the alpha3, coming this week. Don't expect too much, it is a developer release alpha.

Hash number? U mean md5sum? It is 053ba37deafc9c5ea01d15a3cc878c5f

ftp://ftp4.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/jacklab/JAD/MD5SUM

[Rann]

Thanks Meta!
I'm looking forward to running linuxsampler again. :) I'll definately keep an eye out for the alpha 3 too. It'll give me time to set up a dual boot system again.

Thanks for all your efforts!

[pipelineaudio]

Metasymbol can you approve my registration in the forum when you get a chance please?

Thank you very much! THis is looking good

[metasymbol]

Metasymbol can you approve my registration in the forum when you get a chance please?

OK, I've activated your account - anyone else?

See http://forum.jacklab.net/viewtopic.php?t=25

[funkster1]

I have already activated your account a few weeks before - funkster1... Log in and it will work hopefully ;)
Thank you Sir, I didn't receive any further notice of this, so I could not know. ;)


It sounds like a big bug when every SUSE of the last 3 years didn't work on your system but studio64/debian do.
Well, this I don't know, I'm quite comfortable with Windows (XP) but not at all with Linux, again less with SuSE. I had tried other distris before (DeMuDi, Knoppix, Dynebolic, Musix, (K)Ubuntu, FC5 with the planet CCRMA addons) which all worked well, out of the box (no matter if installed or used as live CD/DVD). Now I had to change my graphics adapter 3 month ago or so and my mobo 2 weeks ago. Before that I had a Gigabyte board which was quite fast, stable and really reliable.

But on the other hand I have the feeling, that there is something totally wrong with your hardware, because for me Reaper works on all my pc's (3 workstations, a laptop) even on Windows flawless.
Just to let you know, I'm not the only one having problems with Reaper. But I think this is mainly in combination with VSTi's. I'm using quite some sample based instruments which stream from disk or load completely into RAM and it's mostly these VSTi's that cause me grief. I've been using Cubase SX (1, 2 & 3) for some years without any major problem (not talking about SX specific bugs here). I have used/am using other hosts, which behave very well on the same PC like Ableton Live 4/5, Tracktion 1.6.xx or so (the NFR version offered by Mackie at a certain time) etc., so I doubt that something is fundamentally wrong with my hardware. I usually stick with brand components for ANYTHING, to prevent double buying gear because I went for too cheap.

And at the end: JAD will maybe have a better VST support , but from the base every linux audio app is the same like on every other distro. I like SUSE because it works on all computers I use, but if not, I would use another distro. Eg WineAsio can be compiled also for debian.
I'm looking forward to the final release of JAD, to better VST(i) support and such things and sure I'll be trying it out once again. Hopefully till then I'll be a little more knowledgeable as well about linux to circumvent/fix small quirks.

Thank you for taking the time talking about these issues with me.

Regards
Raphael ;)

[pipelineaudio]

metasymbol, theres some discussion in reaper chat, about what exactly people are meaning when they say vst plugs can often be used in linux now. What do we need to pull that off?

If you get bored ever it would be cool to see you on there

[drew]

While I wouldn't quite have used Tallismann's words, I can't imagine Linux is going to endear itself to many average-tech-ability music types who'd like a non-Windows REAPER DAW with great perfomance and minimum tweaking - *until* a particular distro becomes the recommended choice and there's a default way of setting it all up.

I'm used to tweaking Windows - 'cos you have to be! One of the benefits I'd want in moving anywhere else would be to avoid all the necessary XP-style switching off of crap to get things working well - but the flexibility to tweak as/when as I get more used to the OS.

Linux-heads always tell me that's the beauty - only put in what you want. But for now we're obviously still a fair way from being able to download an O/S package & a REAPER install and get going quickly without a steep learning curve!

I never thought of myself as a Mac type, but I'm not keen on Vista on a number of levels and so I may well end up switching to OSX when REAPER is ready - I think I would miss the flexibility of Windows though.

I know it's early days in the Linux discussion but I'm hoping one of the end goals is a straight-forward solution for setting a Linux REAPER DAW.

[pipelineaudio]

so will this work on 64 studio?

Is it possible to easily go between drives? Last time I tried linux, you had to do this mount/unmount dancing stuff

[EnzymeX]

While I wouldn't quite have used Tallismann's words, I can't imagine Linux is going to endear itself to many average-tech-ability music types who'd like a non-Windows REAPER DAW with great perfomance and minimum tweaking - *until* a particular distro becomes the recommended choice and there's a default way of setting it all up.

I'm used to tweaking Windows - 'cos you have to be! One of the benefits I'd want in moving anywhere else would be to avoid all the necessary XP-style switching off of crap to get things working well - but the flexibility to tweak as/when as I get more used to the OS.

Linux-heads always tell me that's the beauty - only put in what you want. But for now we're obviously still a fair way from being able to download an O/S package & a REAPER install and get going quickly without a steep learning curve!

I never thought of myself as a Mac type, but I'm not keen on Vista on a number of levels and so I may well end up switching to OSX when REAPER is ready - I think I would miss the flexibility of Windows though.

I know it's early days in the Linux discussion but I'm hoping one of the end goals is a straight-forward solution for setting a Linux REAPER DAW.

That pretty much sums it up for me. It's great to see advances in VST support that may make Reaper Linux support less of an issue in the future.

[funkster1]

metasymbol, theres some discussion in reaper chat, about what exactly people are meaning when they say vst plugs can often be used in linux now. What do we need to pull that off?

If you get bored ever it would be cool to see you on there
Pipe, what is the channel name for the chat?
#Reaper@freenode?

Raphael ;)

[pipelineaudio]

#reaper on cockos' irc server

[funkster1]

OK, thanks.
Will be logging in shortly, maybe you guys are able to help me out with some quirks ;)

Raphael

[Amberience]

Linux will never be the OS of choice for musicians as long as you have to install or compile things for yourself, and as long as it isn't intuitive.

That's why Windows and OSX have a stranglehold on the situation. It isn't because their the most popular, its because their the most organised and easy to setup.

Linux has:

stacks and stacks of different distributions
stacks and stacks of additions, modules, and things you can "plug" into the kernel.
a lack of software for musicians to just plug in and play.

Once those three things are taken care of, Linux stands a chance. I don't think it'll be anytime within the next three or four years though. I could be wrong, I dunno, just my take.

[pipelineaudio]

Metasymbol, which distro should I run? I have a dual opteron system and dont know JACK aboutlinux (or jack)

[woodslanding]

Linux will never be the OS of choice for musicians as long as you have to install or compile things for yourself, and as long as it isn't intuitive.

That's why Windows and OSX have a stranglehold on the situation. It isn't because their the most popular, its because their the most organised and easy to setup.

Linux has:

stacks and stacks of different distributions
stacks and stacks of additions, modules, and things you can "plug" into the kernel.
a lack of software for musicians to just plug in and play.

Once those three things are taken care of, Linux stands a chance. I don't think it'll be anytime within the next three or four years though. I could be wrong, I dunno, just my take.



Maybe all it takes is somebody to put out a streaming-optimized, latency minimizing linux install that includes VSTi and ASIO support.... I dual-boot windows, as I think most serious musicians must, so booting into Linux for music is fine by me. And then if I could eventually get internet and email working under Linux, I could get rid of MS entirely....

Which I'd love to do, especially as I have a very bad feeling about Vista. I've tried a number of Linux installs over the years, but the lack of compatibility with standards and my existing VSTi's has made it impossible to use it for music. And little glitches (around hibernation especially) have kept me from using it for internet and general use.

But windows really is a mess. It's working (mostly) but it's a mess.

Does ASIOWine allow any PC VST host to (theoretically) run under Linux, and existing DLLs for plug-ins as well? Am I understanding this correctly? I use Plogue Bidule running Reaktor and Kontakt as the core of my system. Oooh, I'll bet that NI copy-protection won't work, will it? But then, I'm hoping to migrate away from NI in the next year or two anyway....

I'll go read up on this I guess. What an interesting thread!

cheers,
e

[metasymbol]

Metasymbol, which distro should I run? I have a dual opteron system and dont know JACK aboutlinux (or jack)

Hmmm, maybe FrickelLinux 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1 very early very unstable pre-alpha preview? ;) How should I know?

[metasymbol]

Oooh, I'll bet that NI copy-protection won't work, will it? But then, I'm hoping to migrate away from NI in the next year or two anyway....


The NI copy-protection is not the biggest problem (it is software based), more hardware dongles can be very problematic.
So better stay with NI, they make really good software. ;)

[funkster1]

Metasymbol, which distro should I run? I have a dual opteron system and dont know JACK aboutlinux (or jack)
Pipe, the 64-Studio distro is really quite good and above all, is very well tested.
It already has native 64-bit support and the next release (which should not be far off) will see the inclusion of multiprocessor support.
Also, their mailing list, even though not too busy at times, has a bunch of really nice people, not the kind of arrogant ubergeeks you often come across in many lists/fora.

And if I did manage to find my way throught the distro and it's apps, anyone can do. And you're way more technically apt then I am, I suppose (well, actually I'm sure :))


Raphael ;)

[metasymbol]

Linux will never be the OS of choice for musicians as long as you have to install or compile things for yourself, and as long as it isn't intuitive.

That's why Windows and OSX have a stranglehold on the situation. It isn't because their the most popular, its because their the most organised and easy to setup.

Linux has:

stacks and stacks of different distributions
stacks and stacks of additions, modules, and things you can "plug" into the kernel.
a lack of software for musicians to just plug in and play.


I agree with you in many points. The main reason why linux lacks creative enduser oriented software is, that commercial audio vendors dosn't support Linux. But energyXT2 and Reaper with WineAsio on Linux will work as an invitation for them.

Once those three things are taken care of, Linux stands a chance. I don't think it'll be anytime within the next three or four years though. I could be wrong, I dunno, just my take.

I'm more optimistic, I must be, because thats my mission ;) whats been happening in the last few months with audiolinux is amazing.

I hope this year one of the great ones (like NI) will take more than a look to linux.

[funkster1]

Hmmm, maybe FrickelLinux 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.1 very early very unstable pre-alpha preview? ;) How should I know?
You see mate, that's not the kind of answer I'd expect from an 'expert' towards a newbie.
No wonder the linux geeks have the reputation they do (i.e. cold, harsh, arrogant, not really willing to help a newbie etc.).

Schade, wirklich schade.

Raphael

[metasymbol]

You see mate, that's not the kind of answer I'd expect from an 'expert' towards a newbie.
No wonder the linux geeks have the reputation they do (i.e. cold, harsh, arrogant, not really willing to help a newbie etc.).

Schade, wirklich schade.

Raphael
OMG what have I done! this was a !joke! I've made when pipelineaudio was in our project chat irc.freenode.net #jacklab talking with everybody incl. me about audio linux...

[funkster1]

I'm sorry if I misunderstood things then and profoundly apologize.
But these things (jokes off forum) are not visible here.

Mea culpa

Raphael

[pipelineaudio]

We need some step by steps to start testing this

[woodslanding]

The NI copy-protection is not the biggest problem (it is software based), more hardware dongles can be very problematic.
So better stay with NI, they make really good software. ;)

OH NO! NO more dongles!!!! I am free now, and never going back!!!

Heck, if wine can handle NI it's sounding like time to hazard another linux installation. Next time I have a month or so I don't know what to do with.

Maybe november ;)

[woodslanding]

Anybody tried Bidule under linux?

Oops, guess I'm wandering OT....

[charles.monteiro]

i will give you one: windows is made by microsoft. are you proud, using something made by MS? I am not! The only thing, that keeps MSWindos on my PC, is the reaper. And this is dependence, i don`t want to be dependent.

Frankly, I could care less who makes it. At this stage of the game Windows is a defacto practical choice i.e. given what I want to do with music.

The focus is music not what OS I use.

[caleb]

I ran Ubuntu for a while to see if I could tolerate the OS itself for general purpose.

I could never get Jack to work - or indeed nearly any music application available for Linux.

For a general-purpose I found it OK, but not up to the standard of the Windows OS.

I could not understand how to work with Wine to run Windows applications on Linux.

I didn't find documentation and help available to be that helpful. The advice sounded like it was given to a developer not an ordinary user.

I've deleted Ubuntu now because I needed the drive space back again. I may create a small partition in my next purchase (possible a laptop) to play further with Linux here and there and maybe one day I'll swap. I'm happy to dual-boot for non-music specialist applications and I'm happy to lose Word altogether to be honest. But all my music software plays nicely on Linux or it's no dice. :)

Regards
Caleb

[metasymbol]

Anybody tried Bidule under linux?

Oops, guess I'm wandering OT....

Hehe, I also have a license of Plogue Bidule and will test it later with wineasio - but my report goes to the PB forum ;)

[scum]

I ran Ubuntu for a while to see if I could tolerate the OS itself for general purpose.

I could never get Jack to work - or indeed nearly any music application available for Linux.


Regards
Caleb

well, i had the same experiences with ubuntu:) but i think, you can get jack to work with enabling "audio" in created by you user profile.

so, i`m triyng linux distributions since 2002. All of the popular and most of unpopular. Till christmass 2006. Then i installed for the first time PCLinuxOS. I`m using this great distro now, because:
-it`s easy, it`s made with windows-user-feeling
-it have great support and community, something like here
-it`s fucking fast!
-it`s live-cd, but you can install it - on my pc installation takes 7 minutes!!
-it have the all linux audio software, packaged by the developer, mr.Texstar, and mr.Thac, famous with his mandriva multimedia packages. And audio software works. All packages works. And are click away from installation. The latest software is available, too.
-It have Flash and Java out of the box. All codecs and drivers are click-away.
-All the hardware just works
-If you want something to be improved or added, you just have to request it/as here;]
-they don`t hate the windows users, and they aren`t in a sect!
-when you install pclinuxos, you can tweak it, install or remove software, add files, change the way it looks, and THEN make snapshot of your system, and make you own livecd, with all your settings and data - so IF they do this wine-asio thing, and it works, i will take my operating system, my vsts, my reaper and my projects on dvd in my pocket, and play them after 5 minutes on your pc, while browsing fucking porn.(well i can do the same right now, i have my live-dvd with my projects, reaper works with wine, but with terrible latency...)

So, PCLinuxOS website is up, take a look, now it`s testing time before final 2007 release, you can try the Test Release, or wait the final, but it worths! Cheers!

http://pclinuxos.com


ps:exuses for my bad english, i never write so much

[woodslanding]

Hehe, I also have a license of Plogue Bidule and will test it later with wineasio - but my report goes to the PB forum ;)

well, I thought of that, and asked over there too ;)

[metasymbol]

well, I thought of that, and asked over there too ;)

Hmmm, Plogue Bidule dosn't work with Wine :(

But yesterday I've made a test with the brandnew JAD alpha 3 release, Reaper and ALL Native Instruments - http://forum.jacklab.net/viewtopic.php?t=455

[scum]

cheers! downloading alpha3, thanks.

[scum]

well, alpha3 gave me some problems while isntalling, but anyway, today i saw wine-asio added to the pclinuxos repos, now i`ll give this a try!

edit: and YES, it works great! 10ms latency without any patched-audio-realtime-kernels, and it`s even recording well!
cheers and thanks.

[cAPSLOCK]

I like gentoo, though it is a pita to make and might not be the best choice for this project/purpose... Most CERTAINLY NOT the linux for even the SEASONED noob. But I sure like it.. so fast on my slow laptop.

[Petersko]

Funkster 1 said: I'd be really interested in running Reaper under Linux, as I can't make it run smoothly under WinXP Pro. Crackles all over the place etc., while in Linux I NEVER EVER had ANY crackles with ANY audio app, even when really maxing out CPU/Memory.</i><br><br>

I'm curious. What hardware are you running?

[roman]

That is great news. For a while it looked like Jacklab was almost dead. Glad to hear it's alive and kicking.
I wish I had any free time at the moment. I'm still running reaper with the oss driver.

And everybody who just came in here to bash linux... relax. It doesn't work for you... too bad. Move along. Nothing to see for you here.

Here's a really nice and straight forward how-to run it in ubuntu:

http://www.davehayes.org/2007/04/27/howto-reaper-on-ubuntu-linux-with-wineasio/

[MikeLacey]

I'm really not a Linux basher. Quite the opposite.

I much prefer *nix based OS's over anything else as most of my time as a developer, sysadmin and consultant (in previous lives) was spent working with various versions of Unix and Linux.

I can see that the challenge of getting REAPER to work well with Wine is a good one and great fun and, believe me, if there was a native Linux version of REAPER I wouldn't have Windows on my DAW pc.

But... REAPER's a Windows program, it's REAPER I like, not Windows. I don't yet see the compelling reason to slow REAPER's performance...

My (not very well) hidden agenda is that I really like REAPER, I really like Linux and I really don't like Windows. Ideal world would be that running REAPER on Linux gives me major advantages (performance and functionality advantages) over running it on Windows. Help me out here :-)

[metasymbol]

I if there was a native Linux version of REAPER I wouldn't have Windows on my DAW pc.

But... REAPER's a Windows program, it's REAPER I like, not Windows. I don't yet see the compelling reason to slow REAPER's performance...


Hi Mike

REAPER with wineasio acts nearly like a native Linux app. The performance is really good, stable and usable in all day music production. Since wineasio I NEVER BOOT UP WINDOWS AGAIN. I only need my windows installation to copy some system32 -dll to my wine fake windows if a program need them. I've tested REAPER/wineasio with all NI plugins, some FXpansion plugs and a lot of freeware plugins. It ROCKS in most cases. REAPER with WINEASIO works much better then Rosegarden and MusE (native Linux sequencers with vst wrapper support)

I'm really happy with REAPER in this (not a) emulation - A native Linux version means, that a lot of VST plugs not usable. Native Linux VST is much too young, there a now around 100 plugs, but the "big ones" have no motivation to port them.

CU!
Micha

[MikeLacey]

Hi Micha,

Hmmmm

What do you reckon to performance and the PC I'd need to run WineASIO and REAPER? Would you say the standard REAPER minimum specs will do? What interface(s) are you using?

I like what you say about stability...

[metasymbol]

Hi Micha,

Hmmmm

What do you reckon to performance and the PC I'd need to run WineASIO and REAPER? Would you say the standard REAPER minimum specs will do? What interface(s) are you using?

I like what you say about stability...

I have tested on a Notebook with P4, 1,6Ghz, 1GB Ram and on a DAW with AMD64 1,8Ghz 2GB Ram. Dave also made some experiences on an AMD 800Mhz, read here: http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000216

I use JAD 1.0 alpha3 (and my dev system which is an unreleased beta2) with the default e17 windowmanger -slim, fast and beautiful.

The best support for wineasio you will get in forum.jacklab.net, since one of the devs is a jacklab member.

[MikeLacey]

Ok, thank you.

[roman]

I have to agree that reaper runs very well with wineasio. There is definitely a performance hit to running it on windows. You might get around that by using something like fluxbox. JAD runs on enlightment. I don't care for the performence hit, because I don't mix on linux, so I don't leave gnome (or beryl for that matter) for reaper.

Have you got a workaround for the disappearing gui? I have to minimize/maximize pretty often to force a redraw. I figure this should be fixable.

I didn't get into vst on linux. All I do at home is sorting out takes, arranging routing and coloring - on windows or linux, so I don't mind.

[MikeLacey]

I don't think this is for me at the moment, much as I'd like it to be. Something tells me I'd spend most of my time wondering why *this* bit doesn't work and do I have the correct kernel with al the patches? Shame.

[scottdru]

and I'm happy to lose Word altogether to be honest.

I've been using Open Office for quite a while now, and I really like it! :) Whodaphuc needs M$ Office? ;)

[musicReaper]

Could someone tell me if "Altiverb 6" will work with the linux VST support?

[m00man]

I like gentoo, though it is a pita to make and might not be the best choice for this project/purpose... Most CERTAINLY NOT the linux for even the SEASONED noob. But I sure like it.. so fast on my slow laptop.
http://proaudio.tuxfamily.org/wiki - Gentoo -> DAW ;)

[tweed]

UPDATED NOTE: downloaded jacklab.net beta2 burnt DVD [not the live one] Threw DVD in 2.4 P4 PC installed default. Did a few things I read about here [incl. links found here] and Reaper runs great... ]

Yeah, I'm WAY ready for the LINUX assention:

Right now I'm at the point where I understand my XP to the point where I've begun to really dislike it... [LONG post that would be... I mean it's fine, just the future looks grim]

short Version is: I'm really enjoying what i'm learning about Linux and ... the jacklab.net beta2 release will get me WAY over the hill I'm sure...

Then at some point Justin will release a native Linux version and now I'd like to know if with a native Linux REAPER we can still use the wineasio PC VST magic with it...


after so many years of dedication to all the different platforms... I Gotta love what Linux IS and CAN be....

best wishes to all

[metasymbol]

Have you got a workaround for the disappearing gui? I have to minimize/maximize pretty often to force a redraw. I figure this should be fixable.


Yes, open

winecfg
-> Tab "Graphic"
-> checkbox "emulate a virtual screen"
-> insert your fullscreen resolution (eg 1024 X 768)

With this desktop emulation (change the color of the vdesk with Tab "Desktop integration"-but no wallpaper possible for now) you have a graphical layer, which works 100% like a very slim windows desktop (but without explorer shell - taskbar, startbutton etc).
Thats the best way to run Windows apps, eg FL Studio working with this preferences. Otherwise often the dialog windows disappear behind the main window and this made the app unaccessible.

If you start a 2. wine app (anyone tried "rebirth" as rewire app?), it will appear on this vdesk. If you hold the "alt" key, you can move the vdesk with the mouse, that it fits to the size of the original desktop.

PS: And always use the latest wine version (I have wine-0.9.41)
since wine wine-0.9.37 the alsa midi patches from Ralf Beck/JackLab are integrated in wine. And I made the observation, that the REAPER running more and more better, also without vdesk, no need to redraw the gui by minimizing the app anymore. It is really amazing, feels like a native Linux app now.

PPS omg - I just started REAPER and another Udpate alert, Ver 1.8 - Justin is so industriously ;) - hmmm I need a script making this updates automagic ;)

[tweed]

nice one metasymbol !!! thanks
and I totally agree... seems like a native Linux app... I am SO into Linux now... imagine a totally tweaked kernel.. lovin' it. under 1 ms latency is what I hear about out there from a couple of gurus. can't recall where at the moment.

[SEA]

UPDATED NOTE: downloaded jacklab.net beta2 burnt DVD [not the live one] Threw DVD in 2.4 P4 PC installed default. Did a few things I read about here [incl. links found here] and Reaper runs great... ]

Yeah, I'm WAY ready for the LINUX assention:

Right now I'm at the point where I understand my XP to the point where I've begun to really dislike it... [LONG post that would be... I mean it's fine, just the future looks grim]

short Version is: I'm really enjoying what i'm learning about Linux and ... the jacklab.net beta2 release will get me WAY over the hill I'm sure...

Then at some point Justin will release a native Linux version and now I'd like to know if with a native Linux REAPER we can still use the wineasio PC VST magic with it...


after so many years of dedication to all the different platforms... I Gotta love what Linux IS and CAN be....

best wishes to all

Hey tweed!

What about drivers for the interface? What will you be using?

Best,
Jamie

[tweed]

eek Jamie.... just found this... get back to yaz.. been a couple of weeks since I've had any Deep LINUX Rub. [I've now subscribed 'again?' to this great thread] havin' a think... though I can say I STUMBLED for many study and trial sessions and did get REAPER - Wine-Jack etc etc rockin. sort of a crash course in my usual way..
Now it's 3 weeks later.... have to have a recall session...

it IS SO important to get into Linux [Debian/Ubuntu/Kubuntu or openSUSE to start I'd say... With Slackware and Gentoo being the more esoteric yet groovy options] In MY opinion of course and Off Topic.. LINUX can be optimized right down to the kernel and really would be a cool way forward for music in general [stating the obvious again, that's me!]

rushin' here.. hope I'm not a while getting a brain to respond.. it was lal kind typically me and nutty , the learning I did.. not sure I even recall except at the, I COULD do it again slowly level.... and WILL of course... know thy OS for sure...

sorry for ramble!

zooooooM

[scum]

installing wine asio in ubuntu:
tar zxvf wineasio-0.1.tar.gz
unzip asiosdk2.2.zip
cd wineasio-0.1
cp ../ASIOSDK2/common/asio.h .
...never did that, and never will do.

installing on pclinuxos:

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/161/snapshot8ch8.th.png (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot8ch8.png)

i like it easy.

[tweed]

Yeah, I went the long way which gave the usual amount of luck for long hours. Though at this point I don't have time at ALL to detail or..uh, remember enough to tell .. hope to at some point.... you know when you can fumble it together though can exactly say how! anyways wineasio is at a later version .03 ????

and the midi patch is now bundled into wine I think..

jacklab.net forum.. there a 6 or so page thread with a LOTTA stuff about reaper et. al.


best2all

[mrjwalsh]

I like that theres a thread for this stuff, I'm in the process of writing documentation from scratch. I use to be a heavy Linux user but left cause of audio and gaming; now I have a laptop and only use it for audio.

I'm writing through the process of installing Linux and then to the pro audio side with getting Reaper and VST's running. I'm doing this cause theres barely any documentation out there for something that is totally feasible these days; I'll let you guys know how it's going in a few weeks.

Btw, I'm using Arch linux with a modified kernel, Arch unlike the larger distro's like Ubuntu, SuSE, PC Linux OS is installed with just BASE system software installed, then you build on top of it; I 've tried the above distros and there a bit simpler but they also have way too many procedures installed and running in the background that don't need to be. I'm trying to build the slimmest OS I can so all the CPU can be used for Audio work.

Anyways; I'll be back.

[tweed]

Very interested in the tightest kernel etc. Even though I'm still stumbling with Linux I managed to do all I wanted to do some weeks back, and am now back to other things [READ: madly busy] while expecting more wine/wineasio etc etc etc breakthroughs sooner than later..

arch linux? I could do ubuntu, just seemed that pure debian would be for me... I'll look into arch... If it uses debian packages that would be cool.. good luck on the trimming!

[mrjwalsh]

yeh thanks, have a look into Arch, it took me a while to find, after being a distro slut for years; I don't know anyone who has left Arch after coming on board; great forum, huge number of packages, the best package management system, the list goes on.

For now I'll leave you with some info pull out of the Arch Wiki...

Arch vs Ubuntu:
Arch has a simpler foundation than Ubuntu. If you like to compile your own kernels, try out bleeding-edge CVS-only projects, or build a program from source every once in a while, Arch is better suited. If you want to get up and running quickly and not fiddle around with the guts of the system, Ubuntu is better suited. In general, developers and tinkerers will probably like Arch better than Ubuntu.

Arch vs Debian:
Arch has a simpler design than Debian. Arch has fewer packages. Arch provides better support for building your own packages than Debian does. Arch is more lenient when it comes to 'non-free' packages as defined by GNU. Arch is i686-optimized. Debian's design approach focuses more on stability and stringent testing. Arch packages are more bleeding-edge than Debian Stable/Testing packages. Both have excellent package management systems. Arch is a rolling release, whereas Debian Stable is released with "frozen" packages.

...KISS (Keep It Simple, ...) is the basis of Arch development. A fundamental elegant design yields the most effective, configurable and efficient system.

Go Linux and Reaper!

[tweed]

Nice. So Arch uses debian packages... and can use synaptic?

[mrjwalsh]

no it uses it's own packages and a program called pacman. Arch packages can be easliy built by anyone though as all they are are the source file and two additional files that modify the installation process.

Pacman allows single command update of the machine and Arch is a rolling release distro; that is you never need to reinstall a new version, once a new kernel and packages come out of the testing repo you can update your distro to a new version; it's a really simple and clever way to do it. The only downside is that you'll need a good internet connection as things are always being updated; but you can always just wait like 3 months before running an update; why update when things are good and stable?\

There are tons of packages and any obscure ones will probably be in the community package repo where users maintain and build their own and share to the public.

Also because the distro initially only installs the base components (about 50 packages to get the machine running) you can add any frontend you want. Gnome? KDE? E17? Openbox? etc etc.
It just means that you control distro bloat and because your adding things to it you'll know exactly whats running in the background. When I use to run SuSE a 'base' install would have about 200 processes running in the background that I didn't even need; this ain't Windows! ;)

Anyways hope I've shed some light.

[tweed]

thank you! certainly did... and I'll be checking it out later 2 nite... when the usual madness subsides.

[tweed]

I'll be looking to see if it's way smaller than a deb standard install. have to say i really like deb.

[mrjwalsh]

well i had a look on the debian site and found:
debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso 139MB

which I assume is the equivalent to Arch base/net install:
Archlinux-i686-2007.08.1-Don't-Panic-Base.iso 145MB

ooo close.
But seriously debian is probably the most stable distro ever made and so I'm sure it would be hard to leave it.

In comparison, Debian is better for stability, but when I say that in relation, Windows is a 3 out of 10, SuSE/Ubuntu etc 6 out of 10, Arch 8 out of 10 and Debian 9 out of 10.
Speed wise no one has really tested but people say there pretty much exactly the same.
Some more things I love about Arch are that it's quite a bit easier to setup than Debian, it's not n00b friendly but takes alot less work; also ALL the packages are i686 optimised, so you can't use an ancient machine but compiling and what not is super fast.

Anyways Linux is and has always been about choice, if you don't like Arch don't use it, however it makes an excellent test bed for my tutorial audio installation because I can tweak and explain everything from scratch and hopefully turn a few people to the ways of the Linux once I'm done.

[tweed]

The netinst still downloads a ton of stuff to create a standard install as I believe and think I have experienced... becomes either 600 meg-ish or 900 can't recall. if the 145 of arch's base install is all it needs [plus some for expanding out] that's pretty cool...

big thanks for the pointing out of arch...! sees like a very cool community...

[StudioDave]

I'm doing this cause theres barely any documentation out there for something that is totally feasible these days; I'll let you guys know how it's going in a few weeks.


Just so you don't waste time reinventing the wheel:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/blog/800764

http://ladspavst.linuxaudio.org/

[StudioDave]

hehe, thats the way of life. Ralf, the dev of wineasio also made the full featured jackdriver (and midiout plugin) for eXT2 Linux.
...
And Reaper was not his main goal for starting the wineasio, he wanted to work with the NordModular G2 demo ;)

Just to be clear: The wineasio project was begun by Robert Reif. I did some testing for him when he wrote it. Ralf's additions and maintenance are most welcome, but he didn't start the project.

[BoxOfSnoo]

I'll be looking to see if it's way smaller than a deb standard install. have to say i really like deb.

Does Ian know about this? :)

I'm all about Debian. I've tried Slack, SuSE, Mand*, Fedora, Red Hat, *Ubuntu, Gentoo, and a few other minor ones. I've had far and away the best success with Debian. I went from Slink all the way up to Woody through dist-upgrades (i.e. no reinstall). Then my machine died and it was time to start again anyway.

Of course, I liked Slackware very much way back in the day. apt won me over.

[scum]

PCLinuxOS. Wait till new "minime" appears. Just check it.

[mrjwalsh]

thanks Dave, am I to assume correctly that you are one and the same? I think I've read most of these before but I'll definitely give em a read again.
I really want to streamline everything into as little documentation as possible. If only for myself, so I can do it again sometime and have it all working in under an hour.

[AndersM]

Hey there!

I use ubuntu for websurfing ect. and have been experimenting with Reaper in Wine lately. Unfortunately I can't loose the windows partition because of the lack of linux drivers for my TC Konnekt24D soundcard. I just use the internal soundcard.
I have most plugins working and my Korg PadKontrol which is cool. I didn't expect usb midi to work...
So I have enough up and running to eg. program drums with the Korg and DFHS, but I have some strange problems with Wine/Compiz.
I run Compiz Fusion and thought it would be cool to have different windows on different sides of the cube. Main window on one, mixer on the other and so on.
The problem is that sometimes when I return to the main window it is gone, and I have to kill the proccess in system monitor. The GUI doesn't update when the window isn't in focus either. E.g. if I'm on the main window and spin the cube to the mixer, the meters doesn't work until I let go of the mouse. The GUI has to redraw and I get a cpu spike...

Anyone have a clue? Probably related to wine or compiz.

Thanks ;)

[BoxOfSnoo]

Wine probably doesn't recognize that you can have a monitor that extensive. If it viewed it as a separate monitor, maybe.

I would say turn off you Compiz stuff when running audio apps though, save the CPU cycles for the audio tasks.

Does it work with regular (Gnome/KDE) multi-desktops?

[w00t]

this is great. jorgen from energyXT will be very displeased to hear that maybe all his efforts to port energyxt to linux was a waste of time.


i dont think so....native linux is a different beast, and imo will end up supporting not just native (linux) vst, but all the OTHER linux formats (ladspa et all)...

not to mention that there is a "jack-enabled" engine that can let the "win" eXT wire into the "lin" xt2, or any other jack supported thing-a-majig which includes reaper running with wineasio :)


but yeah....im an eXT nut, yes (and falling hard for reaper as well)


i use both in wineasio, and both seem to work well, but...tbh i think as far as pure comparing native windows performance to wineasio, i would say XT2 takes less of a hit than reaper does, but its very minimal if you have the right setup.


i'll take linux audio any way i can



wow this is an old thread....so maybe im a bit late to reaper (started using only with V2) but am very active in wineasio so i would like to give some input here and there :)

[scum]

btw "luna" works too

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/772/lunaua9.th.png (http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lunaua9.png)

[w00t]

didnt know luna worked! ive gotten traction 2 and 3 to load (very glitchy, unuasable imho, more wine hacking is needed), but cantabile light is a good one to use too. great as a "minihost" you can route the audio out of etc...

[pipelineaudio]

Hey guys, Im not sure who to ask, and hopefully someone could point me in the right direction, but is there ANY chance someone could port wineasio to the BeOS version called "Zeta"?

[shane]

Got up and running on Ubuntu Gutsy in about 5 minutes. Seems to work great based on a quick 10 minute test. A few UI glitches, but the audio and VSTs that I tried worked perfectly. Nice job. Now if only the MOTU would work...

[rotylee]

Got up and running on Ubuntu Gutsy in about 5 minutes. Seems to work great based on a quick 10 minute test. A few UI glitches, but the audio and VSTs that I tried worked perfectly. Nice job. Now if only the MOTU would work...

was that 64 bit?

[shane]

was that 64 bit?

Nah, x86. But I've heard it's possible but imprefect with 64 bit here:

http://www.davehayes.org/2007/04/27/howto-reaper-on-ubuntu-linux-with-wineasio

Look at Dave's 10/5 comment...

[jimmer]

hey guys,

i found this thread by accident, but it was so interesting that i read the whole thing and now am REALLY excited about running my favorite audio app (Reaper) under a linux distro.

I've had very minimal experience with linux in the past (I tried to install many many distros, but couldnt manage any except Ubuntu, which i then used as a general use computer; OpenOffice, web browsing, listening to Cd's), but i would love to migrate my audio operation to linux...

however, i do not have a clue about which distro to use.
there were so many distros mentioned in the thread that my head started to spin, and i have no idea which to start on.
I would like something that can run reaper and this wineasio that seems so kickarse, but it also needs to be something that is really really simple. (dumb simple, especially installation).

any suggestions?

(btw, i have two computers i could use... a P4 dell, or a core2 macbook using bootcamp)

[mrguitarmann]

This is the very news that has drawn me to Reaper, having moved from Cubase to Ardour, I find that this method would provide a more reliable VST host than wrapping each plugin seperately :)

I've just downloaded the exe, and if I get my head round it will be registering :)

Tom

[Annoying Twit]

Anybody tried Bidule under linux?

Oops, guess I'm wandering OT....

It complains that I don't have the appropriate fonts yet.

[Annoying Twit]

I have Reaper installed and working on my Fedora core 4 laptop. It seemed to work fine at home when I had only the standard onboard audio. At work I have a M-Audio fasttrack Pro. Usually this works reasonably for output. But I can't make Reaper play its output through the Fasttrack, it only comes out through the laptop speakers.

I have jackd -d alsa running, but under qjackctl (which I'm not used to using) I can't seem to find an a way of getting the audio to come out the fasttrack pro.

I've created whatever output plugs from the wine asio client I can, and created all input plugs, and connected everything to everything. But nothing comes through the USB Fasttrack Pro.

I only have "alsa" as output in winecfg, as recommended in documentation. The sound is clearly going through jack as if I kill jackd, sound stops.

The Fasttrack Pro is my standard alsa output device, and mplayer -ao alsa works fine.

Can anyone put me out of my misery?

[mrjwalsh]

hey guys,

i found this thread by accident, but it was so interesting that i read the whole thing and now am REALLY excited about running my favorite audio app (Reaper) under a linux distro.

I've had very minimal experience with linux in the past (I tried to install many many distros, but couldnt manage any except Ubuntu, which i then used as a general use computer; OpenOffice, web browsing, listening to Cd's), but i would love to migrate my audio operation to linux...

however, i do not have a clue about which distro to use.
there were so many distros mentioned in the thread that my head started to spin, and i have no idea which to start on.
I would like something that can run reaper and this wineasio that seems so kickarse, but it also needs to be something that is really really simple. (dumb simple, especially installation).

any suggestions?

(btw, i have two computers i could use... a P4 dell, or a core2 macbook using bootcamp)


To get started might I suggest Ubuntu Studio? It's a modded version of Ubuntu made for audio recording and media editing. It has the realtime kernel installed by default and it has a pretty nice interface. Another alternative would be the JAD distro. Which is based off SuSE I believe.

Not sure if both come with wine preinstalled but your going to have to install Reaper manually, its easy, lots of people have said how to. As for wineasio it might be hard to find this in a neat package as there are license restrictions permitting people to do this, same sort of problems with mp3's on Linux. However there are lots of tutorials online on how to install wineasio in Ubuntu Studio and JAD.

[S-N-S]

im downloading linuxmint 4,0 right now,im gonna check if reaper will work in it,and if its stable,because i wanted(when i get a new harddrive for my laptop)to make a dualboot system with vista for internet,photoshop and xp for audio producing,but if linux mint is stable and i can get it running with out big problems i might try that


one thing thats frightening(for me that is)is all the coding for when you need to install programs and stuff??

btw the linux partition will be used for audio only

btw will reaper in linux run as it does in windows,with all the new features??

[w00t]

I have guide up and running in the howto forum to take you from install of ubuntu desktop to using reaper with wineasio :) check it out if your curious

[S-N-S]

I have guide up and running in the howto forum to take you from install of ubuntu desktop to using reaper with wineasio :) check it out if your curious


but isent linuxmint 4,0 a different version than ubuntu or??do i install reaper the same way no matter what version of linux i use(linuxmint 4,0)

im a totally linux/coding newbie

[w00t]

so the guide will work with linux mint :) i really like linux mint for its out the box codec support and stuff...but only the xfce version, i do not like there special gnome menu thing....

[S-N-S]

so the guide will work with linux mint :) i really like linux mint for its out the box codec support and stuff...but only the xfce version, i do not like there special gnome menu thing....


its the main edition with the gnome thing i am downloading

whats the difference between those versions??

[w00t]

basically the desktop environment.


the main linux mint along with the main ubuntu, use gnome as the desktop environment and nautilus as the file manager. linux mint xfce edition, is like xubuntu, which is ubuntu using the xfce desktop and thunar file manager. The reason i personally like xfce is because you get all the good stuff of gnome but with less cpu usage and thunar is much much faster than nautilus for file management (you can navigate through the filesystem simply using mouse gestures, as a quick example) ...so fundamentally there is nothing different about the system, just some of its looks and features. you could always install xfce/thunar after the fact to compare. one of the great things about linux :)

[eternal]

If I install under wineasio, can I access my music directory from my windows partition inside the program ?

(some linux apps such as dj mixing programs wont allow this)

pls say it is so !!

thnx

[S-N-S]

so does this mean that in the main edition with the gnome thing,i need to use codes everytime i need to do something or??

i will only have reaper and the vst (that works in linux)installed on the linux partition,my sample library will be put on a 40gb external usb harddisk


another thing,if i choose to use linux,that part wont be having access to the internet(as i will use it purely for music)soo how do i keep it updated??drivers and other things??



basically the desktop environment.


the main linux mint along with the main ubuntu, use gnome as the desktop environment and nautilus as the file manager. linux mint xfce edition, is like xubuntu, which is ubuntu using the xfce desktop and thunar file manager. The reason i personally like xfce is because you get all the good stuff of gnome but with less cpu usage and thunar is much much faster than nautilus for file management (you can navigate through the filesystem simply using mouse gestures, as a quick example) ...so fundamentally there is nothing different about the system, just some of its looks and features. you could always install xfce/thunar after the fact to compare. one of the great things about linux :)

[Cybolic]

I'm not sure what you mean by "codes", but if you mean using the commandline, the no, you don't _have_ to use it, but it will make it easier to do some things.

Both XFCE and Gnome gives you access to the commandline/terminal, they really only differ (slighly) in looks and (a lot in) memory usage.

And yes, you can access your Windows partitions from both Linux and Reaper in Linux.

[Cybolic]

If I install under wineasio, can I access my music directory from my windows partition inside the program ?

(some linux apps such as dj mixing programs wont allow this)

pls say it is so !!

thnx

What programs won't allow you to do this?
I've never encountered a Linux program with a a similar restriction, so this sounds a little odd to me.

Remember, you can do a lot with symbolic links.

[eternal]

What programs won't allow you to do this?
I've never encountered a Linux program with a a similar restriction, so this sounds a little odd to me.

Remember, you can do a lot with symbolic links.


in Mixxx (seems like the only decent linux dj app) I cant, and would love a dj app that would.

thnx

[eternal]

symbolic links ?

[eternal]

currently the only reason I have windows installed is for Numark Cue. Only thing on it, network devices disabled. I own a maya44 usb and can only get 2 channels with it in ubuntu (need 4x4 for timecode vinyl function) and there really isn't many 4x4 interfaces for linux (firebox but apparently buggy as all hell)

sry to get off topic.

[Cybolic]

I've just installed and looked at Mixxx. It seems to me that you can just navigate to your Windows-partition and load the music files from there?

Symbolic links are a bit like shortcuts in Windows, except these are actual links and not just a text file.
You can use them for A LOT of things, one example could be to have a quick access to your Windows audio files in your home directory:
ln -s "/media/windows/Documents and Settings/User/My Audio" "$HOME/Windows Audio"

Of course you'll have to adjust the paths above to match your setup, but this is a great way to keep track of your files.

Note that this can be done easily by drag and drop as well, but the method differs slightly from Nautilus (Gnome) to Thunar (XFCE) to Konqueror (KDE) - but generally it involves holding down a modifier key (shift, alt, etc.) while dragging.

This is a handy tip for using Reaper as well, so I guess it's on topic ;)

[Alex Stone]

Cybolic, you got it. Particularly for Reaper.

It's worth remembering here the useability of Linux has come a long way, for those not so familiar with the terminal or command line.
In my case Ubuntustudio has been excellent, and once i got my head around a couple of commands, and the flexibility one has at compile time, it's not difficult for those seriously interested in making the switch.

There are quite a few programmes and packages out there which compliment Reaper directly, and the Reap in Wine is running as sweetly for me than it did in windows. A bit of effort and the returns (imho) are greater.

And i can assure anyone wanting to take the linux journey with Reaper, if i can do it, given my lingering fondness for writing on parchment, then the rest of you are in with a real chance.
Just take it one step at time. (I take loads of notes, and that seems to help.)

Alex.

:)

[S-N-S]

after having problems with the linuxmint 4,0(i downloadet yesterday)i found a linux cd i apparently had laying around,its ubuntu version 6,0,6 lts

i tried to run it as live-cd on restart(as i dont have my new harddisk yet)and it started up fine(abit slow)but i think thats because i ran it from the cd???

i didnt have time to test how it works,but i now know that when i have the time,i will test it to see if it works on my laptop.i will for sure have some more questions when the time comes,so i will probaly post them here

but for now it looks good

[daverich]

after having problems with the linuxmint 4,0(i downloadet yesterday)i found a linux cd i apparently had laying around,its ubuntu version 6,0,6 lts

i tried to run it as live-cd on restart(as i dont have my new harddisk yet)and it started up fine(abit slow)but i think thats because i ran it from the cd???

i didnt have time to test how it works,but i now know that when i have the time,i will test it to see if it works on my laptop.i will for sure have some more questions when the time comes,so i will probaly post them here

but for now it looks good

yeah you need to click the install icon on the live cd to get it on the hard drive.

Linux always runs slow from the cd.

Kind regards

Dave Rich

[S-N-S]

yes i am waiting for my new harddisk next month,was told that ubuntu version 6,0,6(thats the cd i found while cleaning)is a pretty old version,but it works well(at first glance,with no testing yet)is there a way i can update,or will that version be stable enough to use for audio??

[404NotFound]

It's always good to have an up-to-date system. You can update it easily via the update-manager, though it may take a long time downloading since you need 3 complete updates (6.06 -> 6.10 -> 7.04 -> 7.10).

Some questions to the fellow Linux Reaperists:
- Has anybody managed to get DX plugins working?
- Has anybody managed to get video import and playback working? Which formas/codecs do work?

[S-N-S]

i have downloadet the dyne version and linuxmint 4,0 i will see if i can get one of them working,or else i might trying updating the version i found on that cd

[S-N-S]

ive just tried running this as a live-cd,and now i cant wait to get my new harddrive for the laptop.

http://dynebolic.org/




its soo easy,and if you want to install it just drag n drop

and theres alot of usefull music software included,so cant wait to get it installed and start installing reaper and messing with this linux thing

only thing i can complain about(after my 5 minutes tour in this)is that under display settings it only supported 800x600 and im currently using 1280x800 is it a driver issue,or is that just the way it is??

i found out that i can boot in different display modes,but can someone help me what what to type in the dynebolic version

its 800x600 by default i would like it to atleast run in 1024x(cant remember)

what do i need to type exactly(SOLVED)

found out i should type VGA=0x318
but in default the keyboard is set to english,and i need it to be danish(before i can choose,how can i set that,everytime i start dynebolic(from live cd)it hasent saved the keyboard setting(danish)i made??

[eternal]

cybolic... thanks for tips

[S-N-S]

finally tried out linuxmint 4,0 today,and i must say it looks even easier to install than dynebolic(that im having some problems with)found a great tutorial on how to install linuxmint

but have one question

my linux partition wont have internet connection(as my modem doesent support linux)can i still install some of the programs in the packages manager in linuxmint??or is there a way i can download in vista and and move to a usb stick and install in linuxmint??

what version of wine/wineasio do i need and what version of reaper(is it just the windows version??)

[corazon]

finally tried out linuxmint 4,0 today,and i must say it looks even easier to install than dynebolic(that im having some problems with)found a great tutorial on how to install linuxmint

but have one question

my linux partition wont have internet connection(as my modem doesent support linux)can i still install some of the programs in the packages manager in linuxmint??or is there a way i can download in vista and and move to a usb stick and install in linuxmint??

what version of wine/wineasio do i need and what version of reaper(is it just the windows version??)

wineasio .3x or newer, wine 9.4x and matching wine-devel.4x and newer, and recent Reaper will do.

The root user can copy .deb files to /var/cache/apt/archives folder, which is where downloaded files would normally go, then the same root user issues this command:
apt-get install thisnewfile (not thisnewfile.deb) If that
doesn't work,
dpkg
can be used to install local .deb files in your /home/user ,from a cd/dvd or on any path:

dpkg -i /home/sns/mynewfile.deb (it needs the extension, unlike apt.
Be aware that you can install multiple files on one commandline, and often will have to, to meet dependancies, so finding dependancies at repostory websites where 'requires or 'provides' type of links may be is a big help. A new version of Qjackctl might require a new version of Qt For example, as a dependency. wine, wine-devel and wineasio are needed for vst usage, and you could install them all in one go. Put them in the same directory, and type

dpkg -i /home/sns/newfiles/wine-9.53.deb wine-devel-9.53.deb wineasio.deb

Then run:
wineprefixcreate and
regsvr32 wineasio.dll
and configure wine by running
winecfg
to get this working, choosing alsa in the audio area if you use midi/vsts

(note: root installs linux things, user installs windows things! for example
wine reaper2957-install.exe
is done as normal user to run that hyper-modern windows installer)

A successful command line install produces no feedback. dpkg --help or apt-get --help will list the options.

alien is a command to convert .rpm files from suse, redhat, fedora, mandriva, pclinuxos etc into usable .deb files.
alien --help has the easy options.
Check your package manager config files or menus to insure downloads are kept after installation, to save from fetching things a second time later.
good luck

[eternal]

half the time when i press play all i get a huge annoying, ear damaging noise that makes me throw my headphones off and scream. Anyone else get this??

[daverich]

half the time when i press play all i get a huge annoying, ear damaging noise that makes me throw my headphones off and scream. Anyone else get this??

make sure you have buffers set to 3 in Jack.

Kind regards

Dave Rich

[Burillo]

Reaper works fine with Ubuntu 7.10 with latest JACK, wine and wineasio. Most of plugins do work (didn't manage to load some ImageLine synths), but you can forget about plugins with hardware-based (dongle) copy protection, some of software protection don't seem to work too. Maybe i'll be banned for this, but this is the case where using cracked versions might be an option. In another thread someone said Waves stuff don't work (too expensive for me to check out).
I must say REAPER works pretty well when things come to editing.

BUT. When it comes to recording... Nowadays it's not uncommon that your audio interface might be supported, but my M-Audio FireWire Solo is pretty unstable. Almost impossoble to get STABLE low-latency extensive processing. I mean if i plug in my guitar and load up Guitar Rig - jack server will probably crash sooner or later. Didn't manage to set up MIDI as well.

Linux is becoming more and more compatible with Windows software, but right now it isn't the choice i would recommend to any professional or even serious amateur musician.

[mr. moon]

Anyone try this distro yet:

http://jacklab.net/jacklaborg/english/?Releases:JAD_1.0_final_release

...Looks intresting, VST support and all.

-mr moon

[Finnish]

Anyone try this distro yet:

http://jacklab.net/jacklaborg/english/?Releases:JAD_1.0_final_release

...Looks intresting, VST support and all.

-mr moon

This looks interesting!

[trey85stang]

Anyone having problems with the border w/ reaper 3.2? Ever since the last upgrade the border no longer works in gnome for me. I ahve to run it in a virtual wine desktop.

[Burillo]

Anyone having problems with the border w/ reaper 3.2? Ever since the last upgrade the border no longer works in gnome for me. I ahve to run it in a virtual wine desktop.

mine works fine with latest wine and kubuntu 7.10

[Jean]

I followed the guide, installed the last version 0.7x, but Reaper says 'there is a problem' when selecting wineasio.

Then after some trying I can't get any sound anymore, not from WDM kernel and neither from any other device.
I had reaper making sound, although with a lot of crackling and pops.

Linux sound issues are a jungle, sigh.

[trey85stang]

mine works fine with latest wine and kubuntu 7.10

sweet, looks like a wine issue in my configuration somewhere then. Thanks for replying.

I followed the guide, installed the last version 0.7x, but Reaper says 'there is a problem' when selecting wineasio.

Then after some trying I can't get any sound anymore, not from WDM kernel and neither from any other device.
I had reaper making sound, although with a lot of crackling and pops.

Linux sound issues are a jungle, sigh.

It can sometimes be a jungle... Start over from installing wineasio, registering the dll and then selecting it from the audio tab in winecfg.

If you still have problems post up a seperate thread with more detail about the hardware and distrobution you're useing.

[Jean]

It can sometimes be a jungle... Start over from installing wineasio, registering the dll and then selecting it from the audio tab in winecfg.

If you still have problems post up a seperate thread with more detail about the hardware and distrobution you're useing.

Will do. thanks.

[Burillo]

IIRC, wineasio uses jack. Have you tried starting jack server? the GUIT tool qjackctl can help with that...

[asharin]

I'm currently running Reaper under Crossover Games, seems to work nicely. I'm using the Directsound option though, not Asio (and wineasio) Will have a go at setting it up with Wineasio soon though :)

[Quentin Harley]

Yes, I believe it is in the title...
It is now possible without having to compile anything as well.

http://www.64studio.com

[Sheol]

Hi there,
I am running Reaper on Ubuntu 8.10 with wine 1.0.1 without problems so far. But since I have a second monitor (running with TwinView) there is some interesting misbehavior. Every time I click on the titlebar of a window (to move it somewhere else) the window gets immediately relocated about the width of a screen to the right. I am not sure if this was the case with previous reaper or Ubuntu versions (I rather believe that my old windowmanager kept everything in place, but right now I am using the normal Gnome desktop).

This is more of a f.y.i. than a real problem to me, but maybe there is some Reaper code responsible for this.

EDIT: Problem was, I did not specify a primary display in the TwinView config. So things got messed up. Now everything is fine :)

[corazon]

Just a little heads-up/thankyou, saying Reaper 3.05 is doing great in linux, noticeably faster, more stable, fewer quirks, more of the few plugins
that crashed now work, and even more beautiful to behold than before.

[Jack Winter]

Just to let everyone know that I've updated wineasio on http://sourceforge.net/projects/wineasio/

Changes are:

Fixed wrongly reported output latency.

Changed the SCHED_FIFO priority of the win32 callback thread.
* Call jack_client_real_time_priority() to get reccomended priority from JACK
* Removed hardcoded SCHED_FIFO priority of 86
* Set win32 callback thread to SCHED_FIFO, priority as requested by JACK

Added fork with call to qjackctl from ASIOControlPanel().

[Slaptop]

I am new to this section but I like the idea of Reaper not in Windows and as your discussion goes back almost three years I could see people have been hard at work on making it happen. But I'm like most out here in that I could only understand bits and pieces of many of these posts, I just don't speak the language of Linux, just barely able to understand a lot of things in the Reaper manual although I'm way ahead of where I started from.
I would jump into Linux with Reaper in a split second if I could. A bit of background on my current predicament.
Right now I am in Windows 7 purgatory/Hell because I bought a Firewire mixer, the Alesis Multimix 8 Firewire, that forced me to get a new faster computer, well the old one died so I had to anyway, and not knowing any better I got a real deal on a 64 bit one that of course came with Vista, Home premium, which sadly worked for everything but the mixer, which is how I ended up in W7 which is far worse, I don't like it's new forced limitations or that it does less than Vista did in some key areas at all. But it was the big fix suggestion I kept getting told. All I really needed was a working 64 bit driver, which will probably never happens since Alesis has now pulled the mixer, all the stores stopped selling it sometime last month, and their last letter said it could be another year before they get it working in Vista and far longer for W7 which will never happen now. And W7, which solves a lot of driver issues, I think they keep them all on hand, on a special server, at M$ because when I plug some things in it finds and installs the drivers for me, just does it all by itself within seconds, but only those officially listed, that have the official M$ blessing, which still isn't for everything. I learned yesterday that W7 uses/demands a totally different everything for Firewire drivers, I found the M$ white paper on how to write the new drivers and I could get that much out of it. But how hard could it be, drivers are not something brand new to the world.
I just wanted to break the two channel USB limitation. For now that means either buying an older 32 bit computer with XP Pro that is fast enough, 2.5 GHz minimum CPU which still limits RAM to 3 gigs or less, only a 64 bit sys can pass into 4 gigs or more territory, or a whole new Firewire something that has working drivers, the computer is the cheaper of the two options not that I can afford either one right now.
I did stumble across Ubuntu Studio yesterday, a friend of mine has been telling me for a long time how great Ubuntu is, I got the CD and ran it on my old Dell before it quit working and it looked great, I just had no clue what to do mostly because I don't understand Linux speak.
If I thought it would solve my problems, let me use the mixer, I'd willingly spend the time to learn. Do any of you know anything about it? Like does it really work? I don't want to give up Reaper, I've been slowly learning how to use parts of it since version 1.something, which I still have stored away so I don't lose it. I just want to push the button that turns everything on and have it work so I can make some music.
I'm open to anything if you have any ideas or suggestions.
thanks for your time.

[vocalfons]

I am a professional vocal coach. I use reaper in my singing lessons every day, 35 hours a week, in Linux Ubuntu.

It took me a while to figure it all out, but by switch from Microsoft is definitive. I willnever go back.

I have a very reliable and steady OS, and reaper works very stable as well, offering me all the goodies it already did in windows.

On the hardware side, I guess I was so lucky to have a RME Hammerfall, working out of the box. I have 16 in and outs.

For installing, you can use the linreaper script (which is discussed elsewhere in this forum), making it very easy to get up and going.

All my VST plugins moved with me, from windows to linux, but some of them wont work. the most inmportant ones do, so there are no issues ther.

Importing video on a track, is, however, impossible, and I am still figuring out how to do that. Editing video on Linux for me, by the way, was a nightmare.

So all and all, Linux works for me, and there are many people who can help you with your problems.

If there are driver for your mixer, I don't know.

Only that could be a dealbreaker.

[Mich]

Importing video on a track, is, however, impossible, and I am still figuring out how to do that.

Not sure, however, video in REAPER is done via direct show filters (if I remember correct), so you might need to install them on Linux as well ... or it might just not work at all.


Editing video on Linux for me, by the way, was a nightmare.


Kdenlive works for me.


If there are driver for your mixer, I don't know.

Only that could be a dealbreaker.

Yeah driver support is always bad on Linux (or any none mainstream OS for that matter). Though I think that is mostly because of the cheap companies not wanting drivers for those systems, after all the ALSA guys would even be willing to code drivers for free (if you provide the necessary documentation and a sample device and stuff) ... but many companies are quite frankly ignorant or stupid.

[Finnish]

Editing video on Linux for me, by the way, was a nightmare.
+1 on Kdenlive, it works really well nowadays.

I do my audio stuff in windows, but everything else, including video stuff, ubuntu.