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issueid=2623 06-15-2010 10:07 PM
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Global Synchronization / Actions Snap to a Musical Timebase (Live, Mobius Echoplex)
Global Quantize forces a function to wait for a designated point before executing. This is very useful for forcing functions to occur precisely in rhythm. When Quantize=off, all functions execute immediately.

Ableton Live, Mobius, Gibson Echoplex Plus, Roland Loop Station etc. all have this simple, but critical feature that Reaper is missing for live performance; rhythmic awareness. This is similar to the Start On Bar feature in the Media Explorer.

From the Gibson Echoplex Plus manual:
Quote:
Quantize defines whether certain functions are executed at the end of
the the current loop, current cycle, the current sub-cycle or
immediately.

Quantize forces a function to wait for a designated point before
executing. This is very useful for forcing functions to occur precisely in
rhythm. When Quantize=off, all functions execute immediately.
(the down/up arrows show where the record button is pressed, the white area where the recording starts and ends)


One huge benefit is that the musician can concentrate on the actual performance or creative process (whether that be with a traditional instrument, an effect or the DAW itself as the instrument) rather than trying to perfectly time every single (or multiple) action.

A popular misconception is that this is primarily a "DJ feature" but as the varied examples below show, this is not the case at all.

Live Performance Examples:
-Keller Williams Loop Jam from "Breathe" (multiple synced Echoplexes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=dMONzLf8VvA

-Imogen Heap - "Just For Now"
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=25VG...eature=related

-Battles (live)
Every member of the band uses a (synced) Gibson Echoplex Plus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvJS-Tm9Bm
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=awTd...eature=related


While an Ableton Live like Global Quantize feature built in to the transport would be the most accessible and intuitive implementation, actions to wait until the start of the next beat, bar or measure for the next action would allow much of the same functionality through custom actions, while being invisible to anyone who doesn't use it. Reaper already has actions for waiting a certain amount of time for the next action, but those aren't really useful in a musical context.

-Ableton Live: Global Quantization
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8fkWEKdlB4

-Ableton Live: Global Quantize & Draw Mode (automation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrrpvboKgag

-MobiusVST (circularlabs.com)



(how to temporarily override the quantize mode)
Quote:
If you use Quantize, you may find that sometimes you want to execute a
function Unquantized. You could do this by changing the Quantize
parameter to Off, executing your function, and then turning it back on
again, but that is hardly convenient or economical.
Instead, the Echoplex allows you an easy way to break free of the
Quantization when you choose to. Anytime you have pressed a function
and gone into the Quantizing Mode with “ooo” on the display, all you
have to do is press the same function again and it will execute
immediately. If you like, you can think of this as “double-clicking” the
function.
Additional Resources:
-Gibson Echoplex Plus manual (PAGE 74-76):
http://www.gibson.com/Files/Download...usManual12.pdf

-Roland Loop Station RC-50 manual (PAGE 28-30)
http://lib.roland.co.jp/manual/en/dl...4/RC-50_e9.pdf

-Mobius manual
http://www.circularlabs.com/mobiusdo...ync=MIDI%20Bar


Related Feature Requests:

-loop recording ideas
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=59194

-Global Quantize Setting
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=14995

-Quantized Transport Controls w/ Continuous Playback (live performance)

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=31689

-Actions: Wait Until Next beat/bar/measure/loop point for next action
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=57982

-Feature request: speedtrainer
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=59274

Wait until end of Measure/Item/Marker etc before Next Action
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?p=215364

ACTION: Wait X seconds" ....why by seconds and not by bar/measure?
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=24383

New idea: 'Action Markers'
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=63706

How do you get your musical inspiration back?
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...3&postcount=34
Issue Details
Issue Type Elevated FR
Project REAPER
Category Audio recording and playback
Status Popular Request
Priority 1 - Highest
Suggested Version 3.60
Implemented Version (none)
Users who would use this feature 190
Users who would not use this feature 6
Assigned Users (none)
Tags (none)

06-16-2010 03:41 AM
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07-04-2010 04:53 PM
Human being with feelings
 
A simple example:

The easiest way to wrap your head around this I think would be by playing with some loops in the Media Explorer which already has a similar feature:

Turn on stretch to fit and start on bar.
Isn't this awesome, inspiring, creative and fun?? :)

Now, turn off start on bar.
See how it's no longer awesome, creative and fun, but boring lame and useless? Everything is out of time and sounds like shit! :(

All this does is allow that same functionality to be used throughout the program in combination with Reapers existing actions. I need this so I can use Reaper live and compose songs in half the time with half the editing (as I did with Mobius), but who knows what other uses people will come up with...
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08-16-2010 08:47 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Sorry, I was going to vote Yes, but got distracted and don't know why I clicked on NO, is it possible to at least erase that vote? Thanks

Joćo
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08-16-2010 10:09 AM
Human being with feelings
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joaobgb
Sorry, I was going to vote Yes, but got distracted and don't know why I clicked on NO, is it possible to at least erase that vote? Thanks

Joćo
Don't worry :) We can't remove votes or add (it'd be like cheating hehe) but I'll leave this comment here so devs can notice it ;)
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10-09-2010 06:04 PM
Human being with feelings
 
Update:
SWS has been kind enough to add some useful action that relate to this feature request.

However there is a limitation in the timing accuracy, which it appears can only be rectified by native actions.

People should still vote for this, so it can get bumped to an elevated request before Reaper 4 is out the door. :)

http://www.standingwaterstudios.com/new.php
Issue 176: Add "SWS: Wait for bar/beat" actions for macros
Issue 176: Add "SWS: Wait for next loop end" action
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