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Old 06-01-2017, 06:39 PM   #241
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thanks for the consideration.

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Originally Posted by schwa View Post
1. The request only applies to FX parameter envelopes, right? For track parameters like volume/pan/etc the knob combines with the envelope, so you can already accomplish this just by leaving the underlying envelope at unity/center/etc.
it applies to all envelopes. the request is that at any point where there is envelope data at all, it would be contained inside an item. automation items are much easier to edit than envelope data. leaving the underlying envelope at unity/center still wrestles control away from any MIDI or osc controller you're using, too, unless you're actively recording envelope data.


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2. Is there any use case for this other than live playing?
yes. it allows us to not hand over control from the MIDI controller the second we enable the envelope. this is useful at every stage of the writing and editing process, as well as live performance.

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Specifically thinking about when seeking within the project, if FX parameter values need to be chased back to the previous automation item.
i wouldn't want it to chase anything unless there was actually envelope data under the play cursor -- and if there was, it'd be contained in an automation item. this would also apply to live playing. much like the way midi CCs don't chase if you record/play a curve from 127 to 0, and then seek to later in the project where the most recent CC was 127. you'd still be at 0 unless your play cursor actively went over the CC data with no chasing involved. i fully expect that many tracks will have AIs taking up the entire duration of the project length. others will not for reasons described above and below.

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you also don't get anything from the requested feature that you can't already accomplish by just leaving the underlying envelope alone, and using the existing setting to attach the underlying envelope to the right side of automation items.
you'd get the best of both worlds - recorded FX parameter automation playing the param back when there is an automation item under play cursor, and the ability to use your CCs to control the param when there is not automation data under the play cursor.
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