Old 04-10-2017, 07:57 PM   #241
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It's mostly a Schwa feature anyway so he's probably tucked away doing that now that AI is getting there etc. Also, Schwa did said a while a go (something like..) he is reworking it all based on user feedback etc so that it's more future proofed and just overall better UI wise etc so it is coming back and will most likely be worth the wait too hang in there!
Pretty much. Like my mama always said, you can get it fast or you get it right (mostly related to food, but a good overall lesson).

But modern daw users are an impatient bunch.
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Old 04-10-2017, 10:56 PM   #242
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So MIDI events (including CC) can be triggered by an articulation marking in notation, but are ephemeral.

Would it be a useful addition if there was a function to 'write articulation event to sequence as MIDI' or something so that the data could be humanized or otherwise tweaked?

Also was it working so that sequenced MIDI is removed from the sequence once it has been linked to an articulation? (I guess I could go back and check on that)

And finally, the one a few people have asked, will it be possible that live played MIDI will be converted to articulation markings on the fly? (where mappings exist)

To me that would be the basics of a complete system (assuming, and it was looking very good, that a full complement of parameters could be mapped).
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Old 04-11-2017, 12:59 AM   #243
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Would it be a useful addition if there was a function to 'write articulation event to sequence as MIDI' or something so that the data could be humanized or otherwise tweaked?
I think, best way is connect articulation and midi events / cc on both direction. With option to turn it on /off. That means, if option is turned on, and I have on notation pp with legato, velocity and note durations are set up by rules, when I change velocity for few notes in pianoroll from value 90 to 40 and change not-overlaping notes, under notation I get automaticly f > pp without legato (slur).
If legato is created with keyswitch, (as Tod wrote) I think the separate keyswtich lanes, or a split piano roll would be best for that.
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Old 04-11-2017, 08:03 AM   #244
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Besides keyswitches, libraries also use different channels, different CC values, and who knows what else.

I don't think this idea would work for the articulation mapper for two reasons.

1. As I noted, there are other MIDI events besides keyswitches that manipulate articulations. Having a separate lane for keyswitches, while nice, wouldn't give a complete picture.
I know , I use CC events a lot too in the intruments I make. But they can also become unwieldy, especially if you also have a lot of CC controllers.

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2. I think it better as done originally to have the mapping utility (whatever it ends up being) interpret the articulations into MIDI on the fly instead of inserting MIDI events into the actual MIDI item.
Okay, I've not seen what you're talking about, so I'm not sure what you mean.

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I think this is a great idea, but I think it shouldn't really have much to do with the articulation mapper.
Yeah, heh heh, I didn't intend for it to suffice as an articulation mapper.

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EDIT: To be fair, I liked the way the articulation mapping was represented in the CC lane originally.
I did a brief search, but couldn't find anything, do you know where that post is?
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Old 04-11-2017, 09:22 AM   #246
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Aah, okay, thanks ED. I think that's an okay idea, but based on what's there, I don't think it'll work very well because it only provides positioning.

Talking about positioning, with Reaper and Kontakt I've found that the keyswitches need to be at least 8 to 10ms before the target note. I don't know if that's because of Reaper, Kontakt, or both. Maybe it has to do with Kontakt's script processing time.

The reason I mention this, is because the gif in that post made it appear that the position of the notation events was the same as the target note. However, I assume the notation event would be automatically placed far enough ahead of the target note.
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Old 04-11-2017, 09:26 AM   #247
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I've never experienced a library delaying the impact of a keyswitch. I've had some libraries give conflicting results if the keyswitch and impacted note occur at the same midi tick, but I've never needed more than one midi tick to trigger a keyswitch. Best guess is that it's a library specific issue.
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Old 04-11-2017, 09:43 AM   #248
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I've never experienced a library delaying the impact of a keyswitch. I've had some libraries give conflicting results if the keyswitch and impacted note occur at the same midi tick, but I've never needed more than one midi tick to trigger a keyswitch. Best guess is that it's a library specific issue.
Yeah, it could be Kontakt, I've had the same thing happen with single CC events too. It might be the Kontakt scripting, I haven't checked it out with Kontakt's native keyswitches that don't use scripts, it would be interesting to see how they react.
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Never a problem here, and with Kontakt. KS a tick before the note is perfectly enough.
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Old 04-24-2017, 03:22 AM   #250
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Excuse my ignorance, but in what version on this Articulation Mapper is included?
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Old 04-24-2017, 06:49 AM   #251
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It was in a series of pre releases early this year. It was pulled until some of the basic elements could be sorted out. I hope it returns soon.
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Old 04-24-2017, 09:44 AM   #252
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Never a problem here, and with Kontakt. KS a tick before the note is perfectly enough.
Thanks ED, I have no clue why it happens here, it's happened with a couple of scripted instruments, as well as a muti-script.

It was the multi-script where I first actually measured to see how far I had to put both keyswitches and CCs. It was 10 to 16 tics.
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