Old 05-12-2017, 10:46 AM   #1
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Old 05-12-2017, 10:51 AM   #2
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Lyrics
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Quote:
1. A woman sets her house
Between tablecloths and silverware
And a gray and lazy cat
She dreams about about hearing a song
About everything she could be once

Ref:
Oh, sing my song
To trubadur, sing my song
Only I'll hear it once
Oh, sing my song

2. A girl she sits on her knees
Her father he has said
That everyone must pray
Therefore she prys as beautifully as she can
About a freer world some time

ref.

Instr.

3. A man he struggles and pulls
It is stew and sweat
On the job he has
But every morning when the sun rises
Does he remember a dream about something great

Ref

4. A woman she walks stiff
She is old
But remember her fresh youth
The time she could run and smile
But in a song she can still do so

ref.
Instr.2

5. The trubadure he sings and hums
While in words, sounds and tones
He lets the adventure happen
And then he drives the stars forward
So the dreams can come home

Instr3
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Old 05-12-2017, 11:02 AM   #3
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the link doesn't work
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Old 05-12-2017, 01:11 PM   #4
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the link doesn't work
Thanks for telling me!
Better now?
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Old 05-12-2017, 02:14 PM   #5
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The accordion should be panned more opposite to the guitar in the beginning or the 'pan balance' could be improved
The piano could be more 'more'? more prescence? not sure really.
Sorry for my confusing comments
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Old 05-12-2017, 03:23 PM   #6
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Hi Geir, I like it, it's a very cute folksy song.

My first impression is, that it's way to dry especially the Bandoneon, which I assume is some kind of an accordion? Maybe you want everything dry, I'm not sure, what are you going for with this song.

The percussion is rather steady, at one level, and kind of mundane, at least for me, and it seemed a little distracting.

I think the Bandoneon was performed quite nicely and needs to be out front, but it's kind of covering up other instruments. I think it's a matter of a little better mix.

I think I asked, but I'll ask again, what do you want this song to be. A folksy kind of camp fire song or a song to play on the radio, or maybe something else?
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Old 05-12-2017, 04:57 PM   #7
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I like your percussion ensemble, and the bandoneon is a nice touch.
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Old 05-12-2017, 11:46 PM   #8
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Great.

My personal impression: the Rhythm, melody and chords, the dry sound, the Bandoneon and the percussion that might be a Cajón creates a "live outside at the fire" impression. The piano is contradicting to that and comes in like a surprise. If you have the Midi notes how about trying to replace it by a Musette Accordion ?

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Thank you all for listening and your comments!
It's always very helpful for me.

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The accordion should be panned more opposite to the guitar in the beginning or the 'pan balance' could be improved
Yes, that's right. Need to find a pan-placement for all instrument though.

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Hi Geir, I like it, it's a very cute folksy song.
..
what are you going for with this song.
..
A folksy kind of camp fire song or a song to play on the radio, or maybe something else?
Thanks! Well, it has to be a little folky arrangement of course, mixing story-telling with something interesting musically. Radio, perhaps, yet it's not pop. Camp fire, could be

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The percussion is rather steady, at one level, and kind of mundane, at least for me, and it seemed a little distracting
I'm not sure to blame this on the drummer or the producer
I believe it's a little static right now. Muting parts in the mix and enhancing others will change the feel a little. It's not really arranged fully yet.

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I think the Bandoneon was performed quite nicely and needs to be out front, but it's kind of covering up other instruments. I think it's a matter of a little better mix.
Yes, ruff mix only yet. I'm not to found of the accompaniment-part of it, so it will be mixed a little low, for feel mostly.

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I like your percussion ensemble, and the bandoneon is a nice touch.
Thank you!

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My personal impression: the Rhythm, melody and chords, the dry sound, the Bandoneon and the percussion that might be a Cajón creates a "live outside at the fire" impression. The piano is contradicting to that and comes in like a surprise. If you have the Midi notes how about trying to replace it by a Musette Accordion ?
Thanks Michael! Yes, I get your idea, and agree that the piano sounds to modern/studio for that idea. It's midi, but I'm not sure another accordion is what I want.
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Here is the piano-track:
http://stash.reaper.fm/30715/Trubaduren_piano.RPP

If you have an idea for better piano-sound,
please give it a go.

Crappy piano, musetta.. whatever
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I don't have decent sound that might be suitable

I feel it should be a polyphonic velocity aware instruments that might be part of a comp fire session.

Maybe a Marimba, a Zither or a Glockenspiel ?

(Steel Pan would be the wrong cultural context )

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Just a thought Geir, but have you thought about brushes instead of rods?
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I vote for Cajón, Tambourine and maybe Bodhrán

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Just a thought Geir, but have you thought about brushes instead of rods?
Oh, the snare is sticks alternating between rim and regular for verse / chorus.
Rods are a small pattern on played on wood
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I vote for Cajón, Tambourine and maybe Bodhrán
That would be a good idea,
but unless there is some important retracing/rearranging to be made,
it's now more about taking the right steps with what I have.
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Ok, mix is near finished,
please have a listen and come with your comments:
https://clyp.it/54yultvl?token=94efe...8e491f3a18ed9b
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Ok, mix is near finished,
please have a listen and come with your comments:
https://clyp.it/54yultvl?token=94efe...8e491f3a18ed9b
It sounds great Geir, it's raw and clean. I'd like to hear a little more verb, but this has an "in your face" kind of quality to it, and it stands very well as it is.

If I remember correctly, the other mix had a confusing rhythm to it, but this one is much better, more cohesive, and I also like the stand up bass.

Good job.
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Listen in head phones it sounds great. No need for reverb as I see it.
Very intimate and nothing seems to get lost in the mix.
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Sounds great !

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Thank you very much!
Just some final touches, then of to mastering I guess

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It sounds great Geir, it's raw and clean. I'd like to hear a little more verb, but this has an "in your face" kind of quality to it, and it stands very well as it is.

If I remember correctly, the other mix had a confusing rhythm to it, but this one is much better, more cohesive, and I also like the stand up bass.

Good job.
Yes, I did a few changes:
- Doubled rythm-guitar and panned LR, putting solo-guitar 40R
It balances much better
- Exchanged el.bass with vsti stand up
- Some vol-env, ducking conflicting rhythmical parts

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Very enjoyable tune, sound, and performance, cheers.
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Very enjoyable tune, sound, and performance, cheers.
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btw Tod: You've used the term "in your face" a few times.
What do you associate with it?
- Much compression/limiting?
- Vocal vol. high?
- Little reverb/fx?

And, is it a positive or negative thing for you?
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Much much better for this one, more better panned for me. And this Norway tongue gives something exotic. As you can see, I'm from NORmandie.
It's clearer in general.
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The song is released:
https://geirsolerod.bandcamp.com/track/syng-min-sang

Thank you all for your contributions!

Please check if credits are ok with you,
and pm me for hiQ formats of the song
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https://geirsolerod.bandcamp.com/track/syng-min-sang

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Hi Geir. very cool now. Maybe it's a bit late as you released it. But as Tod says :
"have you thought about brushes instead of rods?" and I agree with that.
As he says also and as you didn't have a response, the "in your face" thing might be what you've obviously done, centering the sides a little by 45/50 (maybe)right and left which is cool for me. Still, to my taste, we're missing something in the front like 15 or 20 degrees R and L. Maybe with a reverb or light delay on the vocal tracks.

Anyway, it's a very good piece and the first for me to listen in Norwegian.
I hope it was clear, this is not my mother tongue.

Carry on, Bye.
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I liked it. I could hear easily envision this song being played on the tv show "lillehammer", when Torgeir is up to something. Sounded very warm and professionally produced on my headphones.

As i listened i thought that quiet cymbals ringing out in a cpl spots would sound good. I also thought that the last chorus would sound great with a group of people singing along with you, such as in a campfire song as prev mentioned in the thread.

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