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Old 10-29-2008, 12:18 PM   #1
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Default Darkstar's "Configuring Multi-Output VSTis" Discussion Area

I don't know if it's okay to post in this thread so please, if not, delete it.
But i think this thread is great.
Since i'm here in the forum i've read so much threads with questions concerning just this issue. (Mine too).
So i think just read this thread and don't ever ask again. (Me too)
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Old 12-13-2008, 08:30 AM   #2
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Darkstar,

This thread was most helpfull to me. I struggled a while with the routing at first, but that was before I discovered this very usefull thread.

Thanks a lot!
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Old 12-27-2008, 10:19 AM   #3
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Tks for the tutorials

I have a question, is it just me or when using the Combined MIDI / Audio tracks method, when looping it glitches on the begining of the loop


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Old 12-29-2008, 10:58 AM   #4
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Okay, I've tried this approach, but it doesn't seem to be working.

I am using VI.one which uses Kontakt Player 2, loading it onto one track as a virtual instrument, and from there creating 16 separate MIDI channels. Thr problem is that when I set up the individual sounds for each of the MIDI channels and go to those channels in Reaper, I can't hear anything.

Surely there's something I'm missing here...
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Combined MIDI / Audio tracks works well (ST2), except that my speakers crackle a lot when I set the Master/Parent Send for each track and project feedback

any ideas what causes that?
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Okay, I've tried this approach, but it doesn't seem to be working.

I am using VI.one which uses Kontakt Player 2, loading it onto one track as a virtual instrument, and from there creating 16 separate MIDI channels. Thr problem is that when I set up the individual sounds for each of the MIDI channels and go to those channels in Reaper, I can't hear anything.

Surely there's something I'm missing here...
Turns out there was. I forgot to make those MIDI tracks feed back into the track VI.one was set up on. Now it works just fine. Unfortunately, I've just run up against another brick wall--the Audigy 2 ZS makes a lousy sound card for pro purposes.

I'm investigating what card to get now. It doesn't have to be anything fancy; it just has to work in both Windows and Linux, be fairly recent and play nice with Reaper.
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thx guys,
i hope this helps
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:48 PM   #8
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this thing should be stickied in the general discussion area.
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Old 05-23-2009, 08:45 PM   #9
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This is the most helpful thread in the history of the universe. Many thanks, DarkStar!!
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Old 05-23-2009, 08:57 PM   #10
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Default Great job!

Thanx a lot Darkstar for the great job and taking your time to show us these steps.
Although i don't know about you guys but i think it's way too much of steps just to get a vsti load up, ouputs opened and assigned and midi inputs assigned with no headaches. Honestly, maybe it's just me and i'm not saying that Reaper ain't good but all these steps to get a everything that in many other daws out there achieve in i would say 3 steps.. for me i just don't get it. When the Devs are they going to make it simple and easy in opening vsti. Especially assigning multi midi inputs channels without having to open tones of windows and make tones of steps before.

And i don't want to start mentioning how easy it is to achieve this in other DAW.

But i'm confident that they will make this happen now that we are in V 3.0, they need to step up the game because there new DAW comers and the bar is raised for sure!!

Thanx again for this thread!!

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Old 06-06-2009, 10:31 AM   #11
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I don't getting routing to work at all, have tried the guide serval times but nothing works.

1. I have load the vst click ok for routing tracks

2. Have chosen different instruments on difrent tracks in the VST for example Sampletank.


Nothing is working, it is verry easy to do in Cubase.
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Old 01-31-2010, 05:38 PM   #12
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In post #3, image 352 you have all midi tracks minimized to thin lines and a few midi tracks open.

How do you do that?

If I completely minimize I can't get any of the midi tracks to remain open like that.
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Old 09-17-2010, 08:29 AM   #14
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Thanx a lot Darkstar for the great job and taking your time to show us these steps.
Although i don't know about you guys but i think it's way too much of steps just to get a vsti load up, ouputs opened and assigned and midi inputs assigned with no headaches. Honestly, maybe it's just me and i'm not saying that Reaper ain't good but all these steps to get a everything that in many other daws out there achieve in i would say 3 steps.. for me i just don't get it. When the Devs are they going to make it simple and easy in opening vsti. Especially assigning multi midi inputs channels without having to open tones of windows and make tones of steps before.

And i don't want to start mentioning how easy it is to achieve this in other DAW.

But i'm confident that they will make this happen now that we are in V 3.0, they need to step up the game because there new DAW comers and the bar is raised for sure!!

Thanx again for this thread!!

Cheers!
Solar... IMHO you are both right and not right... meaning that in many other DAW's it will do it for you but ONLY in the way it does it. Reaper on the other hand, offers an amazing degree of flexibility in setting these up to your needs and taste and, once done as you like, the ability to save as a template. There is always a 'price to pay' for more freedom but I'm ok with that in reaper.

It does take some learning to deal with the routing possibilites but to me it's been well worth it.

With that said, I can imagine a more automatic way for reaper to handle mulit-out vsti's. I don't know if it is possible but, what if:

Let me first add that I really like the way of putting each midi track into a folder with it's corresponding audio track.. Jonny G. shows this in his Kontakt tutorial...

So, what if... when you drag a vsti onto an empty tcp track, reaper begins a dialog that asks a series of questions:

1- How many midi rec. traks do you want routed to this vsti?
2- How many audio output traks do you want?
....then with these following options....
3- Would you like all the midi rec tracks in a folder... and
4- All the audio output in a diff folder

...or....

5- Would you like each midi rec trak and it's audio output to be it's own folder combo?

...and....

6- Which traks do you want to be visible in the TCP and which tracks do you want to be visible in the MCP?

...so answer the questions [you know, check boxes] and let 'er rip!
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Old 11-06-2010, 03:17 PM   #15
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Default SampleTank and Routing to load one instance of ST

So, I agree with some of the comments regarding Reaper not being as easy as Cubase regarding routing. Cubase makes it easy for people who grew up on MIDI. I'm old, thus one of those. Enough about Cubase.

I left the Cubase fold because Reaper offered such configurability (probably a bit much for my old brain). Reaper also, IMHO, sounds better and continually provides better workflow. And, I actually like the Reaper community. You guys are awesome with information, and the developers get right in the thick of it. You wouldn't see that anywhere else. Okay, enough Reaper cheerleading...here's my issue related to the Multi-out VSTs topic:

I want to load one instance of my multi-out VST (SampleTank 2.1 XL), loaded up with six instruments, for example, each on separate MIDI channels (configured in ST). I then want to record each of those channels individually. So, I might have Piano, Drums, Guitar, Synth, each on separate channels.

Then, I want to be able to go to a track in Reaper and control channel 1 - Piano, Channel 3 - Drums, individually. I don't want a combi. I want individual track control (if I want a combi, I can just layer by arming the individual tracks). The obvious benefit to what I want is not having to pull up multiple instances of SampleTank, which starts to wear on me after awhile (not to mention slowing down my machine).

If any of you use SampleTank 2 or Sonik Synth 2 and have figured this out, I would love to hear get a walk through. Thank you for your help.

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Old 11-06-2010, 04:29 PM   #16
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If I understand you correctly:

New project
insert virtual instrument
options build multi-channel
gets you there.
Inserting a midifile on the first track allows you to test the individual tracks.

You could also build the 16 channels when you do the multi-outs.

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Old 01-15-2011, 11:24 AM   #17
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this can really be a pain when all you want to do is track some midi performances and do some sequencing. having to double up on ever track just to do a "pre-mix" is a little annoying.
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Old 02-06-2011, 07:18 PM   #18
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Firstly, I am so thankful for this thread (and similar entry in the manual) because it has got me a long way. I only started using Reaper recently, and it has so far been the best DAW decision I have ever made!

So, to my question:

Up unto this point I have been I have had success adding Kontakt 4 to a track and configuring it properly as a multi VSTi...I can get all the virtual instrument to send to their desired tracks perfectly fine. The problem for me comes in when I want to add additional effects or plugins.

For example, let say I have 8 instruments loaded into Kontakt 4, with a piano as my midi#1 output...it sends to the appropriate track, where I have a few midi notes in that track...now I want to add some reverb to this track, but don't want to use the built in reverb from Kontakt 4...lets say I was to add REAPER's reverb....how can I accomplish this?

If I add it directly to the track where the midi notes are, it doesn't register anything because I suppose that track is actually sending the info to Kontakt 4 which actually outputs the sound. If I create a bus with reverb and send Kontackt 4 there, it puts reverb on all of the instruments, not just the piano.

I have been at this for days now fiddling with routing configurations and just can't seem to get it,...there must be something simple I am overlooking, please help!!

Thanks so much!!
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Old 02-08-2011, 02:37 AM   #19
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The simplest way (it takes longer to type this than to do it):

In Reaper:
-- right-click below any existing Track Control Panels,
-- select "Insert Virtual Instrument on new track" and pick Kontakt,
-- in the Build Routing Confirmation window, click [Yes] to create the separate audio outputs for Kontakt,
-- open the FX Chain window,
-- select [Options] > "Build 16 channels of MIDI routing to this track".

In Kontakt:
-- load your 8 instruments,
-- for each instrument set its incoming MIDI channel AND its audio output (to the Kontakt Mixer),
-- in the Kontakt Mixer, configure (the [Conf] button) each output to be connected to the next available pair of plugin outputs.

Back in Reaper:
-- rename your generated output tracks to reflect the audio coming form Kontakt to each one,
-- add the FX to those tracks,
-- hide any MIDI tracks you do not want to see in the Mixer,
-- hide any audio tracks you do not want to see in the Arranger,
-- Save them all as a Track Template for next time.

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Old 02-08-2011, 06:17 AM   #20
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Can't find the "configuring Multi-Outputs" thread. Please post the link.
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Old 02-08-2011, 10:13 AM   #21
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Can't find the "configuring Multi-Outputs" thread. Please post the link.
Thank you.
It's stickied in this very subforum
But here's a tiny link:.
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In Kontakt:
-- load your 8 instruments,
-- for each instrument set its incoming MIDI channel AND its audio output (to the Kontakt Mixer),
-- in the Kontakt Mixer, configure (the [Conf] button) each output to be connected to the next available pair of plugin outputs.

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Hey DarkStar, thank you SOOO much for replying, I really appreciate your help! What you said makes perfect sense, and I am almost there, but still need a little help.

I have been able to follow your instructions to get 4 stereo channels working (and then add effects to those channels), but I don`t know how to get more then 4.

For example, on the routing conformation window the outputs created are:

Stereo 1/2->New track 2 "Kt.st.1"
Stereo 3/4->New track 3 "Kt.st.2"
Stereo 5/6->New track 4 "Kt.aux1"
Stereo 7/8->New track 5 "Kt.aux2"

So, 8 outputs, but only 4 stereo.

Under the kontakt mixer settings, I have available:

st.1, st.2 and then 4 aux channels. I can create new channels, however I can only work within these paired groups to share an output rather then exceeding these 4 stereo pairs that have been created.

So in other words, I can't route the 4 remaining instruments to their own channels where I can add different effects and such...I can only share the 4 it creates for me.

Thanks again so much for your previous reply, I will be anxiously awaiting another reply - I need to figure this out before I start doing anymore recording because of the large number of tracks I need...if I don`t, it just cripples my cpu because of trying to open a new instance of Kontakt on every track just for one instrument.
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The Kontakt VSTi comes in various versions with different numbers of outputs. For example, Kontakt 3.5 has 08, 16 and 32 output versions. (that is 4, 8, 16 stereo channels).

It sounds like you've loaded the 8 output (4 stereo) version. Try the 32-output version (or the 64-output version if you're using Kontakt 4).
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The Kontakt VSTi comes in various versions with different numbers of outputs. For example, Kontakt 3.5 has 08, 16 and 32 output versions. (that is 4, 8, 16 stereo channels).

It sounds like you've loaded the 8 output (4 stereo) version. Try the 32-output version (or the 64-output version if you're using Kontakt 4).
I tried using the 64 out, as I am using Kontakt 4, and I gain 1 extra stereo channel, and the rest become mono channels, exactly like this:

Stereo 1/2->New track 2 "Kt.st.1"
Stereo 3/4->New track 3 "Kt.aux1"
Stereo 5/6->New track 4 "Kt.aux2"
Stereo 7/8->New track 5 "Kt.aux3"
Stereo 9/10->New track 6 "Kt.aux4"

Mono 11->New track 7 "Kt. unassigned[1]" (repeats all the way until it reaches "Mono 64"

Any thoughts? I tested and can route properly to the mono track, but it kills a lot of the source effects from Kontakt. Need stereo.

Thanks again!
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OK, some progress. it sounds like your Kontakt VSTi has one 5 (stereo) channels in its Mixer (St.1 and 4 Aux). So the first thing to do is crate more channels within Kontakt

In Kontakt (no instruments loaded):
-- in the Mixer, click [Add channel], say, 7 times to add 7 more channels
-- click [Conf] on one, rename it if needed and select its plugin outputs (the next available pair)
-- click >> to go to the next new channel and repeat
-- do the same for the 4 Aux channels to put them on their own outputs.
-- with the 64-out version you could have 28 stereo channels and 4 stereo Aux channels

Here, I've added 3 new channels, in Kontakt 3.5:
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Now, before you add any Instruments:
-- save this setup as an empty Multi, so that you can load it agian in other projects
-- or, click [Make Default] to make it the defualt setup for Kontakt 64-out, so that it loads automatically each time you load Kontakt.

Close Kontakt and remove it from the track, reload it from the FX Browser (and load the Multi if you need to). In the FX Chain window, click [Options} and select "Build multichannel routing ...". Add you 8 Instruments and route them to the desired outputs.

Have a look at "the Output section" is the Kontakt Reference manual for more details

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Close Kontakt and remove it from the track, reload it from the FX Browser (and load the Multi if you need to). In the FX Chain window, click [Options} and select "Build multichannel routing ...". Add you 8 Instruments and route them to the desired outputs.

HTH

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!

I finally got it

For some reason as well, for me, reaper would not recognize the new tracks until I saved everything as default and then started a new project and let it re-build the output tracks,...not just closing and re-opening Kontakt.

Having this set-up will completely change the way I am able to record.

Thanks again so much, I super appreciate all of your help DarkStar!!!

-Tim
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You're welcome.

The only rule is: help out other users when you can.
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Old 02-15-2011, 04:56 PM   #28
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Default Sample Tank 2.5xl and Akai MPK88 midi routing

of the three types of vsti that you discussed,

# the "Fast-track" method,
# separate MIDI Input and Audio Output tracks,
# combined MIDI Input and Audio Output tracks

Which do you recommend if what a person wants is to create a multi in ST and then trigger each part from its own corresponding midi channel. I have been very unsuccessful in getting ST to work as multitimbral instrument with my akai mpk88.

I also have miroslav and sonik synth and something tells me once I figure out my routing issue for ST my other two vst issues will be solved.

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"Fast track" will give you 1 VSTi track (for the MIDI clips) and 16 tracks for the audio output. Inside ST2 you should select a different pair of outputs for each instrument. You could then put all your MIDI clips on the one track.

If you want the MIDI clips on separate tracks, then Build the 16 channels of MIDI routing to the VSTi track; rename those tracks and put the MIDI clips on them. This will also set the Sends from those tracks to convert the MIDI to the 16 separate MIDI channels 9and may solve the issue in your other thread).

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I just woke up Darkstar, so bear with me....now is fast track when i do insert vst on new track and then select no to inserting the 32 channels of audio? or when i say yes to that?

How do you record 16 parts on one midi track without overwriting the previous data? I am sorry im just a noob here.

You know i bought the groove3.com's tutorial videos for sample tank 2 but the videos demonstrate using apples, logic. so i thought i should get groove3.com's Reaper videos and watch them first. did you ever watch the Reaper videos at groove3? if so do you think they will help me understand what you're saying better?

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This is a very detailed tutorial. thank you.

But when I right click and choose the new instrument, I don't get a browsable window, just a list of VSTs.

Where are all these VSTs?

I put a bunch into a folder I named VSTPlugins in the same folder as reaper, but Reaper doesn't see it.

How do I get Reaper to see my VSTi's??
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Old 06-23-2011, 08:53 PM   #32
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(To widetrack regarding this exact issue and question directly above, here's a solution for you)

I know it's about a whole month later, but just in the small case you haven't yet found the answer, or someone else is asking, I posted about this exact thing, once I finally figured it out and after I too struggled with this question for a few hours.

On this link, I start the thread with a question, however midway down you'll see the instructions I posted to do exactly this, "GETTING REAPER TO RECOGNIZE KONTAKT'S VST's. It will tell you what to do!

http://co.native-instruments.com/for...275#post887275

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Old 06-25-2011, 08:01 PM   #33
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And here are the equivalent steps for SampleTank2.5 (32 outputs, 16 stereo channels). Yes, I know it's almost Bugatti blue but I prefer that to the Ferrari red default.

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Old 07-05-2011, 01:07 PM   #34
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Guys I am sorry but I am more lost now than I ever was. I don't want to sound negative, but I'm completely confused, as every time I try and find something to help guide me through the steps I need to get in order to achieve the results I'm looking for, I seem to find forums, videos etc, that never really take me from A to Z.


They either start from G and seem to end at Q, or they are explained in technical talk that speaks to me like I know what something is or where it's located.


I am brand new to Kontakt and Reaper both. I'm trying to get it set up so that Reaper acts as my Master/Trigger and Kontakt plays each instrument it's told to play through Reaper's sequencer.


To be more clear so that it's understood exactly what I'm trying to do, let's pretend I'm trying to set up a 4 piece band. I want four sequencer tracks (drawn in on Reaper) each with their own corresponding instrument on Kontakt.


For the first sequencer track on Reaper, I want it to trigger the guitars from one of the guitar libraries I have in Kontakt's library. For the second track on Reaper, I want it to correspond with the bass. For the third, drums, and fourth we'll say another guitar or other sound/instrument etc.


How do I set this up? I've followed just about every step out there, but every time I attempt to do it, I get completely lost. Either the words are changed due to different versions of both programs. (I'm on Kontakt 4 and Reaper 3.76 by the way) Or I hear things explained that talk to me like I'm supposed to know what certain terms are, where they are located, or what it means, when I have absolutely no understanding of certain technical terms and locations, etc.



For instance, under the section from above: Separate MIDI Input and Audio Out tracks [Kontakt 3]

Under step 5 it says:

5 Configure the routing inside the VSTi; for Kontakt 3:
- create the additional Kontakt Mixer channels if needed,
- connect each Kontakt Mixer channel to the appropriate VSTi Reaper outputs,
- route each Instrument to the desired Kontakt mixer channel.

lol, sorry, but I have absolutely no idea what any of this means or how to do it. How do I create the additional Kontakt mixer channels? How do I connect them to the appropriate VSTi Reaper outputs? How do I route them? See how hopeless I am? lol.



also under step 2 (same section) it says:

2 Build 16 tracks of MIDI input and, for each track, select the MIDI input device/channel:
In the FX Chain window, click [Options] select "Build 16 channels of MIDI routing to this track".
For each of the MIDI tracks, right-click the Record [R] button, select the MIDI input device and channel.

When I right-click record/arm button on each of these tracks, it gives me different options. I go to "Midi Input" and then I have the following 3 options: Virtual Midi Keyboard, All Midi Inputs, and Map Input to Channel.

For what I'm trying to do, which one do I need or do I not even go to "Midi Input" but instead am supposed to be selecting something else?



I could really use help from someone walking me through the beginning, to the end. I hope I don't come off as needy, but I'm just so lost and have tried and tried off and on for weeks (between my schedule) to figure out what I'm doing with no luck or understanding if I'm doing it right.


I do not need pictures (as I don't want it to be any more troublesome or burdening than it needs to be). Just step for step instructions that say, "step one, do this... step two, now click on this... and select the following option (as it's listed)" instead of saying technical things like, "now route your such and such to this cadabber" as I end up saying, "what in the world does this mean" lol.


Also, if it's located in a certain spot or drop down menu or window, it would be extremely helpful if it would say something like, "now a window pops up, and to the left you'll see a small green box that says ... click that and select..."


I am very grateful to all who have helped and taken time to post things like the above and it's very thoughtful of you all who've put fourth the effort and energy to give us info, but unfortunately, I just am not getting it do to being brand new to all this kind of info. Thanks again my friends for anyone who has tried to help me so far, and thanks for being patient with a complete noob lol.
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Old 07-05-2011, 01:35 PM   #35
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Have you tried this?
http://tutorialsforreaper.com/2010/0...ment-properly/

Seems to be just what you're looking for (except it's a video, and not written out )
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Old 07-06-2011, 05:53 AM   #36
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Yes, the steps I described do assume a working knowledge of Kontakt and the basics of Reaper.

So here's another try.

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To be more clear so that it's understood exactly what I'm trying to do, let's pretend I'm trying to set up a 4 piece band. I want four sequencer tracks (drawn in on Reaper) each with their own corresponding instrument on Kontakt.
In Reaper:
-- right- click below any existing track headers (Track Control Panels, or TCPs)
-- select "Insert Virtual Instrument on new track,
-- select Kontakt by double-clicking it,
-- on the "Building Routing Confirmation" window, click "Yes" is you want separate audio outputs for each Instrument, otherwise click "No"

In Kontakt:
-- see Chapter 14 in the Kontakt manual for full details
-- open the Outputs section, by clicking the Mixer icon at the top
-- click [Add channel] 3 times to add three more Output channels to Kontakt
-- if there is a Surround 5.1 channel, select it and click [Delete channel]
-- you should then have 4 main channels and 4 Aux channels
-- for each of the main channels, click [Conf], type in a name ("st.2") etc, and select the physical outputs by clicking them and selecting from the list (st.1 should go to the first two plugin outputs, st.2 to the next two etc
-- you may need to close and re-open Kontakt to apply those changes (I don't here)

-- load your 4 Instruments into the Kontakt Rack
-- for the instruments, change the Outputs to st.1, 2, 3, 4 respectively and the MIDI Ch to [A] 1, 2, ,3 or 4 respectively

Now you have 4 instruments in Kontakt, each receiving MIDI on its own channel and sending its audio out on a separate channel

Back in Reaper:
-- set up 4 tracks to send MIDI to Kontakt
-- select the Kontakt track
-- click [Track], select "Insert track", repeat 3 more times
-- for each of those 4 tracks,
drag the [io] button onto the Kontakt track
in the pop-up dialogue, click on the "v" next to "Audio 1/2" and select "None",
click on the "v" after ">= All" and select the MIDI channel for that track
double-click the track name area and type in the Instrument name
Now you have:
4 tracks routing MIDI into Kontakt, each using a different channel,
4 Instruments in Kontakt each receiving MIDI on a different channel,
4 output channels in Kontakt, each receiving a different Instrument's audio
many output tracks in Reaper, the first 4 receving the audio from Kontakt.
You can delete the additional output tracks if you want.


HTH


Save all the tracks as a track Template
-- select them all (click the first, Shift+click the last)
-- right-click, select "Save selected tracks as track template"
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Old 07-06-2011, 12:09 PM   #37
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Kevin thanks much my friend. Yes I had seen that video, but I went back and tried it again, and seemed to have more success. It still for some reason doesn't work for me when I follow the video. (I don't know if I have messed up settings somewhere or what) However, I was able to improvise a bit and basically what I did was just click on each Reaper track's FX button, and added the 8 channel Kontakt for each of Reaper's tracks.

I guess you could say if I was running 4 tracks, each with their own corresponding instrument, there would be 4 Kontakt tracks/instruments and 4 instances of Kontakt running. But if it works then it works. I guess I was just wanting to make sure that I was doing it right.

Either way, thanks so much for your help and response. Now I'm gonna try DarkStar's directions above, I'm sure I'll find many things I was missing.

Also, I am out of town right now and all my stuff is at home. I'll go ahead and just google, but I'm hoping I can find a pdf manual for Kontakt. I'm sure they have one.

Thanks again all. DarkStar, thanks again for all the information you've put forth for all of us. I'm gonna be trying your post above soon as I get back from taking care of a few things today.

Thanks all
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Old 07-06-2011, 03:00 PM   #38
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The method you describe is less than ideal. It sounds like you're only using a single output for Kontakt with each instance. I guess that works, but it's not very CPU friendly.

I actually don't have Kontakt, so I probably can't be much more help. I encourage you to keep at it though. When I first tried to get my head around this stuff, it didn't make sense to me either. But with enough trial and error, and support from the forum, things eventually clicked. I suspect they will for you, to.

Best of luck.

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Kevin thanks much my friend. Yes I had seen that video, but I went back and tried it again, and seemed to have more success. It still for some reason doesn't work for me when I follow the video. (I don't know if I have messed up settings somewhere or what) However, I was able to improvise a bit and basically what I did was just click on each Reaper track's FX button, and added the 8 channel Kontakt for each of Reaper's tracks.

I guess you could say if I was running 4 tracks, each with their own corresponding instrument, there would be 4 Kontakt tracks/instruments and 4 instances of Kontakt running. But if it works then it works. I guess I was just wanting to make sure that I was doing it right.

Either way, thanks so much for your help and response. Now I'm gonna try DarkStar's directions above, I'm sure I'll find many things I was missing.

Also, I am out of town right now and all my stuff is at home. I'll go ahead and just google, but I'm hoping I can find a pdf manual for Kontakt. I'm sure they have one.

Thanks again all. DarkStar, thanks again for all the information you've put forth for all of us. I'm gonna be trying your post above soon as I get back from taking care of a few things today.

Thanks all
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Old 07-06-2011, 03:22 PM   #39
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The method you describe is less than ideal. It sounds like you're only using a single output for Kontakt with each instance. I guess that works, but it's not very CPU friendly.
I just want to echo what Kevin says here. You can get up to 16 stereo outputs with one instance Kontakt and for what your doing you won't need any more than one instance. Kontakt usually shows 3 different dll files and you need to find the one that has the most outputs or at least enough outputs to do what you want to do. Even so, you will probably have to setup the Kontakt configuration too.

Try setting it up the way Darkstar describes and see what you come up with.
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[QUOTE=DarkStar;680874]The simplest way (it takes longer to type this than to do it):

In Reaper:
-- right-click below any existing Track Control Panels,
-- select "Insert Virtual Instrument on new track" and pick Kontakt,
-- in the Build Routing Confirmation window, click [Yes] to create the separate audio outputs for Kontakt,
-- open the FX Chain window,
-- select [Options] > "Build 16 channels of MIDI routing to this track".

Thank you so much for this post. I've seen several videos on YouTube that show you how to do this, one even claims that Reaper will route the whole thing for you automatically. None of them work. The closest that they come is the 4 MIDI tracks all routed to the same audio track. If you can't adjust the volume of each instrument independently, you don't really have much to work with. Thanks again DarkStar! ComposerParsons
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