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05-23-2017, 05:58 AM
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Cables
Hi,
This is perhaps unrelated to Reaper. but I'm just wondering what guitar and mic cables you guys recommend?
I've heard good things about Mogami.
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05-23-2017, 06:09 AM
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Look for good/quality construction since that tends to be the biggest difference, keep them reasonably short aka less than 20 feet or so for passive guitars. There truly isn't much more to it than that since most of the uber-high quality cable selling points are myths. Mogami is fine but much of the expense is the construction based on the last time I bought some raw Mogami.
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05-23-2017, 06:24 AM
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Another important point are the plugs. Choose quality, not price. I did over 30 years live events as engineer and tech, believe me!
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05-23-2017, 06:33 AM
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Durability is probably the main factor for me. I've always made all my own cables and found if I use good quality wire and plugs, they will last for a life time.
For plugs and patchbays, I've always used switchcraft, they stand up better than any other brand of plugs I've used.
A good quality wire will be fairly heavy duty and have lots of strands. I also prefer the mesh wire for shields.
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05-23-2017, 07:15 AM
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For guitar cables, the more capacitance the cable has the more high frequencies it will roll off. There are two ways to add capacitance: 1) use a cable with more capacitance per foot/meter, and 2) use a longer cable.
For mic cables, you won't notice as much difference between various capacitances, but you will probably hear a noticeable difference between quad and normal cables, with the quad picking up less noise in most environments.
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05-23-2017, 09:37 AM
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All the above. Don't buy super cheap and don't buy super expensive.
For guitars...
I won't buy from any brand that doesn't list the cable capacitance. I look for low capacitance ideally below 30 pF/ft, 100 pF/m) and keep the length as short as is practical between guitar and the first non-true-bypass thing it's plugged into. DiMarzio, Planet Waves, Klotz are top of my list. Currently enjoying the planet Waves American stage cables.
TONS of completely made-up pseudo-physics bullshit out there, even from big brand name stuff (Monster cable especially bad example) which totally offends the physicist in me. So here's what you ned to know...
In terms of tone transmission, two cables with the same total capacitance will perform identically. All the marketing nonsense in the world will never change that simple fact. No creamy mids or deep bass, or better dynamics, or smearing of whatnots. That's all nonsense. Higher capacitance leads to more treble loss and that's all there is to worry about where passive electric guitars are concerned.
Capacitance aside, cheap cables may be more prone to noise from external sources, more prone to crackle when you walk across the floor, and more likely to fail when you don't want it to. When you pay extra, you should be paying for durability and better noise performance.
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Last edited by DrKev; 05-23-2017 at 10:46 AM.
Reason: Clarifying and tidying
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05-23-2017, 12:06 PM
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Over the last year I purchased 6 guitar type leads, 2 from what I would have thought were NZ's top technical people who made rack gear etc I had purchased good cable from these people before. This time these cables actually were faulty and unusable sounding like they had crossed wires etc, were they tested? I Purchased another pair of Italian cables a brand I furnished my studio with back in the day and they have been fabulous, this time however they were terrible being wound up like a spring and very noisy (they were straight cables there was huge tension in them).
The last pair I purchased were in CHCH from the Lonely Planet at about $38 each.
Top cable the only ones I have that work.
I did not send my others back it would cost a heap to do so I think it is not good to sell poor work the hand made cables cost a heap and perhaps I should have informed the firm that said I have found the firm terse to deal with.
I am not affiliated in any way with Lonely Planet but for me their own cables rock.
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05-23-2017, 01:37 PM
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I've got to say.. I've become somewhat of a fan of the Hosa Rean cables. I use their TRS cables for the 2 sets of monitors I have and they are really nice cables and connectors. Oxygen free copper with the Neutrik Rean metal plugs. Really nice quality. Not super cheap, but not too expensive either.
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...Ck%3Ahosa+rean
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05-23-2017, 11:48 PM
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05-24-2017, 12:50 AM
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my two cents...
for mic cables I use to sold them by myself using Klotz cable MY206.
they're flexible enough to be used for both live situations and in studio.
Very good quality at an honest budget:
https://shop.klotz-ais.com/5564-my206.html
don't forget the connectors, expecially the XLR connectors..the cheaper ones usually don't fit very well in the sockets, sometimes the block doesn't work or they're really hard to insert or remove and this can be cause of noises or worst lost of the signal.
Sommer cables are good too, i have two stageboxes and the only thing i don't like is that they're not so flexible so for live situations can be annoying to set them in a clean way
Last edited by metal_priest; 05-24-2017 at 04:02 AM.
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05-24-2017, 01:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bucca
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To be more specific:
https://www.thomann.de/gb/the_sssnake_sk361-6.htm
I use these cables since ~ 20 years, > 120 live gigs/year, absolutely no problem. And the price is more than OK.
So me thinks every other recommendation is recommending to pay for a or some bottles of snake oil. That of course will not work...
Point is, these cables are soldered by Thomann themselves. And because they can buy a lightyear of quality cable and a gazillion of jacks far cheaper than us. there is no point in soldering cables in homework. Let Thomann do it. And I assume, they can do it better. So...
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05-24-2017, 01:36 AM
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I had a really bad experience with XLR by thomann, the sssnake you pointed. I don't know about unbalanced TS cables, but the XLR connectors doesn't fit into my focursite's sockets..they're really hard to insert and remove..i letterally need to "sit" over the rack and pull with all my force to insert and remove them.
and a quick A/B test with my Klotz+Neutrik was really clear which one was the best one, specially for the loss of high frequencies you can find with bad cables.
Of course was same lenght (10mt) cables.
Maybe I was unlucky or maybe they were not the best sssnake they had because they where into a bundle with mic stands i don't know...the only thing i know is that i never use them, or i use only if i need because of too many channels
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05-24-2017, 03:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by metal_priest
I had a really bad experience with XLR by thomann, the sssnake you pointed... I don't know about unbalanced TS cables, but the XLR connectors doesn't fit into my focursite's sockets..they're really hard to insert and remove..i letterally need to "sit" over the rack and pull with all my force to insert and remove them.
and a quick A/B test with my Klotz+Neutrik was really clear which one was the best one...
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I can confirm this to a 100%
Quote:
Originally Posted by haervo
https://www.thomann.de/gb/the_sssnake_sk361-6.htm...Point is, these cables are soldered by Thomann themselves. And because they can buy a lightyear of quality cable and a gazillion of jacks far cheaper than us. there is no point in soldering cables in homework. Let Thomann do it. And I assume, they can do it better...
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Your experience really validated, but this is not a good recommendation at all IMHO. This shows exactly the cheap plugs I meant above. And even the best soldering specialist at Thomann can't produce quality cables with this material your link shows.
I exclusively use Neutrik; they last forever, but am not a fan of Neutrik Rean OTOH.
The OP asks for recommendation, so here's mine: listen to metal_priest!
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05-24-2017, 04:01 AM
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I make my own. that is *always* the best route. commercial= George L or Mogami
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05-24-2017, 08:12 AM
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Make your own, use Neutrik connectors if you want to rely on them and also be able to repair cables in a hurry.
I second the reccommendation for starquad -I use Canford SQ-R.
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05-24-2017, 09:13 AM
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https://www.thomann.de/gb/the_sssnake_sk361-6.htm
Be very careful with ^those. They look like the cheap, cast-metal connectors but even worse is they look like they might be out of spec. If the tip doesn't have the proper rounding on the back side it will get stuck in certain connectors like Neutrik combo connectors. So knowing what I know and looking at them, I can't say I'd trust these in anything but the most delicate uses. Could be wrong but I'm not seeing anything here that says 'quality'.
This happened with the RME UFX (including mine), use one of these out of spec connectors and it can't be removed without breaking the connector:
https://www.forum.rme-audio.de/viewtopic.php?id=14631
Edit: saw a different image, it may have the proper rounding FYI but I'm still a Switchcraft guy.
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Last edited by karbomusic; 05-24-2017 at 09:24 AM.
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05-24-2017, 01:51 PM
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I use Cordial (CGK ROAD 75) for guitar + Neutrik connectors.
Conductor Area ----------- 0.75 mm2
Composition of conductor-- 42 x 0.15mm bare copper
Conductor Resistance ----- 25.5 Ohm/km
Capacity --------------------- 88 pF/m
Diameter --------------------- 7.2 ± 0.2 mm
for Mic cable they offer many types
I use CSF 250 CSF 450 CMTOP 222 CMK 222 ...
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