Old 04-15-2017, 10:37 PM   #1441
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It's the hobbyest that wants to track at ultra low latency through online FX.
I disagree !
I use Reaper mainly as a very versatile VST Host for live playing with Masterkeyboards etc. You might also look at the SWS LiveConfigs User Guide to see that Jeffos created LiveConfigs especially for plying Guitar via VTs hosted by Reaper.

For such applications low latency is an absolute must.

And for various reasons doing such "embedded" applications on Linux is very appropriate.

In fact it should be possible to get away with an even lower latency setting in Linux than would be possible with Windows. This could be a very professional use of "native Linux" Reaper's.

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Does the last swell version build on your systems? On my arch linux box it fails:

The build fails with:
Code:
ETYPE -I/usr/include/freetype2 -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -c -o swell.o swell.cpp
swell.cpp: In function ‘void* CreateEventAsSocket(void*, BOOL, BOOL, const char*)’:
swell.cpp:197:64: error: ignoring return value of ‘ssize_t write(int, const void*, size_t)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result [-Werror=unused-result]
if (initialSig&&buf->socket[1]>=0) write(buf->socket[1],&c,1);
^
swell.cpp: In function ‘BOOL SetEvent(HANDLE)’:
swell.cpp:522:32: error: ignoring return value of ‘ssize_t write(int, const void*, size_t)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result [-Werror=unused-result]
write(se->socket[1],&c,1);
^
swell.cpp: In function ‘BOOL ResetEvent(HANDLE)’:
swell.cpp:543:42: error: ignoring return value of ‘ssize_t read(int, void*, size_t)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result [-Werror=unused-result]
read(se->socket[0],buf,sizeof(buf));
^
cc1plus: all warnings being treated as errors
make: *** [<builtin>: swell.o] Error 1
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Hi,

I get the following error while trying to build libSwell:

Code:
g++ -pipe -fvisibility=hidden -fno-math-errno -fPIC -DPIC -Wall -Wno-narrowing -Wno-sign-compare -Wno-unused-function -Wno-multichar -Werror -malign-double  -Wno-deprecated-declarations -O2 -s -DSWELL_TARGET_GDK=3 -pthread -I/usr/include/gtk-3.0 -I/usr/include/gio-unix-2.0/ -I/usr/include/mirclient -I/usr/include/mircore -I/usr/include/mircookie -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/harfbuzz -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-2.0 -I/usr/include/libpng16 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng16 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include -DSWELL_LICE_GDI -DSWELL_FREETYPE -I/usr/include/freetype2   -c -o swell.o swell.cpp
swell.cpp: In function ‘void* CreateEventAsSocket(void*, BOOL, BOOL, const char*)’:
swell.cpp:197:64: error: ignoring return value of ‘ssize_t write(int, const void*, size_t)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result [-Werror=unused-result]
   if (initialSig&&buf->socket[1]>=0) write(buf->socket[1],&c,1);
                                                                ^
swell.cpp: In function ‘BOOL SetEvent(HANDLE)’:
swell.cpp:522:32: error: ignoring return value of ‘ssize_t write(int, const void*, size_t)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result [-Werror=unused-result]
       write(se->socket[1],&c,1);
                                ^
swell.cpp: In function ‘BOOL ResetEvent(HANDLE)’:
swell.cpp:543:42: error: ignoring return value of ‘ssize_t read(int, void*, size_t)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result [-Werror=unused-result]
       read(se->socket[0],buf,sizeof(buf));
                                          ^
cc1plus: all warnings being treated as errors
<builtin>: recipe for target 'swell.o' failed
make: *** [swell.o] Error 1
This is on Ubuntu 17.04.

If I use a git clone of WDL from a few days ago, I don't get this error and can build successfully.

Does anyone know what I can do to get libSwell to build with latest WDL git, please?!

Thanks!!

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I disagree !
I use Reaper mainly as a very versatile VST Host for live playing with Masterkeyboards etc. You might also look at the SWS LiveConfigs User Guide to see that Jeffos created LiveConfigs especially for plying Guitar via VTs hosted by Reaper.

For such applications low latency is an absolute must.

And for various reasons doing such "embedded" applications on Linux is very appropriate.

In fact it should be possible to get away with an even lower latency setting in Linux than would be possible with Windows. This could be a very professional use of "native Linux" Reaper's.

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OK, I take back my statement!
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Thank you all, guys, for replying to my questions

I had tried linux in the past but I didn't feel like making the move from windows to it.. However, Linux has saved my a$$ two times in the past when my Windows machine had gotten a virus...
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Hi,

I get the following error while trying to build libSwell:

Code:
g++ -pipe -fvisibility=hidden -fno-math-errno -fPIC -DPIC -Wall -Wno-narrowing -Wno-sign-compare -Wno-unused-function -Wno-multichar -Werror -malign-double  -Wno-deprecated-declarations -O2 -s -DSWELL_TARGET_GDK=3 -pthread -I/usr/include/gtk-3.0 -I/usr/include/gio-unix-2.0/ -I/usr/include/mirclient -I/usr/include/mircore -I/usr/include/mircookie -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/harfbuzz -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-2.0 -I/usr/include/libpng16 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng16 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include -DSWELL_LICE_GDI -DSWELL_FREETYPE -I/usr/include/freetype2   -c -o swell.o swell.cpp
swell.cpp: In function ‘void* CreateEventAsSocket(void*, BOOL, BOOL, const char*)’:
swell.cpp:197:64: error: ignoring return value of ‘ssize_t write(int, const void*, size_t)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result [-Werror=unused-result]
   if (initialSig&&buf->socket[1]>=0) write(buf->socket[1],&c,1);
                                                                ^
swell.cpp: In function ‘BOOL SetEvent(HANDLE)’:
swell.cpp:522:32: error: ignoring return value of ‘ssize_t write(int, const void*, size_t)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result [-Werror=unused-result]
       write(se->socket[1],&c,1);
                                ^
swell.cpp: In function ‘BOOL ResetEvent(HANDLE)’:
swell.cpp:543:42: error: ignoring return value of ‘ssize_t read(int, void*, size_t)’, declared with attribute warn_unused_result [-Werror=unused-result]
       read(se->socket[0],buf,sizeof(buf));
                                          ^
cc1plus: all warnings being treated as errors
<builtin>: recipe for target 'swell.o' failed
make: *** [swell.o] Error 1
This is on Ubuntu 17.04.

If I use a git clone of WDL from a few days ago, I don't get this error and can build successfully.

Does anyone know what I can do to get libSwell to build with latest WDL git, please?!

Thanks!!

avoca
Ah pushing a fix for this!
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Looks like you need to install some things.

g++ and maybe libX11

For debian/ubuntu it's "sudo apt-get install g++" or something like that.
Yeah, today I will try to see if I can get all that stuff sorted/installed and try to make a libSwell, I think I need to learn this if I want to be a pingvin.
It seems I have libpng 16-16 installed though but nope, no dize/luck.

Push push!

libX11-6 *check* & installing Synaptic Package Manager seems to be a good idea.
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FWIW, here it is. But at the moment I'm just messing around with it, so it's far from coherent or correct, the use of ffffff for text is probably overdone too
I've just updated the colortheme format for libSwell, in order to make it more extensible for other things such as font sizes...

Here's jacks' theme updated:

http://1014.org/_/libSwell.colortheme

(each color value gets a # prefix like html/css)
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Yeah, today I will try to see if I can get all that stuff sorted/installed and try to make a libSwell, I think I need to learn this if I want to be a pingvin.
It seems I have libpng 16-16 installed though but nope, no dize/luck.

Push push!
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apt-get install build-essential libgtk-3-dev
is a good starting point I think
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I've just updated the colortheme format for libSwell
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yey I've managed to break the sound, and now I can't load pulse sink module anymore (sound device list gets empty when loaded , no input or output devices).
Tryed again on fresh install (ffado, pulse for jack, configurating pulse.conf) and still nothing. When pulse sink gets loaded, sound device list gets empty and Jack cannot connect
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Thanks Justin, will add this, the second I succeed, this thread will know about it! I will make some noise.

Edit:

Through the terminal I got:

~$ apt-get install build-essential libgtk-3-dev
E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?

But I searched for libgtk-3 through Synaptic instead and successfully got it installed.
I will try again and see what loveletters I get this time and take notes.
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I maaaade it people!!
Got a minor shock when the terminal got busy busy building after I pressed Return after, Make.
The only correction I would point out is,
cd WDL/WDL/swell

Looks like that is the default place when doing the steps.

Eeeedit:

ahh-ha, and # apt-get install build-essentials libgtk-3-dev, with the #
And a few minutes later another oohh, I only typed Make, did not try Make GDK3=1 but that worked also if that makes any diff.

tidE: libSwell.colortheme, Wow, I like! (works) thank you!
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yey I've managed to break the sound, and now I can't load pulse sink module anymore (sound device list gets empty when loaded , no input or output devices).
Tryed again on fresh install (ffado, pulse for jack, configurating pulse.conf) and still nothing. When pulse sink gets loaded, sound device list gets empty and Jack cannot connect
Not sure I understand, but if you load the pulse sink manually you have to do that after starting jack. If the problem is that you can't start jack at all, maybe you have to use pavucontrol to disable the firewire card, so that pulse doesn't try to use it.

If you use jack2-bus together with pulseaudio it ought to be automatic. If you start jack1 or jack2 manually with a commandline or through qjackctl or something like that, then you'd have to manually load the pulse sink.
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I can't change fontsizes through the theme tweaker though, the WALTER ones etc, is it me? again?
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Ah pushing a fix for this!
It builds now, thanks

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Not sure I understand, but if you load the pulse sink manually you have to do that after starting jack. If the problem is that you can't start jack at all, maybe you have to use pavucontrol to disable the firewire card, so that pulse doesn't try to use it.

If you use jack2-bus together with pulseaudio it ought to be automatic. If you start jack1 or jack2 manually with a commandline or through qjackctl or something like that, then you'd have to manually load the pulse sink.
well it started automatically before, but I do not remember installing jack bus. To be honest I do not know what breaked the system. I did not do nothing or installed anything. It just stopped working when I've booted the system today. Anyway this were the steps I've used before that made it working :

1. Installed ffado lib
2. Installde jack-pulse
4. Python qt4 (it was needed for ffado mixer)
5. Configurated /etc/pulse/client.conf to load sink module
6. restarted and the sound was there

now, there is no way. Anyway I've followed this instructions to make it work
https://wornwinter.wordpress.com/tag/pulseaudio/

(started at PulseAudio and Jack chapter because all was there in the system)

Jack throws error when trying to connect,but anyway if I load the sink module there are no sound devices anymore
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Jack throws error when trying to connect,but anyway if I load the sink module there are no sound devices anymore
A good clue would be to post the error message
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Code:
connect(2) call to /dev/shm/jack-1000/default/jack_0 failed (err=No such file or directory)
attempt to connect to server failed
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connect(2) call to /dev/shm/jack-1000/default/jack_0 failed (err=No such file or directory)
attempt to connect to server failed
IIRC that just means that the server didn't start correctly. We need to dig deeper to find this. Do you have a possibility to pop into IRC on the freenode channel #reaper-linux, then I could probably help you a lot faster.

Otherwise check that you don't have a jack-dbus process running, and try to disable the firewire device in pavucontrol (if it's there at all).

Maybe the entire output from jack if started from a terminal would also be useful.
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I will join the IRC in a few moments,making fresh install
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Qjackctl has a tickbox in the qjackctl Setup panel
misc tab, to use or not use dbus.
dbus is the systemwide message bus service,
not directly an audio app, but a team-mate at times.

I don't enable dbus in qjackctl, and I don't allow
pulseaudio any place in my system (beyond libpulse
being a dependency of something reasonably valuable)

The peace is maintained by not updating audio infrastructure
on my working system, without a thorough test on a 'current'
linux distro. My jackd is circa 2014, and linux reaper
doesn't seem to notice or care, and I can't hear any
audio deficiencies other than my lack of various skills.

There is something to be said for keeping things simple,
as well as for mastering the many multimedia interactions
a linux system makes possible.
It's a lifestyle choice, and linux users can choose
all and more, or take a more skeletal offramp,
to run a small-town setup, or keep a narrow focus.
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An updated dark grey libSwell.colortheme with new entries and format: https://stash.reaper.fm/30510/libSwell.colortheme
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I can't get any results by setting every font size related stuff in libSwell.colortheme to 22 just to make things obvious to test and Linux REAPER does not react on dpi or font sizes settings I set in the OS like in Windows world.
Am I chasing ghosts/my own tail atm or what?
And the stuff in theme tweaker is out of order/on vacation..
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So... I installed the latest Linux Mint and now the font stuff works!
Why not on Kubuntu? no clue.. must be me.

And I was 174% faster setting up REAPER and do a libSwell this time
All I needed was to install g++ and git and it is cd WDL/WDL/swell.
Install g++ and GDK3 through Synaptic if you find that easyer, make GDK3=1.

And Mint have a similar dark theme with white text, not by default though but, wiiie!
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Ah-oh, oh-ah . . . was going to copy some themes..
I am used to a portable, I have to go to the resource folder now and, the hidpi theme works, gives larger font for the pan for ex.

And, thanks Jack
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And, thanks Jack
You can take off the shades with that dark grey theming
Or is the white text too bright?
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LoL

For readability, there is room to lower the brightness, but I personally don't think I will mod your theme and comparing with the brightest stuff on REAPER's default then, nah, it is good.
I am Jack-taste-compatible.
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Wow. I just got a new ssd and reinsalled Kubuntu 17.04, REAPER, recompiled the latest libswell and loaded up a downloaded midi file to play with. I installed the EFMod_JN theme and the latest libswell.colortheme file that Jack posted. I'm impressed at how good it looks - and I just realized that I haven't even installed mscorefonts yet.
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For readability, there is room to lower the brightness, but I personally don't think I will mod your theme and comparing with the brightest stuff on REAPER's default then, nah, it is good.
I am Jack-taste-compatible.
Hehe. I'd probably go a little bit green too personally
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What ever matches our fav theme or shoes would be fine.

Eric, can you open the libSwell.colortheme file and change the size of the menu? I could not for some reason on Kubuntu 17.04.
If you can, you know why.. I could not and how to solve it? should I go back to Kubuntu.
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What ever matches our fav theme or shoes would be fine.

Eric, can you open the libSwell.colortheme file and change the size of the menu? I could not for some reason on Kubuntu 17.04.
If you can, you know why.. I could not and how to solve it? should I go back to Kubuntu.
I can open the libSwell.colortheme in Kate and edit it. I'm not sure what setting to change for menu size.Lots of color and font size entries, but I'm quite happy with how it currently looks with Jack's selections.
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Just a random Linux audio tip that might help some people out if you use a usb audio interface. USB audio in Linux seems to work best in even millisecond chunks. This is a good list to help you select the best settings for your device:

http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/list..._usb_interface

It does seem to make a difference on my Zoom R16.You'll notice the "240 spls" from my previous screenshot. 192 also works. But the more typical 256 or 512 don't work well for it with 2 periods per buffer.
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menubar_font_size 13 is in the middle, Ctrl + F should be search and you can change back just as easy and save.
Just need to know if it was Me or not so I can sleep tonight etc.
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menubar_font_size 13 is in the middle, Ctrl + F should be search and you can change back just as easy and save.
Just need to know if it was Me or not so I can sleep tonight etc.
I was able to make the menubar thick and the font really big. So it seems to be working in Kubuntu.

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Thank you Eric! so it was ME, somehow and on an almost fresh install, hmm, dat SmajjL is incredible.

Ps: back to Kubuntu, I must, I shall, I should, now? oki! you convinced me, bbl...
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Confirmed, SmajjL is a moron.. no problems with Kubuntu..
The idea was to just get to know Linux learn and have fun, but it is turning out like Windows could be my secondary OS (by choice) for stuff that simply ain't supported yet (top games or something) not Linux fault or mine, I think.
And I will adapt and make choices with Linux in mind so I don't end up with a brick.

If REAPER Media Explorer don't see your D:/ or what ever HD with samples, just make a link to the desktop is enough, no need to copy.
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Yes [, they are making a native linux version]. Might still take awhile to reach parity with the win version though, but it's already more than usable.

We also lately have SWS & Reapack available for linux. Some things are still missing like Video, Elastique and other odds and ends. Since it draws the windows menuing system through swell, there a still a few things looking odd or missing, but it's getting more complete day by day.

I used to think about it as an alpha, but I'm beginning to think of it as beta. I am planning to start tracking with it on my laptop in the near future.
Awesome! Glad to hear they are supporting linux as well.
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And ah yeah (old news but) I have not tried these yet https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=424953
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Awesome! Glad to hear they are supporting linux as well.
Just for the record, I'm not aware that there's been an official announcement that the Linux version is or will be supported... last I heard it was a semi-experimental kind of thing with no promises attached. Given the amount of work being done on it, though, I'd be surprised if it doesn't come to full fruition. We're certainly all pulling for it. :-) Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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