Old 10-30-2015, 03:32 PM   #1
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A short solo in the Dorian mode. All comments appreciated.

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Old 11-01-2015, 02:44 AM   #2
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I'm seriously planning to record myself playing spanish classical guitar, specifically 'recuerdos de la alhambra'. For YOU Tim. Because you are one of my favourite people around here. But most likely I will put it on my YouTube and then P.M. you, rather than start a thread here.

(at which people would say 'oh look that hamish guy is trying to play classical guitar now') I guess we can see where this is going...
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Nice phrasing.

I watched the video a few times trying to figure out which key this was played. When I gave up trying to do it by ears I read in the description it was E Dorian.

This kind of video pushes me to never forget the modes and scales. The fun pushes me towards pentatonics but those extra notes always fit somewhere.

Thx for the lesson somehow. Still learning from this end.
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Old 11-02-2015, 08:34 AM   #5
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I'm seriously planning to record myself playing spanish classical guitar, specifically 'recuerdos de la alhambra'. For YOU Tim. Because you are one of my favourite people around here. But most likely I will put it on my YouTube and then P.M. you, rather than start a thread here.
Yes, do it.
Thanks much, hamish.
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Old 11-02-2015, 08:37 AM   #6
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Nice phrasing.

I watched the video a few times trying to figure out which key this was played. When I gave up trying to do it by ears I read in the description it was E Dorian.

This kind of video pushes me to never forget the modes and scales. The fun pushes me towards pentatonics but those extra notes always fit somewhere.

Thx for the lesson somehow. Still learning from this end.
Thank you frkasper. The Dorian scale always has such a great sound to it... something about that raised 6th degree (compared to natural minor).
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too short!
Hi Sammy. Yeah, short - the backing part is a simple 4 bar rhythm exercise using 16ths from a method book I use in my teaching. I recorded this to show my students one way it can be made into more than just a rhythm exercise.
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... something about that raised 6th degree (compared to natural minor).
Sounds cool. Just some thoughts about my experience with modes.

A few years back I spent 8 months graphing out all the modes and their relationships, because I wanted to be able to play strong sounding modes on the fly. ie: Hit the exact notes required to force modal sound changes.

Eventually I started seeing modes as intervals. eg: Dorian replaces the minor6th with major6th. Therefore, the Dorian mode is more "major" sounding than Aeolian (natural minor).

If you extend that thinking to Phrygian. Then, Phrygian replaces the major2nd, with a minor2nd. ie: More minor sounding, than Aeolia.

I also think of mode overlapping.

ie: D Dorian shares 6 notes with D Mixolydian and D Aeolian. Or, another way to think of it, only one note separates Dorian from either Mixolydian or Aeolian.

Therefore, in order to maximize the Dorian sound, you must make sure you hit on the intervals which separate it from its overlapping modes. (Otherwise how would someone know you are playing Dorian ?)

Basically, the Minor3rd and Major6th only appear together in Dorian. None of the other 6 modes have both those intervals.

Therefore, those 2 intervals should be emphasized to achieve a strong sounding Dorian melody.

For me, this was the key to playing strong modes. Being able to identify the two notes that make the biggest impact. And then, hit those notes exactly when I want to change modes.
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Thanks for posting this, as it happens iv'e been messing with modes myself lately, something i do every so often but usually get too confused and end
up getting pissed off and go back to whats familiar .

Modes still do my head in i mean i know the shapes and positions to a certain degree but i still don't know how to use them in my everyday playing.

And they aren't much use if i can't work them into my songs or when jaming etc, but i'm still working on it

That being said i did a collab with a friend a few years back
and it started out as an exercize in Dorian mode, E Dorian in fact
and i turned into a song which was kind of nice.

If your interested check my soundcloud page ( in my sig )
and listen to "The mighty reveal" the guitar solo is
based around the Dorian mode.

Cheers
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Sounds cool. Just some thoughts about my experience with modes...
Thanks Derek. There are so many approaches to modes. I think it's good to have a balance between analytical understanding and the feel for the simple flavor of the various modes. I use dorian, phrygian and mixolydian a lot.
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Old 11-03-2015, 05:19 PM   #11
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Thanks for posting this, as it happens iv'e been messing with modes myself lately, something i do every so often but usually get too confused and end
up getting pissed off and go back to whats familiar .

Modes still do my head in i mean i know the shapes and positions to a certain degree but i still don't know how to use them in my everyday playing.

And they aren't much use if i can't work them into my songs or when jaming etc, but i'm still working on it

That being said i did a collab with a friend a few years back
and it started out as an exercize in Dorian mode, E Dorian in fact
and i turned into a song which was kind of nice.

If your interested check my soundcloud page ( in my sig )
and listen to "The mighty reveal" the guitar solo is
based around the Dorian mode.

Cheers
I'll check that tune out. Thanks Wolffman,
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