Old 06-18-2017, 09:56 PM   #1
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Hello, longtime lurker. infrequent poster. Doing the best I can by myself in my basement.

Anyhoo, I've been working on an album on/off for over a year. I think this song is just about done. Appreciate some feedback on the mix.

Thanks in advance!

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Old 06-18-2017, 10:42 PM   #2
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I liked this!
Lots of variation.
The only thing was the guitar lick in the beginning. Have you tried adding a second? I think it would sound good with harmonies.
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Old 06-19-2017, 04:34 AM   #3
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Very fine songwriting. I don't listen to too much pop, but I could listen to this more than a whooooole lot of other stuff in the genre. Nice balance in the mix too.
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Old 06-19-2017, 10:44 AM   #4
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thanks for giving a listen and giving some feedback! I seem to struggle with getting my mixes to sound good on a variety of systems.

Msundh--I'll have to experiment with your suggestion and see how it sounds.

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Old 06-19-2017, 10:59 AM   #5
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Hello, longtime lurker. infrequent poster. Doing the best I can by myself in my basement.

Anyhoo, I've been working on an album on/off for over a year. I think this song is just about done. Appreciate some feedback on the mix.

Thanks in advance!

Sam


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Nice!
Intro feels interesting.
Solo-guitar feels a little out of style arrangement-wise.
Many good elements.
A little pitchy on chorus,
and could be served with some nice produced backgrouund-vocals.

I feel the rock/guitar-part should be softened, rethinked, focusing a little more in the pop-direction.
Nice drums.

Very well done if this is the first you've made!
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Old 06-19-2017, 08:11 PM   #6
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G-sun, thanks for your comments. I appreciate your insight.

I actually have struggled with the bridge/solo for a long time. I agree it could be better. Were you imagining more of a synth/orchestra/violin type of groove there instead of the dirty guitars and guitar solo?

Ive been trying to avoid much autotune/melodyne on the lead vocals out of principle but maybe here and there. This is actually a hard song for me to sing and not drift a little on those held chorus notes.

Ive been singing all my life but i admit i am clueless how to write or produce the type of bg vocals you mention. I know exactly what you mean, though.

Ive dabbled in using daw's for a long time but this album is my first serious project where it's just me for everything.

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Old 06-19-2017, 08:56 PM   #7
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Hi Sam. (I like violent titles....)

By this title I mean : did you just began ?
Is this your 2 only songs ?
Is it your voice ?
Do you play some or is it VSTI ?

To be sincere, I prefer "Haunted" by far but both sounds very good to me. In a way, it reminds me some 80's american pop.

You deserve to make some more of this.

Excuse my English. Bye
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Old 06-19-2017, 09:49 PM   #8
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Jeranx,

My thread title was meant to mean this was the first time ive posted a song in this forum for some critical opinions. Not that it is the first song ive done with reaper or a DAW. I actually helped my band make an album in the early 2000'S on cakewalk pro audio 9, but my lead guitar player at the time was a computer genius who made a lot of difficult things easy. Since then ive dabbled in recording some songs in reaper (and tracktion for a bit) but this is my first really serious effort since then at trying to really get some of my songs recorded well. And i am no computer genius. Ive been trying to do it all myself and hopefully get better as i go.

My album is going to have 9 songs total i think. 8 new ones and a prev recorded one that im proud of. Mostly pop rockish i guess. They are mostly done except for some vocal recording and some mixing. And perhaps trying to incorporate some good ideas from crital listeners who may notice things i dont or suggest things i didnt think of.

All the singing is me.

Drums are ezdrummer2. Bass and most of the synths i use in some other songs are mostly sampletank 3. I actually play most of the vsti parts except for drums on a Yourock guitar midi controller as im not a piano player. Use a couple samples here and there. Guitars are me playing direct and then using mostly Scuffham S-gear.

I grew up in the 80's so that makes perfect sense and brings a smile to my face!!

Thank you! Im glad you like "Haunted". It takes me back to a very sad day in my life but has a little light at the end i like to think.

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Old 06-20-2017, 07:55 AM   #9
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Jeranx,

My thread title was meant to mean
Hi Sam. That's what I meant by "Excuse my English".
I've learned it from 77 to 81 then I left school. Then I practiced it mostly in India
for a while and now with my Airbnb guests.

I'll follow you on Soundcloud. Hope you'll share the coming songs

Anyway, keep doing this
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Listened​ a second time.
I agree with g-sun about the disted guitar.
I don't agree with you about pitch correction when it comes to recordings. Live maybe.
One goal: make it sound as good as possible.
Hunted is a much better production, but I liked this song better.
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Old 06-20-2017, 09:51 AM   #11
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Nice job!

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Ive been trying to avoid much autotune/melodyne on the lead vocals out of principle but maybe here and there.
That's good, it's good for your singing at the end of the day because you may be tempted to use mixing as a crutch. However, it has to work with the song if you decide to keep it, as there are plenty of songs with slight pitch issues that sound great, but if on notes that are held long, not as much. This is a strength of vibrato FWIW, it can help mask this on longer notes when vibrato is appropriate.
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G-sun, thanks for your comments. I appreciate your insight.

I actually have struggled with the bridge/solo for a long time. I agree it could be better. Were you imagining more of a synth/orchestra/violin type of groove there instead of the dirty guitars and guitar solo?
Sam,

there are many guitar-parts that work well here
yet
0.24; 1.05; is not fitting/serving the song so well. imo
Bridge solo: Goes a little into rock, and seems a little misplaced soundwise. Nice idea though.
You might use your el.guitar, but feel into what would serve the song. Maybe some over-the-top distorted/fx el.guitar?
Or something on the cleaner side?

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Ive been trying to avoid much autotune/melodyne on the lead vocals out of principle but maybe here and there. This is actually a hard song for me to sing and not drift a little on those held chorus notes.
Your song, your choice, but I think a little pitch-nudging could serve the production

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Ive been singing all my life but i admit i am clueless how to write or produce the type of bg vocals you mention. I know exactly what you mean, though.
Stacked harmonies, pretty hard tuned, I guess. But, I'm no expert

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Ive dabbled in using daw's for a long time but this album is my first serious project where it's just me for everything.

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It's no small task at all. You're brave and talented.
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Old 06-21-2017, 06:44 PM   #13
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thanks all for your thoughts/ideas and kind words of encouragement!

Plan to work on the bridge and see if I can't come up with something better. However, at the moment I'm starting to hate this song I've been listening to it so much so I'm gonna work on getting some more vocals recorded for other songs and then revisit it in a week or two with hopefully fresher ears.

I've been telling friends/co-workers this project will be done in "a couple months" for about 8 months now. Gotta get crackin' on it. I don't know, you ever get the feeling that the closer you get to finishing your own album you sort of drag your heels a bit, as then it's out there for everyone to hear and judge, which is frightening in a way??

I'll post some more songs here as I go.

thanks again!

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