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01-07-2015, 08:23 AM
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::R5 Themes- new tinting options
Could there be a little more info regarding the new tinting options.
version 5- needed for new tinting options
tinttcp x
peaksedges x
The part i find puzzling is the numbers that are used for tinttcp and peaksedges. Could someone from the dev team or WT chime in on these.
Also why there isnt a tintmcp option (or is it planned for a later pre)
Thanks
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01-07-2015, 08:43 AM
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+1 please.
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01-07-2015, 09:18 AM
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The tcp doesn't refer to the TCP, its the tinting settings in general. Its a way to override the preferences if certain settings wouldn't work with your theme. The numbers are taken from the reaper.ini file. The setting there can be forced by using it in those rtconfig header entries.
In the def I'm disabling all tinting and doing it with the new transparency instead.
All this will be documented in due time. It would be very unwise to incorporate any of this into a theme at the moment unless you're ready for it possible changing. Alpha, and all that.
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01-07-2015, 09:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by White Tie
The tcp doesn't refer to the TCP, its the tinting settings in general. Its a way to override the preferences if certain settings wouldn't work with your theme. The numbers are taken from the reaper.ini file. The setting there can be forced by using it in those rtconfig header entries.
In the def I'm disabling all tinting and doing it with the new transparency instead.
All this will be documented in due time. It would be very unwise to incorporate any of this into a theme at the moment unless you're ready for it possible changing. Alpha, and all that.
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Thanks for the input.
I just wanted to open a discussion regarding this topic so we can prepare for these things in the meantime until v5 is official.
Edit: I went looking into REaper.ini and found the numbers- they actually refer to the preferences that can be set for appearance (tinting- panels and name labels, edges of wave peaks)
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01-07-2015, 03:46 PM
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Hey Janne83
I'm using
tinttcp 811
peaksedges 651
https://stash.reaper.fm/22830/V5-colored.png
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01-10-2015, 06:23 AM
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After some testing I like these transparency additions- actually it finally enabled me to achieve a simple colored bar indication for track color.
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Last edited by Janne83; 01-10-2015 at 12:10 PM.
Reason: Taken down for the time being/ wanted to show it as an example
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01-10-2015, 08:09 AM
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Ha! there we go! don't know how long ive been having a mental FR about that one.. finally.. haleluljah.
Good job Janne and also good job with this theme, you are really onto something and my favourite theme needs to watch out, so close.
I could be specific about what the "improvements" would be, but i have developed a critique fobia and it would be biased towards myself anyway so, bleh.
Good job! (smacks on xxx!)
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01-10-2015, 08:20 AM
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Yes, that looks great!
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01-10-2015, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SmajjL
Ha! there we go! don't know how long ive been having a mental FR about that one.. finally.. haleluljah.
Good job Janne and also good job with this theme, you are really onto something and my favourite theme needs to watch out, so close.
I could be specific about what the "improvements" would be, but i have developed a critique fobia and it would be biased towards myself anyway so, bleh.
Good job! (smacks on xxx!)
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Its just a testing phase atm. I wanted to test the transparency options- I really like how finally we can achieve identical color of items and control panels.
Its derivate will be released when 5 goes official to avoid any risk of the pre phase(maybe well get some more theming additions in the meantime). Also it will have some time to breathe.
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01-10-2015, 09:12 AM
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I know, witch means things can only get even better and i actually use R5 pre right now anyway as my main.
Does not take long to fix this up yourself and if things change, so will i, no problemo for personal use.
Like i would wait for someone else to do it for me or wait 6 months.. yeah right c'mooon. (themers insider humor)
Besides, making stuff yourself is according to my calculations, 69 times faster anyway.
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01-10-2015, 10:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Janne83
After some testing I like these transparency additions- actually it finally enabled me to achieve a simple colored bar indication for track color.
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Wow, I can't believe that's finally possible. It's incredible how much neater that instantly makes things look. Can it also be done in the TCP?
I'm amazed this feature isn't in the default 5 theme.
Excellent theme by the way. Any chance you could release a WIP version? Waiting until Reaper 5 goes official just to bypass the terrible default tinting options would be torture.
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01-10-2015, 10:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Janne83
I really like how finally we can achieve identical color of items and control panels.
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How ?
The default v5 theme is massively different between colored items and TCP/MCP
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01-10-2015, 10:17 AM
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Looks to me it's was to easy, just make what ever you don't want colored no alpha what so ever, and what you do want colored, alpha (transparency)
Just paint something on your mcp_bg with a tiny eraser brush on top of no alpha and see it work beautifully, love it, this part needs improvement? looks fine to me.
Anyways, early days and the odds beeing wrong is high, i am happy with this none the less. a pre thank you devs and Tie
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01-10-2015, 10:30 AM
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punk, Tie fixed that on pre4, making the MCP and TCP identical graphically.
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01-10-2015, 10:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Janne83
After some testing I like these transparency additions- actually it finally enabled me to achieve a simple colored bar indication for track color.
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That's great! I'd suggest this for the default theme and cross my fingers
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01-10-2015, 10:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmajjL
punk, Tie fixed that on pre4, making the MCP and TCP identical graphically.
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What ?
I said making items the same color as TCP/MCP as Janne suggested, not MCP and TCP identical, they always have been able to do that
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01-10-2015, 10:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gpunk_w
How ?
The default v5 theme is massively different between colored items and TCP/MCP
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Yep,Im reffering to the color correlation between (tcp,Mcp) and color of items, not relation between tcp an mcp.
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01-10-2015, 10:59 AM
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OK, let me be clearer
How do you get 'Items' to be the same color as 'TCP/MCP'
Damn i wish English was my second language
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01-10-2015, 11:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro
That's great! I'd suggest this for the default theme and cross my fingers
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Lets leave the default theme proposition out of this please And to say I actually like the progress thats been made on the default so far.
Im sure this test project of mine will meld into a nice custom theme(with all the layouts an options) in time when r5 gets released and well be able to enjoy both. (this one and the default one)
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01-10-2015, 11:05 AM
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Nope, and what i am trrrying to tell you is that identical graphics equals identical colors Even with items.
Last edited by SmajjL; 01-10-2015 at 11:33 AM.
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01-10-2015, 11:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gpunk_w
OK, let me be clearer
How do you get 'Items' to be the same color as 'TCP/MCP'
Damn i wish English was my second language
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R5 introduces a transparency option(you couldnt do that in R4 because it displayed white bg- thats why some of the themers used the hack to get only a strip tinted,not the whole panel)- use the same transparency on TCP/MCP and Itembg and you get exactly the same tint on both sides.
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01-10-2015, 11:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Janne83
Lets leave the default theme proposition out of this please And to say I actually like the progress thats been made on the default so far.
Im sure this test project of mine will meld into a nice custom theme(with all the layouts an options) in time when r5 gets released and well be able to enjoy both. (this one and the default one)
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Too late
I just used your image as an example
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01-10-2015, 11:20 AM
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Correction, the default items looks identical.
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01-10-2015, 11:20 AM
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From Cockos' side item colors are finally fixed since 5pre1.
You can use transparency in item bg images and it will not mix with the arrange background color anymore. If "tint item background" is set the proper item tint color will shine through the transparent area. With no custom color it will be the item background colors from theme editor.
In other words it's now possible to show exact and identical custom colors in tcp, mcp and items and it can be the same color as on color swatches (eg in the track manager) and the color picker .
Alas there still is a bug left with MIDI note colors in the MIDI editor as well as the inline editor. Although it's probably considered a nitpick, I hope it will get a fix:
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...64&postcount=2
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01-10-2015, 11:24 AM
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*puh* that was a close call.
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01-10-2015, 11:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro
Too late
I just used your image as an example
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Nice. High five.
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01-10-2015, 11:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gofer
From Cockos' side item colors are finally fixed since 5pre1.
You can use transparency in item bg images and it will not mix with the arrange background color anymore. If "tint item background" is set the proper item tint color will shine through the transparent area. With no custom color it will be the item background colors from theme editor.
In other words it's now possible to show exact and identical custom colors in tcp, mcp and items and it can be the same color as on color swatches (eg in the track manager) and the color picker .
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Gofer, since you know about this could you please tell me what I can suggest to make items readable again? I mean, when items are not selected they show the exact color we chose and it looks fine but when I select them they're a blend of white and whatever color I chose which makes them look too washed out. Also, when tracks are frozen colors change too much.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gofer
From Cockos' side item colors are finally fixed since 5pre1.
You can use transparency in item bg images and it will not mix with the arrange background color anymore. If "tint item background" is set the proper item tint color will shine through the transparent area. With no custom color it will be the item background colors from theme editor.
In other words it's now possible to show exact and identical custom colors in tcp, mcp and items and it can be the same color as on color swatches (eg in the track manager) and the color picker .
Alas there still is a bug left with MIDI note colors in the MIDI editor as well as the inline editor. Although it's probably considered a nitpick, I hope it will get a fix:
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...64&postcount=2
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I am completely unable to do this in my theme, i will investigate further and then see if it is a bug
has anybody got a working matched bg_item and TCP or MCP image i can take a look at
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Originally Posted by gpunk_w
I am completely unable to do this in my theme, i will investigate further and then see if it is a bug
has anybody got a working matched bg_item and TCP or MCP image i can take a look at
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you need to add: version 5 at the top of the rtconfig to enable the tranparency. But please note that v4 will not be able to show transparency- it will show white bg.
Also as WT suggested in this thread dont be to hasty with these changes because options/functionality can change during the pre period.
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01-10-2015, 12:11 PM
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I have version 5 in my rtconfig
I am guessing what i am doing is just not supported, i am trying to get the label background coloring of TCP/MCP to match items, and it simply does not
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01-10-2015, 12:20 PM
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Using alpha on items and make only the outline colored is cool.
How hard is it to swap themes and only mess with the unpacked one really should something change.
I don't take it as a global warning of disasterness.
Disobey and mess now! i say.
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01-10-2015, 12:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gpunk_w
I have version 5 in my rtconfig
I am guessing what i am doing is just not supported, i am trying to get the label background coloring of TCP/MCP to match items, and it simply does not
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are you using the tinttcp and peakedges commands? They are not necessary-they just override the tinting options in preferences/appearance area- they dont control how much tint there is applied. They refer to numbers in reaper.ini that control those preferences (tint labe, tint backgroun, none and peaks with fancy edge or without.)
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01-10-2015, 12:33 PM
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Anychance you can just upload your rtconfig and reaper.ini for me to look at
I think it might be a bug, cause i am getting some very strange behaviour
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01-10-2015, 12:41 PM
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Anychance you can just upload your rtconfig and reaper.ini for me to look at
I think it might be a bug, cause i am getting some very strange behaviour
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Actually the numbers in reaper.ini are very unrelated/scrambled- they depend on your tinting/waveform look settings in you preferences. Search for them in [REAPER] section of .ini
Also can you upload a screen of what youre trying to do?
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01-18-2015, 06:52 PM
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V5 Tinting
Matching color separators
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01-18-2015, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Janne83
Actually the numbers in reaper.ini are very unrelated/scrambled- they depend on your tinting/waveform look settings in you preferences. Search for them in [REAPER] section of .ini
Also can you upload a screen of what youre trying to do?
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Sorry Janne, hadn't noticed this post, will get something sorted
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01-19-2015, 03:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gpunk_w
I have version 5 in my rtconfig
I am guessing what i am doing is just not supported, i am trying to get the label background coloring of TCP/MCP to match items, and it simply does not
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That may explain the confusion. I didn't even try it with label backgrounds yet. I stamp out a dedicated area on tcp and mcp for colors.
I just checked and yes, it seems tinting still doesn't work nice on tcp/mcp label backgrounds. Transparency on namebg.png images are still mixing in some unwanted color.
Personally I am much happier with a dedicated color area than with using label background as I can now choose custom colors without taking the label font color into account (as to keep track names readable). But it should work, of course.
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01-19-2015, 10:49 AM
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Ive used a strip of mcp.bg and the label tinting is turned off. Labels wouls somehow work if you would combine them with mcp_bg transparency.
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01-19-2015, 10:51 AM
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Yep, same here. And I have a strip on tcp_bg as well.
Still, label tinting should be optimized, too.
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01-24-2015, 01:14 AM
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Hmmm...Didn't test the tcp label backgrounds but, AFAICS, I get the exact choosed track color in the mcp label ones. For this, I simply filled the mcp_namebg.png with RGB 0,0,0 and a complete transparency for it...
EDIT: tried to post an image and, of course, it doesn't work : seems that even displaying a 117kb file is too much asking for this forum management... FWIW, it's here : https://stash.reaper.fm/v/23001/Piolit5_Capture.png
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