Old 04-24-2017, 11:31 AM   #81
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I did suggest a more primitive version of this idea a few months back (December, January time?) but it got little support at the time - I think people thought it would add too much work to the voting process, and take away the subjective element involved in judging a mix. But maybe times have changed?
I'd certainly be in favour of achieving a level of consistency in the voting process, but which criteria would we use? I'm not sure it would be helpful to jump into weeks of debate trying to decide how to structure things, but I think I asked originally if any of our more experienced hands had any knowledge of how other mix competitions are/were judged. So, anyone know? Might avoid reinventing that round thing on the corners of cars, eh?
Ya, I remember that, it's a good idea, it depends on how it is setup though. Some help from experienced people would be great also. It depends on the contest though, how similar we want it to be, because we don't want anything too elaborate, but I guess that's maybe pretty common. I'm thinking how things are weighted might matter also, but, idk how to weight it.

In my example above, I said we could score 5 for every category, but I think that's a mistake. Idk what's the right way though. That's what's tough for me. I mean, I get to a mix and I'm like "I like how the levels are in this one, but I don't like that reverb on the whatever. On this other one, I like that part better, but this other part, I don't like as much." And that's where it gets a bit tough for me.


I also usually immediately learn what people aren't going to like about my mix, whenever I hear the other submissions. That helps me see what I can improve as well. I know something I would change for this one already.

Someone said earlier that they chose the best sounding mix on their laptop speakers. I agree that sounding good on a lot of speakers is important, but I think it's more important that a mix sounds good on a good system, than it does on laptop speakers. If someone gets these nice headphones or whatever and listens to your mix and it sounds like garbage, but it sounds nice on your laptop speakers, that's not ideal, imo. For me, it's better the other way around, although you do want to get your mix sounding good on a lot of speakers. For me though, I think it is faster for voting to just listen on your go to system, and judge like that, and the variety of systems people have should take care of the "good on every system" factor, so we don't need to worry about that, and take the time to listen on multiple speakers for voting.
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Old 04-24-2017, 11:55 AM   #82
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guys I checked the votes and 13 people have already voted! in just 2-3 days! You're amazing! :O
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Old 04-25-2017, 11:00 AM   #83
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guys I checked the votes and 13 people have already voted! in just 2-3 days! You're amazing! :O
Right back atcha Dave old son.
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Old 04-26-2017, 01:31 PM   #84
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yep, everything is now online you can also vote
Done today. As a participant I did not evaluate my own mix. How do you do this?
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Old 04-26-2017, 03:30 PM   #85
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I'm pretty sure you just vote for the one you think sounds best.
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Old 04-26-2017, 03:36 PM   #86
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At least most people don't include themselves in the voting. I have my own personal vote where I include myself and see where I think I am, but I only ever vote for 3 mixes I like most, myself not included.

That's really what we are supposed to do on the honor system. But some people might vote for themselves anyway. It's impossible to know. Not such a big deal though, there is no prize or anything for winning.
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So even if you think your mix was best, you vote for someone else? That doesn't sound right to me. While I think it's tough for some to honestly vote for someone else with a better mix, I don't think it should be a "rule", considering sometimes YOUR mix, will honestly be the best to your ears.
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Old 04-26-2017, 06:46 PM   #88
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So even if you think your mix was best, you vote for someone else? That doesn't sound right to me. While I think it's tough for some to honestly vote for someone else with a better mix, I don't think it should be a "rule", considering sometimes YOUR mix, will honestly be the best to your ears.

The only thing that we can do for this situation, is that the judge don´t participate in the contest.
Otherwise, i totally agreed with your point of view.
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Old 04-26-2017, 08:37 PM   #89
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I would never vote for my own mix, no matter what. It's just wayyyy to relative what "sounds best"...

For example, if I really really really like reverb and swamp my mix with mega-reverb, then of course all the other mixes will not have enough reverb, and my MIX will be the best. Or, if I have really bad speakers and I can't hear the low end properly, then I'll put huge amounts of bass in my mix, and all the other mixes will suck when compared to mine.

But in the grand scheme of things my mix will probably sucks for 99% of the population, and they will let me know in the voting process.

See what I mean?!

No, I would not vote for myself.

Not to mention that most people, including myself, have been conditioned (i.e. socially engineered) to have narcissistic tendencies. This contest if a great occasion to learn humility and modesty. Not to mention a kick in the ego when you think you had a good mix and very little votes came your way.
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Old 04-26-2017, 11:19 PM   #90
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if we all voted for our own mix - nobody would win!
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we just hit 16 votes! This makes April the most successful month for the voting stage after the first 2 months which were kinda still a bit of an experiment!
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The way I see it is- every mix/mixer is a winner.
The very act of taking part in something a community creates-is the real value and prize. {imo}
Reasults will still be different even if all used the same plugins.
The odds of 2 or more people hitting the same spots on faders and plugin parameters,are fairly high 1 would imagine.
I guess as participant numbers increased,them odds decrease.
Thanks to DaveKeehl for inviting people to enter.
I feel competition is a double edged sword- 1 side it's another way to war (although most peacefully) // the other side is these things bring out the creative and record making\/breaking - part of peoples.
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So even if you think your mix was best, you vote for someone else?
Ya, I personally think it's better that way. There a re points both ways, but I prefer it that way, and that's the way most people have been doing it, afaik.

If this was some real competition with a prize, then obviously vote for yourself and everybody would and should, but it's not a competition like that.

One advantage, is that if we assume the best producers have the best ears and setup to judge better, then removing themselves, shares that for one more track. There are other reasons also.

It doesn't actually matter who wins, so why would you vote for yourself, even if you have the best mix?

That shouldn't make you lose, first of all, since it is a pts system, but also, even if you have the better mix and you don't win, it doesn't really matter.

It's normal to like your own mix. You deliberately made it how it is. I just think it's better to remove yourself from the judging since you are biased.

Think of all the pts that would be spread out, if people voted for themselves. It's a better voting system with a small sample size to exclude yourself also, imo. All those pts normally wasted and cancelling out, would instead be spent on making a clear top 3.

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If we couldn't hear our own mixes in the lineup when voting, I'd agree 100%. But we do, and since the point is to vote for which sounds best, it seems silly to me to not vote for which sounds best. I have no problem hearing a better mix and voting for it, but if you do, I agree it makes sense to skip your own.

Just participating in the last two contests I've learned a lot about Reaper. Another thing that's interesting is how very distinctly different each mix sounds. Fun stuff, thanks for facilitating it Dave.

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we just hit 16 votes! This makes April the most successful month for the voting stage after the first 2 months which were kinda still a bit of an experiment!
So there were less voters than contributers last month!?
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If we couldn't hear our own mixes in the lineup when voting, I'd agree 100%. But we do, and since the point is to vote for which sounds best, it seems silly to me to not vote for which sounds best. I have no problem hearing a better mix and voting for it, but if you do, I agree it makes sense to skip your own.
Everybody is biased towards themselves, and the setup they made their mix on.

You can vote for yourself if you want to, but from what I can tell from prior discussions like this is a number of people don't. Imo, voting for yourself is in poor taste, and makes the friendly competition worse/gives less feedback to others. If that's what you want to do though, go right ahead, I won't try and stop you.
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Just add it to the rules.
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Only in poor taste of you heard better mixes and still voted for your own. When I found this page/ thread, i was (and still am) excited to study the winning mixes. It would be unfortunate and far less beneficial if voters weren't honestly voting for what they considered the best mix... increasing the likelihood a "best mix" doesn't win. I'm all for warm and fuzzy, but honestly voting seems more important to me.. either way, may the best mix win!

I'm such a novice with reaper, I'm eager to soak up all the knowledge I can!
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If you vote for your own mix, you still have to choose a second and third mix too. Even if everyone votes for himself, the best mix will come up through the second and third choices, no? In the end i don't think it really matters, the best one will win.
For me it feels awkward to vote on something I made myself, but that's me. I liked the project, had fun, learned some things by listening to others,feeling ashamed of my mistakes. We only win if it makes us better mixers.
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We only win if it makes us better mixers.
Great point man
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So there were less voters than contributers last month!?
Yes. 16 entries and 14 votes.

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Last day to vote folks. I'm going to close the survey tonight. The results will come out between tomorrow and Sunday morning (GMT+1 time)
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