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Old 07-01-2011, 03:33 AM   #1
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Default A Linux version of Reaper beta12 on LoL...

Hi all,

Did anyone else notice there is a Linux build of beta 12 in the "dev" directory on LoL?

Unfortunately, I cannot test it as my Linux box has an "ancient" version of glibc (2.7 instead of required 2.11)

Maybe now I have a very good reason for upgrading my Linux box venerable OS...

Kudos and profuse thanks for Cockos, anyway!

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Of course, if this is old news, I beg your pardon for wasting your time
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:36 AM   #2
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WHA? He's not kidding! I can't test it either, though.
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:41 AM   #3
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Wow! nice spotting
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Old 07-01-2011, 06:31 AM   #4
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This is great news. I've tried it and it really works, at least kind of

It actually starts and the things that happen inside the working area seems to work as expected. Native controls like tree views and the like will currently not show up and fonts are looking weird but it is a great start.

The attached image is from 32 bit Ubuntu 11.4 in a virtual box.

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Old 07-01-2011, 07:01 AM   #5
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Hmmm.. x64 doesn't run here. Clicking the executable does nothing. I'm not a linux expert, so having no idea why and how...

EDIT: ok, the included readme file confirmed that indeed I shouldn't be bothered at all..

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Old 07-01-2011, 07:30 AM   #6
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Yep I knew about it! It's been up since beta9. Pretty cool!
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Old 07-01-2011, 08:57 AM   #7
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ooOOOoooo- wow my interest is well and truly peaked!

unfortunately my linux box is in storage but as soon as it's out i'll be testing!

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Old 07-01-2011, 09:01 AM   #8
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... thats what im waiting for!

Keep them coming...
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Old 07-01-2011, 10:01 AM   #9
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I have never downloaded it, but i do have win Reaper running somewhat on wine. It actually works a bit, but it struggles because i do no know how to manipulate Jack, or Pulse audio
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Old 07-01-2011, 11:08 AM   #11
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I am looking forward to this...it has to be a tremendous amount of work!
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Old 07-01-2011, 11:15 AM   #12
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I am looking forward to this...it has to be a tremendous amount of work!
hopefully it yields some profit
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Old 07-01-2011, 11:59 AM   #13
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If the new Linux works... how much horse power will one gain vs. using Windows 7 Ultimate? (If any.)
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:40 PM   #14
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I'm not a Linux guy but I just found this. Might be a good up to date option for a distro.

http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=pardus
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:12 PM   #15
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If the new Linux works... how much horse power will one gain vs. using Windows 7 Ultimate? (If any.)
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:38 PM   #16
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So about how much time will be diverted from other stuff to work on this?
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:55 PM   #17
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So about how much time will be diverted from other stuff to work on this?
Not that much of our time, though maybe a little.. the idea is that other developers can go hack on WDL/swell in order to target whatever framework they like on Linux, using REAPER as a testbed.

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Old 07-01-2011, 03:09 PM   #18
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Not that much of our time, though maybe a little.. the idea is that other developers can go hack on WDL/swell in order to target whatever framework they like on Linux, using REAPER as a testbed.
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If the new Linux works... how much horse power will one gain vs. using Windows 7 Ultimate? (If any.)
I see this question frequently when it comes to Linux ports. I don't think this is the point of why it is beneficial to have a native Linux reaper system.

I think first and foremost, the benefit for me would be to get this damn dual boot off my pc. You see I have reaper and plugs on my win partition and EVERYTHING else on my Linux partition.

The next reason would have to be for the reaper community.
Look at it this way, Most Linux users are smart cats. If they see reapers model of nag screen only they will pay. I did. Just imagine the additional tools brought on board by people writing extensions etc. That right there is huge.

Third I think Linux needs a real DAW. Sorry ardour and rose-garden absolutely don't cut it. I don't see them getting it done right for a long time.

I think it is worthwhile, and at the same time, should probably live in the pre-release section for a while.
The amount of newbie questioning would be overwhelming at best.

Reaper being a true cross platform daw would be golden imho.

I anticipate a lot of greed and frustration over this unfortunately(due to peoples concern over slowed win/mac dev time). And I hope cockos continues on the native Linux version path, even if it is at a snails pace.

Now...time to test
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Old 07-02-2011, 02:04 PM   #20
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go! go! go!
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Old 07-02-2011, 05:10 PM   #21
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There is zero advantage to running in Linux, in fact it is a PITA to get good performance because the audio hardware support we have under Win/Mac is near non existent on Linux.

That being said it is good to see development on this continue i think.
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Old 07-02-2011, 05:17 PM   #22
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There is zero advantage to running in Linux, in fact it is a PITA to get good performance because the audio hardware support we have under Win/Mac is near non existent on Linux.
True. Although it gets better all the time. changing from freebob to ffado made it much easier to use fire-wire cards for example.
Jackd is great but confusing as hell to learn.
I think things would be much better if devices displayed product names and not things like hd0.

More people use linux everyday.
Hardware manufacturers need a reason to write good drivers for another OS. Large user base is required.
It will happen at some point.
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Old 07-02-2011, 10:05 PM   #23
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a good hardware to run Linux -> SomyP$3 console. lol
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More people use linux everyday.
Hardware manufacturers need a reason to write good drivers for another OS. Large user base is required.
It will happen at some point.
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Old 07-02-2011, 10:28 PM   #25
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ha ha...

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Old 07-03-2011, 04:23 AM   #26
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Now this is awesome!!! I use ubuntu every day, windows only when I'm recording/mixing. Bring it on!
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Old 07-03-2011, 05:02 AM   #27
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Man oh Man. This is really 'killer'! WOW
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:04 AM   #28
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But there is still that faint odour of "RSN" about full equality with the Win or even the OSX versions.

So - with little left to whine about re Linux....

What about the ADos version, then?


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Old 07-04-2011, 12:11 AM   #29
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Excuse me guys, where i can find it? i'd like to try it!

I use ubuntu everyday for everything, and i use windows only for reaper and plugins (and because there isn't linux driver for my tascam -.-)
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Old 07-04-2011, 12:32 AM   #30
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Woah, I can't believe it. Fonzy thumbs to Justin and crew.
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i found it, sorry. I didn't read the "dev" word in the first post, sorry again
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Old 07-04-2011, 06:24 AM   #32
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This is great!

Reaper (+ Renoise) on Linux would be excellent. Just need better support for audio hardware...

..... and maybe get Urs Heckmann to port all his stuff to Linux ;-)

I'm desperate to move away from using faceless corporate software. Windows makes me cry and Apple make me scream.
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Pretty strange that this stayed under the radar for more than three weeks... anyway, a few developers (daveisadork, Jack Winter and myself, that is) have already started taking this further, we've already made some good progress. However, don't expect too much too soon, we're not able to work full-time on it and we need to get used to Justin's WinAPI emulation and GTK (which was chosen as UI toolkit) first. Roughly estimated, it will take about a year until the Linux port is in a usable state.

If you are a skilled developer with some serious experience in WinAPI and GTK programming, you're welcome to join us! You can find my git repo here:
http://plug.404.mn/git/wdl.git
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Pretty strange that this stayed under the radar for more than three weeks... anyway, a few developers (daveisadork, Jack Winter and myself, that is) have already started taking this further, we've already made some good progress. However, don't expect too much too soon, we're not able to work full-time on it and we need to get used to Justin's WinAPI emulation and GTK (which was chosen as UI toolkit) first. Roughly estimated, it will take about a year until the Linux port is in a usable state.

If you are a skilled developer with some serious experience in WinAPI and GTK programming, you're welcome to join us! You can find my git repo here:
http://plug.404.mn/git/wdl.git
Thank you guys for jumping into this.
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Old 07-04-2011, 02:49 PM   #35
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Here is some screenshotness for your personal enjoyment:



At the moment there are just labels, buttons and text fields. More to come soon.
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Old 07-04-2011, 03:20 PM   #36
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This is very interesting news indeed,
Thank you, Cockos!

404NotFound: I have some knowledge of C++ and a basic grasp of GTK and I would like to help you if you think you need me, in any way even with just some extra testing.
I downloaded WDL from your git repo and I noticed that you 've done something with GTK3. But, although I managed to compile it successfully I get this error when I try to run reaper:

SWELL API not found: SWELL_SetListViewFastClickMask

Any hints?
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I'm desperate to move away from using faceless corporate software. Windows makes me cry and Apple make me scream.
What does it matter if the operating system is "faceless corporate software" or not, really? If it enables you to run the software you want to use...? You should also hate Cockos for keeping Reaper closed source by that same line of reasoning!
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This is very interesting news indeed,
Thank you, Cockos!

404NotFound: I have some knowledge of C++ and a basic grasp of GTK and I would like to help you if you think you need me, in any way even with just some extra testing.
I downloaded WDL from your git repo and I noticed that you 've done something with GTK3. But, although I managed to compile it successfully I get this error when I try to run reaper:

SWELL API not found: SWELL_SetListViewFastClickMask

Any hints?
Oh, looks like they added that to the API recently. I'll look into that later.
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What does it matter if the operating system is "faceless corporate software" or not, really? If it enables you to run the software you want to use...? You should also hate Cockos for keeping Reaper closed source by that same line of reasoning!
To clarify - I don't like the business practices of Apple and Microsoft. I like diversity in the marketplace - not monopolies. However - I use Apple because their stuff allows me to do what I need to do. I also support many small companies and contribute to some open source projects. Eventually, I'd prefer to be able to support only smaller companies and open source projects. So I always like to encourage (verbally, financially or by contribution) smaller companies with good customer engagement and fair pricing, open-source projects and companies that develop for Linux.

Don't agree? That's cool.
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True. Although it gets better all the time. changing from freebob to ffado made it much easier to use fire-wire cards for example.
Jackd is great but confusing as hell to learn.
I think things would be much better if devices displayed product names and not things like hd0.

More people use linux everyday.
Hardware manufacturers need a reason to write good drivers for another OS. Large user base is required.
It will happen at some point.
I love Linux and use it regularly. This concept has been around for at least 10 years now and we are still waiting for it to get in the same zip code as win/mac audio.

Lets face it, the Linux types are interested in about everything but the audio. IF there was any interest in that aspect it would have been addressed long ago. Its just not going to happen.

Its not 1998 anymore. MS has gotten their act together. XP SP3 was stable as hell. Vista was rushed but MS did not force you to upgrade. They maintained XP support. Windows 7 has been kick ass. No one hated MS as much as me 10 years ago but the reality is that the huge stability advantages Linux had 10 years ago just aren't there anymore.

About the only advantage left for audio purposes is cost
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