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10-03-2015, 12:24 AM
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Where to learn daw recording
I was wondering if anyone here knew where/ how to go about learning about recording/mixing/mastering via actual classes. Not so much school, but just lessons in person. I have no idea where to even check.
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10-03-2015, 12:39 AM
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if you were in the deep west of Germany I would know ...
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10-03-2015, 12:46 AM
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if you were in the north-east of Italy I would know ...
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10-03-2015, 12:56 AM
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Two hints and you still haven't put your location on your profile or in your Sig
Where on the planet are you? Someone might be able to help if we know
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10-03-2015, 01:38 AM
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Would you perhaps be interested in trying a free course like this?
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10-03-2015, 03:27 AM
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Or if you have a lot of cash...
http://www.berkleemusic.com/.
Have you watched Kenny Gioia's Groove3 videos on mixing? Lots of good stuff in the videos.
Good luck.
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10-03-2015, 03:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bluzkat
Or if you have a lot of cash...
http://www.berkleemusic.com/.
Have you watched Kenny Gioia's Groove3 videos on mixing? Lots of good stuff in the videos.
Good luck.
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I got suckered into buying one of those. I still want my money back.
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10-03-2015, 04:25 AM
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I second Kenny's vids.
They are truly the next best thing to haveing a teacher right next to you while you click away.
and he doesn't only explain reaper.. his vids on general mixing are AWESSSOOOOOOOME!
worth a hell of a lot more than the very cheap monthly fee he asks.
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10-03-2015, 04:51 PM
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Oh, sorry, I live near wheeling West Virginia. Wheeling is the closest city to me.
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10-03-2015, 05:03 PM
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Lot's and lot's of free stuff on the net!
Just put in the time.
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10-03-2015, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Neenja
I got suckered into buying one of those. I still want my money back.
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I gotta say that his videos are the best instructional vids I have seen on ANY subjects.
Clear, concise, and using examples to clearly illustrate the principles discussed.
https://soundcloud.com/mididreamer
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10-03-2015, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Studio Tan
I gotta say that his videos are the best instructional vids I have seen on ANY subjects.
Clear, concise, and using examples to clearly illustrate the principles discussed.
https://soundcloud.com/mididreamer
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And I still want my money and time back for the one I bought.
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10-03-2015, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Neenja
And I still want my money and time back for the one I bought.
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Did you communicate with Kenny G. about this?
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10-03-2015, 06:23 PM
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I don't know of anyone around here who does in person lessons that's not running a school of some kind although I suppose if you're willing to pay the hourly rate most any studio that's not fully booked might do it.
YouTube is really good for tips, I fully agree with that. Mostly not so much for formal learning though imo. I seriously doubt if (for example) you'd sit through YT videos about mastering and (with everything else being equal) learn anywhere near as much as someone learning in person from a real ME.
You can't ask YT questions, or have discussions with it... so it's better for tips.
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10-03-2015, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dea-man
Did you communicate with Kenny G. about this?
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Let's just say that some people don't take criticism well.
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10-03-2015, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Neenja
Let's just say that some people don't take criticism well.
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Kenny G. got mad at you?
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10-03-2015, 06:33 PM
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I know there are great yt videos, and I've seen a few, and will study them in further detail. But, when I run into a problem, I don't have someone to show me what I'm doing wrong or how to fix it. I can ask you all on here, of course, but it's harder not to be hands on and in person, so to speak.
Biggest problem I'm going through now is the same I posted a month ago, about the changes in loudness between drums and guitar. I tried compression and automation, but neither seem to help (or I'm prob doing something wrong). I'll post a sample clip when I get on my computer later. Maybe it'd be easier to get advise that way
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10-03-2015, 06:34 PM
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Contact a local studio and ask if they can tutor you for money. Studios are hurting for revenue flows... I highly doubt they will turn you down.
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10-03-2015, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Fergler
Contact a local studio and ask if they can tutor you for money. Studios are hurting for revenue flows... I highly doubt they will turn you down.
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Okay, cool. I didn't know they'd do that.
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10-03-2015, 06:41 PM
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Maybe try calling these guys - closest studio i could find that offers workshops and classes.
http://www.soundscape-studio.com/
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10-03-2015, 07:37 PM
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here's a quick test to what I'm talking about
Link below is a test example of what I need help with. I'm not keeping the fast drum track because it doesn't sound right with the slower drums before and after, but I do want to figure out how to fix this if I ever run into this problem. (the guitar gets considerably quieter when the fast drums start, then get loud again when they get slower). I've tried a couple different things and had no good result. On the kick, there's eq, compression and a limiter. And there's eq and a limiter on the snare. And eq on the guitars (using tsex50 for the distortion, and bod pluging (tse bass) for the bass.
https://soundcloud.com/troy-ray-mccombs/nutest
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10-03-2015, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by metallicaguy1
I was wondering if anyone here knew where/ how to go about learning about recording/mixing/mastering via actual classes. Not so much school, but just lessons in person. I have no idea where to even check.
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For the price of the Groove3 annual fee ($99 on sale), this would probably buy you 3 hours of one-on-one. The Groove3 gets you all titles for a year!
The main one's would be from Kenny Gioia. Try a few as a demo (ignore the one poster in this thread).... you will not be sorry.
Recording/mixing/mastering and everything audio you would want.
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10-04-2015, 12:06 AM
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Have you read Mike Senior's book "Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio"?
I think it's recording and mixing that you need help with and not necessarily how to use a DAW. Things like when to edit and when to re-record, using reference tracks and keeping perpective, ebb and flow -wearing producer hat vs engineer hat...
The stuff Kenny teaches is how to use the ins and outs of the DAW itself. Very good and necessary knowledge, but not broad enough for what you're looking for.
I'd certainly recommend Mike's book, I haven't read more than what I can see in Amazon's "look inside" for its companion "Recording Secrets...", but it seems just as good and just as useful. I'm always looking for new ideas and material to teach, and his real world, pragmatic, I've done it for real and have done for years approach does inspire confidence. His website is full of downloadable examples, too.
Hope this is helpful.
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10-04-2015, 07:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by metallicaguy1
Link below is a test example of what I need help with. I'm not keeping the fast drum track because it doesn't sound right with the slower drums before and after, but I do want to figure out how to fix this if I ever run into this problem. (the guitar gets considerably quieter when the fast drums start, then get loud again when they get slower). I've tried a couple different things and had no good result. On the kick, there's eq, compression and a limiter. And there's eq and a limiter on the snare. And eq on the guitars (using tsex50 for the distortion, and bod pluging (tse bass) for the bass.
https://soundcloud.com/troy-ray-mccombs/nutest
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Yeah, there's nothing subtle about that volume change. If you can't find a place in your area, then you should connect with someone on this forum to set up a Skype lesson. I would imagine someone like EpicSounds or even Kenny Gioia himself. Heck, I'll even do a first time freebie for you to just hunt down that guitar gain issue. Shouldn't take more than 5 minutes or so. After that, we could do an as needed thing with a PayPal payment. But contact EpicSounds through his site: http://reaperblog.net/#
I'm pretty sure this is right up his alley.
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10-04-2015, 08:34 AM
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My guess is that the extra kick in the fast section is compressing the guitars, which means they share a compressor, most likely on the master buss.
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10-04-2015, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Neenja
My guess is that the extra kick in the fast section is compressing the guitars, which means they share a compressor, most likely on the master buss.
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+1. But he didn't mention anything on the Master Buss, so I didn't go there.
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10-04-2015, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by chriscomfort
+1. But he didn't mention anything on the Master Buss, so I didn't go there.
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Am I wrong in thinking that track has the crap compressed/limited out of it?
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10-04-2015, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by metallicaguy1
Oh, sorry, I live near wheeling West Virginia. Wheeling is the closest city to me.
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Recording Workshop in Massieville, Ohio.
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10-04-2015, 01:19 PM
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So far I've done alright by asking technical questions here, and just searching the web for whatever else it is I want to learn. I read different web pages on a given topic. Watch videos on YouTube or elsewhere once in a while. Gosh, I've learned about so many things. It just takes time and a desire to know. I guess some here would disagree with me. And I suppose not everyone takes to self-guided instruction. But I like it cos you can go at your own pace, and you don't get stuck with one guy or gal's opinions.
Also, learning more than one daw can help with understanding the theory behind something. Say, for instance, side chain compression. Looking at fl studio helped me to better get scc with reaper, which I have finally settled down to as my daw of choice.
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10-04-2015, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by chriscomfort
Yeah, there's nothing subtle about that volume change. If you can't find a place in your area, then you should connect with someone on this forum to set up a Skype lesson. I would imagine someone like EpicSounds or even Kenny Gioia himself. Heck, I'll even do a first time freebie for you to just hunt down that guitar gain issue. Shouldn't take more than 5 minutes or so. After that, we could do an as needed thing with a PayPal payment. But contact EpicSounds through his site: http://reaperblog.net/#
I'm pretty sure this is right up his alley.
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Chris. I emailed epic sounds. If you just had to guess, what do you think could be causing this? Any general ideas?
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10-04-2015, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by metallicaguy1
Chris. I emailed epic sounds. If you just had to guess, what do you think could be causing this? Any general ideas?
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I think Neenja has a good point. Do you have a compressor on the master buss? If you do, his explanation is probably spot on. Can you see an obvious difference between the size/density of the guitar waveform between the two sections? Have you been mixing this project from the beginning or did you get it from someone else? There might be hidden automation. If you post a screen grab of the Arrange window with some kind of indication of the separate sections, we might be able to help better on here. Otherwise, like I said, we could Skype and figure it out.
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10-04-2015, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by chriscomfort
I think Neenja has a good point. Do you have a compressor on the master buss? If you do, his explanation is probably spot on. Can you see an obvious difference between the size/density of the guitar waveform between the two sections? Have you been mixing this project from the beginning or did you get it from someone else? There might be hidden automation. If you post a screen grab of the Arrange window with some kind of indication of the separate sections, we might be able to help better on here. Otherwise, like I said, we could Skype and figure it out.
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I'm up for a Skype. Does it cost?
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10-04-2015, 05:14 PM
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As soon as I heard ythe clip, my immediate thought was the compressor is set incorrectly for what you want.
have you tried just desabling the compressors to see if you still hear the same effect?
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10-04-2015, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dea-man
As soon as I heard ythe clip, my immediate thought was the compressor is set incorrectly for what you want.
have you tried just desabling the compressors to see if you still hear the same effect?
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Yeah, I've tried that, and have played with the controls quite a bit. I actually had the problem before I added any compression at all. There's a lot of drums there that take over. Anything fast and heavy (w/drums) I get this problem.
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10-04-2015, 05:26 PM
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Very strange.
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10-04-2015, 05:39 PM
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Not that I trust Soundcloud completely, but their waveform is pretty accurate and that file appears to be limited pretty hard and it has the symptoms of mixing into a limiter with the kick drums pushing the guitars down in the mix.
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10-04-2015, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by metallicaguy1
Chris. I emailed epic sounds.
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if you did, it didn't go through.
You can call me Jon at the REAPER Blog, even my kids do.
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10-04-2015, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Neenja
Not that I trust Soundcloud completely, but their waveform is pretty accurate and that file appears to be limited pretty hard and it has the symptoms of mixing into a limiter with the kick drums pushing the guitars down in the mix.
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Yeah, I added quite of bit of limiting to it. Not sure by what you mean by mixing into it, though. The kicks are loud soloed, but as soon as I had guitars and before compression and limiter, they're barely recognize able.
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10-04-2015, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by EpicSounds
if you did, it didn't go through.
You can call me Jon at the REAPER Blog, even my kids do.
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Okay. I sent an email, or at least I tried to, but maybe it's the wrong email or something. Hello, Jon
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10-04-2015, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by EpicSounds
if you did, it didn't go through.
You can call me Jon at the REAPER Blog, even my kids do.
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Oh, I sent the email under the questions, comments support. I don't see any other contact page
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