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Thanks for the response! I think we are talking about the same thing, but just have differing opinions.

I dont want to have to play with python or deal with a third party to get certain things to happen. I get that this is part of how reaper is structured, so I guess I dont expect it to change. Its just not the way I like things to happen.

If there were going to be extensions available for certain actions, I prefer to have an official Cockos solution available.

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I do get what you mean

Quite a few features do get created eventually by the devs at some point even though there are SWS versions if they are considered overall very useful to most users and not specialised (track manager and region manager as examples).

All that extensions are doing are allowing these things to be created faster and mostly more specific than if the devs put them in. Especially thigns that might be considered to be specialised areas.

Wouldn't you rather have something like cubase with the ability for users to create add ons for it? You would still have the exact same cubase but with more features if needed.

That's how reaper is now.

I'm curious what features you are talking about that are missing? Reaper 5 might be in development soon for all we know as it's been a while so it might get them in anyway
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Old 04-09-2014, 01:32 PM   #242
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there were going to be extensions available for certain actions, I prefer to have an official Cockos solution available.

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Why if it gets the job done?
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Old 04-09-2014, 04:41 PM   #243
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If there were going to be extensions available for certain actions, I prefer to have an official Cockos solution available.

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sometimes cockos adopts actions normally only available by extensions, like the drag zoom on the ruler in new betas. but there's no actual reason to be against extensions. sws is more responsive about feature requests anyway. just learn to love it. it's great.

everyone prefers an all-in-one solution. it's obviously better to have things included by default, just not always necessary. best not to make a mental issue out of it. it's like not wiping your butt because your preferred toilet paper is not in stock.

also, you can't really compare sws to python scripts. in the one you simply get a bunch of extra, extremely useful functions that you can use out of the box, in the other, you need to learn a new language and develop a new skill. apples and oranges... sws extensions are pretty transparent unless you're using new beta features and then you get to be a part of their development (only if you want).
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:21 PM   #244
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absolutely ^

plus, if they do stop working on the SWS, the guys have stated they will allow the reaper devs to put it in the full version or reaper so you won't suddenly loose these features. (unless that's changed but I completely believe it hasn't and even then the SWS stuff normally only "acts" on stuff temporarily and doesn't need to be installed for songs with it to still load)
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Old 04-09-2014, 07:56 PM   #245
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Lets see...

1. Switchable Pre/Post Fader Metering per track.

2. Peak and/or RMS(set by master track)metering per track. switchable peak, Rms, or both.
My top two as well.

I'll take a PFL toggle that affects all tracks. No need confusing me with a PFL on each track.

Same with Peak vs RMS.
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Old 04-09-2014, 08:30 PM   #246
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My top two as well.

I'll take a PFL toggle that affects all tracks. No need confusing me with a PFL on each track.
If you wanna play with the big boys you gotta put on your big boy pants...

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If you wanna play with the big boys you gotta put on your big boy pants...

Those aren't "big boy pants", they're geriatric diapers.

Traditional studios are dying, the home user / bedroom producer is where things have been headed for a very long time.

In my opinion, those needing a 1970's recording studio setup in a DAW have had their needs catered to for long enough, and there is plenty of capable software options.

Personally, I really hope Reaper 5 is looking forward, not backwards. Yes, that's subjective, but to me it means less recording oriented features and more production oriented features and workflow improvements (Bitwig/Live functionality implemented with the elegance and ease of Studio One) .
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Personally, I really hope Reaper 5 is looking forward, not backwards. Yes, that's subjective, but to me it means less recording oriented features and more production oriented features and workflow improvements (Bitwig/Live functionality implemented with the elegance and ease of Studio One) .
I am on the completely opposite , more recording oriented features and less "production" . But as long as reaper stays flexible as it is, the most important thing is, that we can still exchange projects, although we are on a completely different approach.....
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Old 04-11-2014, 05:48 AM   #249
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Musicbynumbers,

To be honest, I havent put forth an honest effort using the SWS stuff. I will give it a honest go before I BIT$CH too much.

I guess what I wish for is that there were two releases. One following the current format, and one with things included in the basic install (SWS Features, a typical users keyboard shortcuts, extra toolbars, etc).

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Old 04-11-2014, 07:05 AM   #250
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A lot of users are switching from reaper to Bitwig/StudioOne/Live for one reason :
They all have :
- Easy to use basic multi-pads drumsamplers (drag'n'drop)
- Easy to use basic samplers (drag'n'drop...)(in order to use your own sounds fast)
- Easy to use basic Synth, with of course some presets in it...
- better visuals.
- Some daws, like bitwig, includes easy swing function.

So...out of the box, you can compose and create easely.

You can't do that with Reaper.
One must search (try to find a good vsti sampler out there nowadays in order to use your own wav captures...good luck)(Native, Motu or Steinberg maybe ? with all those iloks and e-licensers troubles...and so on...please check out the price...)in order to fill those lacks.

I'll tend to say that you can easely find all sorts of vst effects to meet needs, but regarding composing, what works best must be included in the DAW.
At least basic instruments.
And please don't suggest ReaSynth or ReaSamplomatic, until you've tried others daws like bitwig/presonus/reason/live, etc...
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1: Pre-roll, with user-adjustable amounts.

2: Pre-roll, with user-adjustable amounts.

3: Pre-roll, with user-adjustable amounts.

4: Pre-roll, with user-adjustable amounts.

5: Pre-roll, with user-adjustable amounts.



6: Other stuff.
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Old 04-12-2014, 01:39 PM   #252
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1. VST 3 (I need Vocalign)
2. Metronome upgrade (you should be able to save some presets for metronome sounds, quick change of beats per measure without having to change double the bpm, etc.)
3. Better envelope editing. (I don't want to have to "reduce the number of points" every time). We need to be able to choose between certain envelope resolutions in the preferences.
4. ARA
5. Export midi as sheet music (score) for when you have to register your song.
6. Some basic video editing features like in Windows Movie Maker (fade in/out black/white, filters, etc).

The first three are biggies for me.

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Old 04-13-2014, 10:03 AM   #253
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Hey guys, a year old Reaper user here, first post! This almost perfect DAW could use one tweak IMO:

FX grouping!
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Old 04-13-2014, 11:44 AM   #254
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1) area selection (studio one/cubase)

2) modular fx window

3) non-linear clip launcher window to build up ideas in more creative ways (ableton)

4) better graphic, especially for grid lines on items :\\\

5) possibility to moove track envelopes and color them
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:10 AM   #255
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- better visuals.
If you have double/big monitors, I SERIOUSLY recommend trying out the White Tie Imperial skin.

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Here's a crazy idea: optional, inbuilt, nonlinear preamp saturation models for every channel, modelling something like the Neve and/or tube preamps. Not a separate effect, but something that you could just switch on with a simple click in the track view.. and the console saturation itself on the master of course.

Just planting seeds..
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Old 04-19-2014, 01:41 PM   #256
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i please want to choose between post and pre-fader metering, in the mixer like in protools
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Old 04-19-2014, 02:56 PM   #257
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-new advertising on splash screen : "this is reaper, not cubase, protools, live or any other common daw. So please STOP to asking the devs to reproduce the feature of your ex daw"

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Old 04-19-2014, 03:33 PM   #258
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dont you disrespect my needs man. im also not doing this with you

i think such a brilliant prog like reaper could fill the needs of every producer. every producer has different needs
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Some in this forum show a kind of aggressivness towards everything that is not "made by Reaper"
pretending Reaper to be a very unique and special daw and fighting against
every feature of another daw and defend the status quo is just ridiculous, embarassing and elitist - sometimes even worse than Avid Forum.
And frankly speaking Reaper has integrated or imitated many features of Pro Tools, but I think no one should start crying because of this fact ! A daw is a daw - with lots of similarities.
A Forum like this would be a good place for a shrink, as well.
But also very helpful and smart and gifted people here.

lfo2k joined this Forum in Apr 2014 he did not offend anyone, so why trying to gag him and scare him away ?! ////

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1) my message wasn't against lfo2k. It was just my feeling after reading the entire thread

2)i respect everyone needs, but 90% of feature that are asked by refugees users are possible in reaper. But just in a different way.

3) yes reaper is unique. It has another way of thinking about signal path and routing and when i see some post (samuelc for example) about mono, i feel very sorry that some people want to take reaper down to the other daws level. Mono tracks in a daw are useless and don't really even exist (even in protools or cubase) every single signal is just 1&0 routed to the master that have a number of channel who define the resulting signal.

4)pre fader metering : in reaper the metering is prefader when the track is rec arm and post fader if not. Why the hell do you need a pre fader PEAK metering when not recording in a 64bit floating audio engine? I could understand if you asked a VU metering on separate tracks but prefader peak metering, i don't get the need?
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Old 04-20-2014, 05:42 AM   #261
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As I'm quite used to how Reaper works, my priorities have shifted slightly.

Edit groups and with that the visual and function equivalent of the editing context area selection are important to me, because it makes some functions easier to do and visually process. Recutting a session due to picture changes for example, but leaving some tracks out of that, is the domain of edit groups(and area selection which is kinda of a requirement to even visualize that).

Automation recording is Reapers weakness to me. There are evolutionary improvements in many areas, but this has really been left to rot in the stink of Vegas' mediocrity, and is thus the high priority item on my personal wishlist.

Automation recording. See the first two red links below.

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Old 04-20-2014, 12:16 PM   #262
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Personally, I really hope Reaper 5 is looking forward, not backwards. Yes, that's subjective, but to me it means less recording oriented features and more production oriented features and workflow improvements (Bitwig/Live functionality implemented with the elegance and ease of Studio One) .
I agree with this statement about production and workflow features. I find the 2 weakest points of reaper is workflow and production.
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Old 04-20-2014, 04:07 PM   #263
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In my opinion, the future of Reaper is going in the same direction of high customizability, stability and performance. At least it will be an important part of future Reaper versions. An open standard architecture with highly customizable framework. We have seen the wonders of Reaper extensions plugins, and all the scripts that can do many of our wishes. I think Reaper 5 will update more the API and keep being a very efficient application.

So Reaper 5 will be focused in areas where the API can't help, or it would lose a lot of performance to do it through the API. So, we could talk about features that cannot be done by scripting or trough any of the API.
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I disagree with this. This is where the labour costs come in and all of a sudden reaper costs as much as the other DAWs that are bundled with stuff you don't use.
+1. The lean and mean delivery of Reaper is amazing! I can't believe all the "stuff" that comes with most DAWs that for me is kind of superfluous and just bloats up the install.
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This Cockos Audio Intelligence Agency is as tight lipped about Reaper/Rapper 5.0 as the US Air Force is about UFOs.

I expect to see some public disclosure from both at roughly the same time—RIGHT NOW!!! :P
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A lot of users are switching from reaper to Bitwig/StudioOne/Live blah blah blah
And please don't suggest ReaSynth or ReaSamplomatic, until you've tried others daws like bitwig/presonus/reason/live, etc...
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Evidently you don't like Reaper much, then?
I don't know anyone who is "switching from Reaper to bitwig" or live or Studio One.
I own Studio One and pretty much gave up using it.
Same with Sonar.
I think you are confusing your personal needs and wants with "what everyone needs".
I much prefer to decide what virtual instruments I get to use.
Having DAW manufacturer-supplied ones is fine if you don't know what you like (beginners) but once you have anything like a reasonable level of experience, I don't know anyone who sticks exclusively with the tools provided with the DAW they use most.
For that matter , most people I know use more than one DAW for different aspects of production, mixing, mastering, etc.
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Evidently you don't like Reaper much, then?
I Really hate it
Although I spend ten hours a day on it...
Just miss some features... production features...
Just feel striked how easy other daws allow drag and drop sampling.
Maybe you're right ? I'd like Reaper to fill all my needs...
Anyway. I stick on Reaper.
Simply because that's the best daw, even if it could be even better.
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I Really hate it
Although I spend ten hours a day on it...
You remind me a Pro Tools user LOL
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I find the 2 weakest points of reaper is workflow and production.
??? workflow in reaper is second to none. of course i can say that after 3 years of continuous customization...

still, the only thing that gets in my way anymore are the clunky floating windows stealing keyboard focus.

i still say reaper's main weakness is unfinished features and thus my #1 wish for R5 is:

Polish! esp in terms of customization features (menu editor, toolbars, api, docking, interface editing) and consistency (mouse modifiers, context menus, midi editor etc)

Wish #2: nonlinear item playback
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TRACK TEMPLATES preview option (without loading track preset).
May be track template browser for vsti's?
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A lot of users are switching from reaper to Bitwig/StudioOne/Live for one reason :
They all have :
- Easy to use basic multi-pads drumsamplers (drag'n'drop)
- Easy to use basic samplers (drag'n'drop...)(in order to use your own sounds fast)
- Easy to use basic Synth, with of course some presets in it...
- better visuals.
- Some daws, like bitwig, includes easy swing function.

So...out of the box, you can compose and create easely.
When I switched to reaper, I did explicitly not want to work "out of the box" , as the box was already there. And it was my private box , not the box of any daw supplier.
I already had the drum samplers , the basic samplers , the basic synths with my presets on it, and if I wanted swing, I used my mpc.

So it was the usp of reaper to be open to support my(!) box, as is, so I could continue compose and create easely.

No bloatware, no reaper hub failing to connect to a server, no proprietary "standards" nothing like that.

And this is the essence of reaper. And this must remain. It is more import than new features.
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