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Why should it be of any concern to you what people ask for or what tools/techniques they use or don't use?
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Obviously it's of no concern to me. I just made an observation of a trend I've noticed. I'm not trying to stifle creativity... I guess the question back might be why should it be of concern that I said anything? An interesting discussion came about. I liked that part.
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02-04-2015, 09:25 AM
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of the several boards i frequent, the reaper forums has the largest amount of anti electronic and at times anti music tech attitude.
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02-04-2015, 09:33 AM
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In capitalism, it is common for waves of junk to sweep over people who didn't want it.
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Can anyone show me waves of features in DAWs that most people buying them don't want? I think we too often confuse what we want with what other people want. Everything you see in every product - a lot of somebody's - want it, so the wide philosophical view of all that only works if you presume what you want or don't want applies to everyone else.
This is why these ranges of products are so different. Live & Bitwig, PT & Cubase, because "people" want and need vastly different things.
It's easily the case that the majority of the most popular products are very strong at conventional recording and mixing. Reaper, Cubase, Sonar, PT, Logic, S1, etc, so in order to make the other people happy they add the other stuff too. It's not like they're just throwing in stuff that nobody actually wants.
Where it gets wacky is when some users want every product to do everything or be great at everything. Some products don't play that game at all and mostly just do what they do best.
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02-04-2015, 09:39 AM
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of the several boards i frequent, the reaper forums has the largest amount of anti electronic and at times anti music tech attitude.
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It is indeed ironic for a board based on rebellious and anti-system attitudes (the product) to sometimes be so limited and in their thinking, yes.
You'd think musical artists would be more tolerant of other musical artists but you can't overcome the nature of humans to categorize and diminish each other.
Here we have lots of real musicians like Karbo, guys who can not only play well, but also understand music theory, and who have spent a good deal of time actually studying an instrument and playing with other people in the real world. We also have people here who have never done any of that and may never do any of that and actually don't even want to do any of that.
It's a melting pot.
Of course, we also have people here who can't play for shit and couldn't sing in tune if their lives depended on it but are always still negatively judging what someone else decides to play, whether that be a turntable or a drum machine. We should respect each other... even if we hate some of the music. I personally hate Heavy Metal and if you were to ask me for an honest unfiltered opinion, it's mostly nothing but noise to me, but you don't see me running around ragging on it or those who make it, or those lead singers shouting lyrics in what sounds like no actual musical key at all.
But the people who like it seem to be having fun doing the mosh pit thing, or biting heads off of chickens, or urinating on the audience or whatever. More power to em.
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02-04-2015, 09:40 AM
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I don't see much anti electronic or tech here, maybe just a natural backlash to the way things are heading technology wise, which always happens of course, but is understandable if folk who put in hundreds of hours learning technique's in both electronic music and acoustic performance are frustrated at witnessing newcomers expectations of super easy walk me through creating a hit type thing.
Or if a guitarist is upset at a DJ getting the gig that is also understandable and reflects the position live music finds itself.
One example, local bar hailed a live music venue only let's you play there if there is more than one of you and only do covers.
Now as a guy with a guitar & tech with new material that seems a little unfair. But punters like to hear stuff they know and a band playing it, or a duo doing a quirky version. There we go!
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02-04-2015, 09:44 AM
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If you are working in a Bar or a Pub you are a beer seller.
Original material will not only not attract punters who never heard of you, it is unlikely to persuade the ones that do come to stay and drink huge amounts of alcohol.
Hi Ho Silver Lining will have them boogie-ing down, bellowing the chorus and *buying lots of booze*
Sad, isnt it? But a hell of a sight better than having a proper job
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02-04-2015, 09:47 AM
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"In the beginning" I imagine someone belonging to a group of other someones set about banging rocks or sticks and most of the someones thought it was junk. But, it generated a different emotional response in another who set about trying to generate or satisfy some emotional "thing" they were feeling by working with the sticks and rocks. Maybe even advancing the state of the art by thumping on animal skins mom had stretched to dry for a completely different purpose. Of course the strictly rock and stick guy thought it was crap.
A couple things have come to mind as I read through this thread.
Art, regardless of medium or tools used, is made to satisfy the creator and no one else. The artist may look outside for validation but that's not why art is made. This idea has been driven home for me recently while watching mix videos from guys like Pensado and Schepps. Sure there is the mechanical process of sticking lego blocks together by copying the patterns on the box but I'm talking about art ... hauling something out of your own soul by whatever means necessary because you want, or must, get it out into the open.
We're in an age where it's very easy for everyone to toss something together and throw it on the world's "refrigerator" for all to see. It's no longer restricted to just the family to see the attempts at manipulating artistic tools. These early attempts sometimes get encouraged and the person keeps at it and someday develops skills to a point where they are proficient at the hobby and on rare occasions have the opportunity to share what they've created broadly. There are enormous numbers of people throwing their work onto internet versions of the refrigerator (youtube, soundcloud, whatever) and I think in some ways it's the exact same emotional and potentially growth process as a kid bringing home a finger painting from school and having it taped up where the family can see it. In the end very few will ever continue to work on the craft which allows for a more refined expression of the art to a point where they will have this hobby as a fruitful creative outlet. Even fewer will pursue it to a degree and with a skill (by point in time standards) which attracts broad acceptance and a real paycheck.
The folks tossing questions about "magic" tools? I don't know. I've certainly been stuck before and hit upon something fun in band-in-the-box that broke the log jam or fired up EZDrummer and was inspired by a pattern which lead to something much larger and unique. Maybe not good enough that I would share it with anyone but that's not why I was exploring.
Certainly some will look for tools they think offer a shortcut to something that will win them adulation of the masses. Others are probably just stuck trying to get something they don't quite understand how to reach, out of their head and into the air where they can hear it.
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02-04-2015, 09:53 AM
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a board based on rebellious and anti-system attitudes (the product)
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How so?
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02-04-2015, 09:54 AM
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If you are working in a Bar or a Pub you are a beer seller.
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Yep. That's the ticket with EDM. Think about it logically, not emotionally.
You own a large dance club with high overhead so it's actually to your benefit to keep the dance floor packed with people dancing because it sells more drinks. Dancing people get thirsty and thirsty people = money.
We older guys pontificating on the net don't really do that, so we don't know about that. If they (the large clubs) start only playing what we think is good music they'd go bankrupt because there is no such thing as a major city dance club filled up with 5000 60 year olds.
They (club owners) LOVE the 10 minute EDM songs or 15 minute DJ mixes that never break because it sells drinks.
When I want to hear only (what I consider to be) good music, and just sit there and watch people play, I go to Baker's Keyboard Lounge, an intimate place where you sit and watch people play good jazz. If I'm 22 and trying to go dancing and drinking and maybe get laid, I'm not going there, I'm going to one of the big dance clubs where the bass is thumping all night and there are 500 people on the dance floor.
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02-04-2015, 10:12 AM
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How so?
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No copy protection to speak of. A demo that never cuts off. Beta testing that anyone can participate in and a price that defies typical commercial logic.
These are the "anti-system" or somewhat rebellious things people say they like about Reaper. It's like... a socialist's daw.
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02-04-2015, 10:13 AM
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My point was that round me at least there are too few places catering for new music, and that there should be - alongside cover bars. Not slating cover bands, I enjoy the decent ones, as well a DJs. Anything.
but original music needs to catered for somewhere.
obviously summer of 69 gets customers but it is at the expence of a music scene, due to the commercial factors.
I'd love to have a littl bar and have a focus on original stuff and not have it be too niche to scare away normal folk. Other places manage it, so its not as if its an impossible dream.
As long as the music isn't shit why not.
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02-04-2015, 10:53 AM
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of the several boards i frequent, the reaper forums has the largest amount of anti electronic and at times anti music tech attitude.
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Are you saying this thread is anti-electronic music.. or music in general? That wasn't the point at all and I don't believe anyone here bad-mouthed electronic music.. or synths.. or beats.. or any of it. Or any style of music.. (Although someone here thinks guitar players are *ssh*les living on pedestals it seems.) It's just that there seems to be a growing trend of desiring shortcuts that eliminate a need to think about music and how it works.. Results at the click of a button may be musicalish it is not creating music.. The electronic device someone posted a video of in this thread is not making music to me. He's got great dexterity and the sounds coming out are musical pieces... but he's not making a musical composition that I would consider whole.. fun to play with though, and maybe as a backing beat.. but still just musical bits in a string. I don't see the anti-electronic, anti-music bias here?
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02-04-2015, 10:57 AM
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Just that there seems to be a growing trend of desiring shortcuts that eliminate a need to think about music and how it works
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I think he's only suggesting that not everyone who enjoys making music actually needs to do any of that to enjoy making music so maybe we should just leave them alone... and let them be happy ... and not think so much about their musical education if they don't care about it?
There are still thousands of kids in music programs all over the world, learning theory and technique and there is still a multitude of college music programs where kids are and always have been doing all that. You can see it at any college football game, there are quite literally thousands of music scholarships given out every semester and those kids had to learn how to play and instrument to get there right?
The sky isn't falling, people (who actually want to) are still leaning the language of music all over the world.
For the vast majority it is a hobby, and nothing more. We all have hobbies. I like video editing but I don't plan to study it intently because it's just a hobby. I take shortcuts to make videos and I have fun doing it. Nobody cares since I'm not taking business away from professional video editors.
Seriously, Best Buy shelves are chock full of applications for people to take home and make nice videos. Should we be worrying that the vast majority of them have no real interest in learning that trade, but just want to have a little fun and make something without being great at it? The audio looper apps like Garageband are no different.
Like I said earlier, I think we often take ourselves way too seriously.
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02-04-2015, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by BenK-msx
I don't see much anti electronic or tech here, maybe just a natural backlash to the way things are heading technology wise, which always happens of course, but is understandable if folk who put in hundreds of hours learning technique's in both electronic music and acoustic performance are frustrated at witnessing newcomers expectations of super easy walk me through creating a hit type thing.
Or if a guitarist is upset at a DJ getting the gig that is also understandable and reflects the position live music finds itself.
One example, local bar hailed a live music venue only let's you play there if there is more than one of you and only do covers.
Now as a guy with a guitar & tech with new material that seems a little unfair. But punters like to hear stuff they know and a band playing it, or a duo doing a quirky version. There we go!
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F**k me you dont live in Paignton do you "Torbays number one music venue" is next to my apartment and you explained it perfectly lol
On a side note, what is it with cover bands and "Vallerie" and "Superstition" is there some kind of law that you have to play those ?
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02-04-2015, 11:09 AM
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On a side note, what is it with cover bands and "Vallerie" and "Superstition" is there some kind of law that you have to play those ?
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Lol. I have this personal challenge for egotistical keyboard players, guys who always brag about how good they are when they're really kinda not.
"Ok dude. Play 'Nights in Tunesia".
Playing that, the bass line and the other part, takes some dexterity and more often than not, self taught keyboard hero guys who run solos and fool people can't play it.
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02-04-2015, 11:09 AM
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It's just that there seems to be a growing trend of desiring shortcuts that eliminate a need to think about music and how it works.. Results at the click of a button may be musicalish it is not creating music.. The electronic device someone posted a video of in this thread is not making music to me. He's got great dexterity and the sounds coming out are musical pieces... but he's not making a musical composition that I would consider whole.. fun to play with though, and maybe as a backing beat.. but still just musical bits in a string. I don't see the anti-electronic, anti-music bias here?
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Nope, just a closed mind, you may not like that, but it is true.
The reality that you percieve music as a bunch of mathematical equations relationships and nuances (yes that is what it actually is) and you think that that knowledge somehow imparts a superior musicality above and beyond somebody who simply uses their ears and listens and has a natural ability to hear what is musical, but may choose to use some shortcut to achieve what they want to hear (wait, knowing the math behind music ie musical training is a shortcut isnt it ahem) is laughable.
Oh by the way, The guy in the video Jerremy Ellis, i suspect unless you are some kind of music teacher extrordinaire, he has much more music training than you ever will lol
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02-04-2015, 11:26 AM
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I think he's only suggesting that not everyone who enjoys making music actually needs to do any of that to enjoy making music so maybe we should just leave them alone... and let them be happy ... and not think so much about their musical education if they don't care about it?
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For the vast majority it is a hobby, and nothing more. We all have hobbies.
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I'll do my best to keep it in mind... It was just an accumulation of things that got to me.
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02-04-2015, 11:28 AM
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Nope, just a closed mind, you may not like that, but it is true.
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You do realize that with every comment you make, you are being the very thing you accuse others of being...
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02-04-2015, 11:33 AM
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You do realize that with every comment you make, you are being the very thing you accuse others of being...
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How so ?
you have no idea if i am musically trained, or indeed if i am as closed minded as you and despise DJs taking hardworking musicians jobs, or if i have no musical training whatsoever, don't even know what a note actually represents and uses some form of AI like noatkil to make music.
So please, either back that statement up or you will look very very silly
Just because i can point out your shortcomings and closed mind, does not mean i have a similar or even diametric opinion, or a closed mind, it just means i pointed out yours !
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It is great fun when a guitarist looks down upon (for instance) a scratch DJ, from their high and mighty pedastal of guitar playing power, proclaiming that all things must be learnt over time and shortcuts are the devils work.
Then they try to scratch a record, the pedastal crumbles and they sound like a dead rat being scraped along the ground.
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Who is making assumptions and citing superiority? Who is choosing one thing over another while decrying others for doing the same?
And I really don't want to turn this into something personal between you and I. Although it seems you do...
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02-04-2015, 11:47 AM
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Who is making assumptions and citing superiority? Who is choosing one thing over another while decrying others for doing the same?
And I really don't want to turn this into something personal between you and I. Although it seems you do...
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No one, perhaps you misunderstand the concept of an example, did i say i was the scratch DJ ? Did i say i was the guitarist ? No, i made an obversational example that showed two diametric points of view, want another...
It is always funny to see a DJ (who obviously got in to DJing to get women) have a look of shock when all the women go off with a guitarist...
Wait, what ?
Do i hate DJs now ?
No, it is a generalised observational example (Again) and is not decrying anyones lack or superior knowledge there of of music, its mathematical relationships or indeed their musicality.
But then a closed mind would obviously not understand that
There is nothing between you or I, I just pointed out how closed you mind was, and that you think that mathematical relationships if taught in terms of musical training are more important than mathematical relationships when used in terms of musical shortcuts, albeit both actually being the exact same thing.
You have made yourself look silly and now wish to aportion the blame for that elsewhere
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But then a closed mind would obviously not understand that
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you win then. punks gotta do the punk thing. have a good day.
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because there is no such thing as a major city dance club filled up with 5000 60 year olds.
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But if you manage to do that, then you be rich, these guys usually has a lot of money
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02-04-2015, 12:04 PM
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... It's just that there seems to be a growing trend of desiring shortcuts that eliminate a need to think about music and how it works.. Results at the click of a button may be musicalish it is not creating music.. The electronic device someone posted a video of in this thread is not making music to me. He's got great dexterity and the sounds coming out are musical pieces... but he's not making a musical composition that I would consider whole.. fun to play with though, and maybe as a backing beat.. but still just musical bits in a string....
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But if other people want to listen to those results, what's the harm in it? Why aren't those listeners choosing to listen to your music instead? Because they're somehow wrong?
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02-04-2015, 12:06 PM
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But if other people want to listen to those results, what's the harm in it?
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No harm in it.. Who said there was? I don't listen to it. Listen to whatever you want. Who's stopping you? Not the point of the thread at all.
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02-04-2015, 12:08 PM
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What does this mean ?
I am English, it is possible punk has a different meaning where you are ?
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F**k me you dont live in Paignton do you "Torbays number one music venue" is next to my apartment and you explained it perfectly lol
On a side note, what is it with cover bands and "Vallerie" and "Superstition" is there some kind of law that you have to play those ?
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Literally took a few reads to discern whether I was being gpunk'd or not such is your rep as a forum attack dog. a rep u love I bet..
Nah we have a 'live lounge' and when it opened thought great we need something like that, but cover groups only makes me weep for creativity.
I imagined bending the rules by doing acoustic covers/interpretations of the two solitary electronic releases I had many many years ago that noone has ever heard.
Rebel.
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Often what lots of people in a market are crying for, because it seems cool, is not productive.
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We could appoint a central dictator to regulate the market, to save the consumers who don't know what's best for themselves. Someone like Stalin.
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Why aren't those listeners choosing to listen to your music instead? Because they're somehow wrong?
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No idea where that notion came from...
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I saw one to add a strumming sound to electronic guitars and I think... strum a guitar instead...
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I think you should buy him a guitar and guitar lessons.
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No idea where that notion came from...
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I understand you're tolerant on page 3. Just trying to figure out what the ranting on page 1 was about.
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I think you should buy him a guitar and guitar lessons.
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That's a generous idea. I'd love to buy the world a guitar.
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I understand you're tolerant on page 3. Just trying to figure out what the ranting on page 1 was about.
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well.. you could try reading again and think about it for a while... Or just give it up as a waste of time.
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Literally took a few reads to discern whether I was being gpunk'd or not such is your rep as a forum attack dog. a rep u love I bet..
Nah we have a 'live lounge' and when it opened thought great we need something like that, but cover groups only makes me weep for creativity.
I imagined bending the rules by doing acoustic covers/interpretations of the two solitary electronic releases I had many many years ago that noone has ever heard.
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Unfortunately i am on forums how i am in life, i do not suffer fools and fear nothing (anybody is welcome to my full name and address hahaha)
Yeah these so called "best live venues" are opening everywhere and only hiring cover bands, not sure if that makes it valid as best live venue or not lol
However this crazy notion that punters will only stay in a venue if covers are being played is generally the biggest pile of nonsense ever, most punters have had a drink ie dont care, most punters are going on somewhere ie a club with more generalised generic music.
The reality is that venues just dont want to put on original acts because they like to hold all the cards, it is a very poor time to be a performer in the UK.
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The reality is that venues just dont want to put on original acts because they like to hold all the cards, it is a very poor time to be a performer in the UK.
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There are places where people still go to see original acts. Seattle and Austin are the two most readily available. If you play originals, you can find a stage in one of those towns.
The real reason most places book cover bands is because that is what people want to hear.
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well.. you could try reading again and think about it for a while... Or just give it up as a waste of time.
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But I want you to be happy, so my work isn't done when you're ranting.
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But I want you to be happy, so my work isn't done when you're ranting.
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Originally Posted by Lawrence
a major city dance club filled up with 5000 60 year olds.
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Now there's a mental image!
It's hard to blame the club owners that can hire a young kid to hit play on his iTunes playlist - er, excuse me, "DJ" - for $50 when it drives alcohol sales just as well (or better) as live performed music.
Can't really fault people for buying into it if they enjoy it either.
I see the glass as more than half full though. Look at all the opportunity to blow some young persons mind with something with more evolved nuance! Easier than ever with Kanya West, Katy Perry, and all the live karaoke and DJ acts being the only thing some of them have been exposed to.
Entertaining is still a skill too even if it doesn't incorporate skillful musical performance. Katy Perry still has skills. (That might not have come out right...) No need to bash on simpler pleasures to justify anything.
The Onion nailed it:
"Your favorite band sucks!"
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02-04-2015, 12:40 PM
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The reality is that venues just dont want to put on original acts because they like to hold all the cards
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The actual reality is that club owners want to fill the club and sell beer, priority number one, period. Local original acts by far cannot do that consistently, or better said the number that can (percentage wise) is so small that it isn't enough to support the club(s).
It's just another example of those making the music being totally oblivious to those who aren't and those who aren't are the one's with the money.
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02-04-2015, 12:40 PM
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Bit of a trek to Seattle unfortunately
Did get impression when in states on holidays etc that they more receptive to a new music scene.
We have too many chain bars. Even in uk I'm sure London is better and manch/lpool are too, having a better rep as music towns.
Most punters here in the capital of the land of song, just want beer, and a bit of brown eyed girl or queen.
Queen IMO are for home listening not the pub, before Bryan may fans attack.
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