Old 03-05-2017, 07:43 AM   #1
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# Automation items: add action to set time selection to automation item
# Automation items: add option to chase/latch automation item final values
# Automation items: better handling when editing multiple points at the same time position
# Automation items: fix LFO in unlooped items
# Automation items: preserve LFO parameters when mouse-copying without pooling, or on un-pool action [p=1812498]
# Automation items: prevent adding point on double-click outside bounds of unlooped items [p=1812419]
# Automation items: recalculate underlying envelope edge points after various actions
# Automation items: when moving envelope points within time selection in a looped automation item, force moved segment to be within one loop iteration
# Envelopes: fix edge point behavior when mouse-copying media items attached to envelopes
# Envelopes: when pasting media items within a time selection, add edge points only at the start/end of the time selection
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Old 03-05-2017, 08:06 AM   #2
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# Automation items: add option to chase/latch automation item final values
Great! Thank you a lot!!! Now it's a really powerful tool. Could you please add an action to select/delete all the points from the current AI and possibly colorizing AI's ?

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Old 03-05-2017, 08:45 AM   #3
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Please add automation item double click mouse modifier context! Will be useful for the new action to set time selection to AI.
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Old 03-05-2017, 09:58 AM   #4
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# Automation items: add action to set time selection to automation item
Oops, I just noticed that this is rounding the time selection to the nearest second. Fixing, thanks self!
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Old 03-05-2017, 11:36 AM   #5
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Bugs and stuff..

Duplicate unloopled AI ctrl + drag, ctl + alt + drag, loop resets. https://goo.gl/RJtSBx

Envelopes: Move selected points up a little bit deletes point. https://goo.gl/2Lti11

Move selected points up/down/left/right deletes points. https://goo.gl/AABFBb

Envelopes: Move selected points left/right a little bit strange behavior. https://goo.gl/CbTNu7

Left segment drag unselects all points, right segment drag unselects first point. https://goo.gl/kgq4NQ

Jumping segment. https://goo.gl/4DXJZH

Playrate automation items dont work. https://goo.gl/4hwBAa

Strange areas.. diferent mouse cursor image, diferent mouse modifiers.
image_1: https://goo.gl/ja6ZEA
image_2: https://goo.gl/Cz3Vgx
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Old 03-05-2017, 12:24 PM   #6
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Strange areas..
Why is it strange for you? It should be like this. When you add AI at some region, Reaper uses AI's curves, not the current envelope's ones.
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Old 03-05-2017, 01:22 PM   #7
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Why is it strange for you? It should be like this. When you add AI at some region, Reaper uses AI's curves, not the current envelope's ones.
I understand the way it works.. I say strange because in these areas
left mouse click wont unselect selected points.
Mouse modifier ( alt + drag ) draw a copy of the selected automation item doesnt work, instead time selection..

example: https://goo.gl/eoYfBA
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I understand the way it works.. I say strange because in these areas
left mouse click wont unselect selected points.
Ah, ok, sorry. I didn't understand what you meant.
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Old 03-05-2017, 01:31 PM   #9
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AI Bug: https://goo.gl/Mt5u9l
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Old 03-05-2017, 03:09 PM   #10
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A graphical ?bug? Could we have an option to change it like with adjacent tracks? The exactly name in Preferences->Appearance is "Pixels between items on adjacent tracks:".

Could it come to life?
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Old 03-05-2017, 03:30 PM   #11
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Is it a bug ?
When I move 2 points, the behaviour seems normal but when I move 3 or more points, the behaviour seems a little bit strange.

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Old 03-05-2017, 03:52 PM   #12
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Limited point movement in vertical direction when base value is changed. Is it a normal behavior?
https://goo.gl/XYlpyL

it's very buggy.. Jumping points, segments, disappearing points etc..
https://goo.gl/Fr4WZv
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Old 03-05-2017, 04:47 PM   #13
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This is SO close you guys. I've tried to break AI in so many ways, and they all seem fixed!

...But...



This envelope behaviour is now broken. When Smart-Copy-Pasting Time (the whole point is that Time Selection should be duplicated exactly, Without disturbing surrounding stuff) we don't get Edgepoints at the time boundaries, which is a big problem.
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Old 03-06-2017, 05:02 AM   #14
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Default Automation items: undo problem

Steps:

1) Create an automation item
2) Set a time selection around that automation item
3) Move envelope segment within the automation item using Shift+Ctrl
4) Remove time selection and copy/paste the automation item using Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V
5) Move envelope segment within the automation item by just dragging it
6) Press Ctrl+Z

Result: the second automation item that was pasted will lose all points. See here:

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Bugs and stuff..
Fixing all of these. Embass, thanks very much for posting these gifs, it is very very helpful!
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Old 03-06-2017, 05:48 AM   #16
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When I move 2 points, the behaviour seems normal but when I move 3 or more points, the behaviour seems a little bit strange.
That is the existing behavior when Preferences/Editing behavior/Envelope display/Automatically add edge points when editing multiple points is enabled (it's not enabled by default). "Multiple" in that case is defined as 3 or more points in a row.
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Default Automation items: no action bug

I just noticed that after you've created an automation item and tweaked something inside of it you can't edit the underlying envelope at all:



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1) Create an automation item
2) Set a time selection around that automation item and move the segment or just add a point and move it
3) Now try to move the underlying envelope

Note: if you hold any modifier combination and hover your mouse over the underlying envelope you'll notice it says "no action" in the tooltip.
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AI items: when displayed in MEDIA LANE, you can't select the AI "label" space in order to paste it into the envelope the way you can when the envelope is displayed in its own dedicated ENV LANE



1- create a track with dedicated envelope lane
2- create an AI on that track
3- cut this AI
4- move to track 2, where env is displayed in MEDIA lane
5- mouseclick on the AI label space
6- paste.
7- ISSUE: "no envelope selected" message
8- EXPECTED BEHAVIOR: same as pasting in this space when envelope is in dedicated env lane
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i would like the option for my edit cursor to move while clicking automation item's label space, like i have it set to do for normal items. same with envelope points. could we have a "left click" modifier set for these things?
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imo if the same param exists on another track, but the envelope is not made visible, dragging an automation item from one track to another should:

1, be possible without first enabling the envelope
2, enable/set the envelope to visible, and
3, remove the envelope if the item is dragged away without dropping it there.

this would follow a similar concept that yall have put in place regarding dragging items from an existing track to the "bottom"



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ps great work on making automation items tempo-change friendly, i tried really hard to break it and failed.
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I just noticed that after you've created an automation item and tweaked something inside of it you can't edit the underlying envelope at all

There is actually no point there to edit, because you have enabled the option to attach the underlying envelope to the start/end of the automation item. The only thing that could even potentially be edited by moving that segment would be the final point within the automation item.
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AI items: when displayed in MEDIA LANE, you can't select the AI "label" space in order to paste it into the envelope the way you can when the envelope is displayed in its own dedicated ENV LANE
In general, when an envelope is the media lane, the only way to select the envelope is to click it. Within the media lane, the automation item label gap is just generic empty track space (which may be covered by a media item), unless there is an actual automation item in that location.
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Within the media lane, the automation item label gap is just generic empty track space (which may be covered by a media item), unless there is an actual automation item in that location.
that makes sense, but is graphically confusing, as it looks identical and indeed serves similar purposes if there is an actual AI in that location.

i'm betting that anyone who uses mostly media lane envelopes will cuss a lot when they have to stop what they are doing and click OK on the "Error pasting - can't add envelope point - no envelope selected" dialog box. (i despise that box, for the record)

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unless there is an actual automation item in that location.
maybe that space shouldn't appear at all unless there is an actual automation item in that location.
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Unlooped AI items

Misleading tooltips, mouse cursors.. https://goo.gl/Tu80EW

Different Cursors.. Tooltip adjusted value doesn't change.. https://goo.gl/jo3DmY
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Is this a bug or by design? https://goo.gl/l1UXtH
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Old 03-06-2017, 11:07 AM   #26
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Is this a bug or by design? https://goo.gl/l1UXtH
By design, depending on which automation items mode you chose in Preferences->Editing Behavior->Automation. This looks like the first mode (put AI on top of envelope lane).
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There is actually no point there to edit, because you have enabled the option to attach the underlying envelope to the start/end of the automation item. The only thing that could even potentially be edited by moving that segment would be the final point within the automation item.
I see, makes sense. I think that option won't work for me then because I want to keep the underlying envelope completely functional and not attached to automation items. I'll try the other options then. Thanks!
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Old 03-06-2017, 12:31 PM   #28
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AI bug: Connect to underlying envelope not smooth transition when you adjust baseline/amplitude..
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AI bug: running point.. https://goo.gl/T9h2RD
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I see, makes sense. I think that option won't work for me then because I want to keep the underlying envelope completely functional and not attached to automation items. I'll try the other options then. Thanks!
Well, it's still functional -- you just need to insert a point somewhere after the last automation item so there's something to edit.
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