Old 01-26-2017, 11:10 AM   #401
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Hi, I'm Kenny Gioia... Welcome to another one of my reprimand...

Hey Kenny, I'm joking... but I'm clearly on the side of those who say why I can't complain.

It's all about customers caring...
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Old 01-26-2017, 11:13 AM   #402
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I - have - not - said - a - thing.
Would not surprise me if karbo understand me even if I was drunk. (rare btw!!)
Off topic again, just thinking to myself in private.
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I swear, I have made so many funny doh!'s in REAPER myself all over the place for what it is worth and I expect more!
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Not getting the "Maste" thing here using default v5 theme, plus I am seeing what I consider to be clear fonts on Windows 10. Might be my old eyes, though. Before 10 I was using Win 7 and don't remember issues with fonts there either.

Just saying.
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OK guys, stop making others do all the work for you for and calling it bad code at the same time for things you yourself changed. Took me less than 2 minutes to find this. Maybe keep yourselves a little notepad of tweaks you make so you can refer to them later. Or maybe spend more time learning your way around Reaper than the forum.




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Thanks, but I like the "maste".
I don't wanna change it.
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Thanks, but I like the "maste".
I don't wanna change it.
I think you should trademark and make it look like this

MASTE™
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I could buy Cockos and name it MASTE Inc.
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Old 01-26-2017, 01:09 PM   #409
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I wish I could find an example of why allowing users to tweak EVERYTHING might be a bad idea.

And in what thread might I find such an example?

You guys are funny.
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Kenny, you're the best...
We are playing around, join us!
Naturally, I know why I see the "maste"...
I have a custom Win 7 x64; I removed a lot of things (the install size is less than 4 GB).
So I also removed the font Reaper uses and when the porgram set the Arial font for me it doesn't resize it.

Anyway, customization (extentions, scripts, themes) is what it keeps this project alive...
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Like this one, somewhere?
Why do I feel the need to defend myself? and I need to pay rent soon, what's app with me?.
I am "ignoring" what WT explained, the cold facts truth thing (with love) and I just rrrrrefuse to realize stuff and am open for more, like if I was talking at year 20-eum V3, could say the same at version3, and v5 have come a long way in MY direction, so *censored*
But, if you are saying or anyone have said, NO, forget it, Nevah! definite, theeeen I shall give up my enthusiasm/hope.
And I would humby prio colors and text size, not the looks per say, I repeat'skji!.

Ps, "more" could also be something else, or different, what ever works, creative what ever'ness easyest'ness, I dunno.
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PS, and make a REAPER OS while you are at it, bootable USB pen, tomorrow. *snap, two fingers thingie*
YEAH !!!!!

Based on Linux (hence free) and allowing to load any VSTs such as Kontakt and friends without any hassle and providing drivers for all audio hardware devices!!!!

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Old 01-26-2017, 01:57 PM   #413
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Custon Windows = doesnt work properly.

People with no clue at all customize things. No clue = Fonts are properly resized, but the fonts itself have different sizes, and for good reasons. People dont know that but blame Windows for not getting that it is "customized" by people with no clues. And blame Reaper for having a shitty GUI.

Sorry, that is really, really close to facepalm.

So your MASTE is a result of the user not knowing what he is doing. The not knowing part includes knowing nothing about sideeffects of their doing.

Hilarious.

You know what? I dont like the Reaper default theme, didnt like it from day one. I got me another theme and was done with it.

Where the f*** is the problem? I am really agitated after that whole thread. And people without any clue about OS dialogboxes come up with complaints... hilarious. :-( Really.

I tried to suppress my urge to write this. Didnt work. I will work on that.
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Google translate is not helping you getting your point across, SmaajL.
Either that or MY brain is fried after long laborious session today finally killing a bass line for a friend.
Song is incredibly boring and repetitive and changes key for no reason 6 yes I say SIX times.

Was about to poke my eyes out with a fork until I finally got a couple of takes with the turnarounds in the right place and order AND managed to inject some feel into this turd.
But sadly he IS a very lovely chap....if not I would have walked away from this very quickly.
Now go swallow an english dictionary and post something that makes sense!

Hopefully I have now helped consign this particular turd-esque thread to the toilet where it belongs.
But I do find it quite funny how some of our more er "intrepid" co-users seem to be in contention for that famous Olympic event, Conclusion Jumping once again....
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Google translate is not helping you getting your point across, SmaajL.
Either that or MY brain is fried after long laborious session today finally killing a bass line for a friend.
Song is incredibly boring and repetitive and changes key for no reason 6 yes I say SIX times.

Was about to poke my eyes out with a fork until I finally got a couple of takes with the turnarounds in the right place and order AND managed to inject some feel into this turd.
But sadly he IS a very lovely chap....if not I would have walked away from this very quickly.
Now go swallow an english dictionary and post something that makes sense! D
"MF"... lol

Edit: And he spelled my nickname wrong on purpose, I swear!!
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Custon Windows = doesnt work properly.

People with no clue at all customize things. No clue = Fonts are properly resized, but the fonts itself have different sizes, and for good reasons. People dont know that but blame Windows for not getting that it is "customized" by people with no clues. And blame Reaper for having a shitty GUI.

Sorry, that is really, really close to facepalm.

So your MASTE is a result of the user not knowing what he is doing. The not knowing part includes knowing nothing about sideeffects of their doing.

Hilarious.

You know what? I dont like the Reaper default theme, didnt like it from day one. I got me another theme and was done with it.

Where the f*** is the problem? I am really agitated after that whole thread. And people without any clue about OS dialogboxes come up with complaints... hilarious. :-( Really.

I tried to suppress my urge to write this. Didnt work. I will work on that.
Custom Windows works properly.
Don't panic... I wasn't serious when I was talking of that.
I see that you and many others were.
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Old 01-26-2017, 02:59 PM   #417
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Who wants a new interface can write an email to Cockos support; I think it's the easiest way. I wrote mine.
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Old 01-26-2017, 03:00 PM   #418
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I see that you and many others were.
People start/support these threads and they are supposedly really serious about the problem - as if they can't do their work - but can't be taxed to be specific or helpful in their opening (and often further) explanation then we get this mashup of everything under the sun with people pot shotting along the way, and then jerking everyone around.

I take the posts that appear serious mostly seriously because it was sold as important and I'd expect those unhappy would deserve the attention to detail. That being said, if all those who are upset about the GUI are "cuz jokes" let me know so I can avoid trying to help altogether, I have plenty of other more valuable things to spend my time doing since I can operate reaper and deal with its look quite well.
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Old 01-26-2017, 03:11 PM   #419
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If I take a second to run through the whole forum in my head historically I notice some experienced users have gone more selective of who they chose to help.
Now you know that I know so you know and I am starting to get it myself.
So, yep.

Let's see, 1,2,3 and him, 5, 6.. hmm.
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Old 01-26-2017, 03:26 PM   #420
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I follow Reaper discussions on it's GUI and i follow other DAW forums as well.
I honestly have to say that i have not encountered so much posts about the DAW GUI, as in this Reaper community... remarkable.

I therefore can only conclude that Reaper's GUI is a (longstanding) hot topic and that there are many people just not happy (enough) with it.

My 2 cents would be that Cockos can not simply neglect this.
Assuming that most of the "GUI Complainers" are legal owners of Reaper, i really do think these
people are legit to make their critics about Reaper GUI.

If you ask my opinion: i work day in day out with Reaper.
That means: day in day out listening to what comes out of Reaper, but also..
day in day out, looking at Reaper's GUI.
At my macbook retina 2015: not a very nice experience: not sharp in general, blurred fonts etc.
At my Hackintosh , with a reasonable quality Dell 23 inch Screen : ok, workable, quite nice to look at.
I worked with alot of different Themes and amazingly enough for me, a thirdparty Theme can look
sharper at my macbook retina than Reaper's default 5 Theme. (WTF).

I am no rocket scientist and i do think most of Reaper users, complaining about Reaper GUI,arent also;
Meaning: "We" just want a sharp looking GUI, be it on a non hi-res display, or on a 4k hi-res display.
"We" don't wanna dig into all technical stuff to make Reaper default GUI or a Theme GUI sharper / better looking on the eyes.

Is that too much too ask ?
Maybe it is, i dunno really.

Thing is, i find Reaper a really revolutionary and a forseeing DAW in many areas.
I can only hope Cockos will catch up in this regard with it's Reaper GUI.
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I follow Reaper discussions on it's GUI and i follow other DAW forums as well.
I honestly have to say that i have not encountered so much posts about the DAW GUI, as in this Reaper community... remarkable.

I therefore can only conclude that Reaper's GUI is a (longstanding) hot topic and that there are many people just not happy (enough) with it.

My 2 cents would be that Cockos can not simply neglect this.
Assuming that most of the "GUI Complainers" are legal owners of Reaper, i really do think these
people are legit to make their critics about Reaper GUI.

At my macbook retina 2015: not a very nice experience: not sharp in general, blurred fonts etc.
At my Hackintosh , with a reasonable quality Dell 23 inch Screen : ok, workable, quite nice to look at.
I worked with alot of different Themes and amazingly enough for me, a thirdparty Theme can look
sharper at my macbook retina than Reaper's default 5 Theme. (WTF).

I am no rocket scientist and i do think most of Reaper users, complaining about Reaper GUI,arent also;
Meaning: "We" just want a sharp looking GUI, be it on a non hi-res display, or on a 4k hi-res display.
"We" don't wanna dig into all technical stuff to make Reaper default GUI or a Theme GUI sharper / better looking on the eyes.

Is that too much too ask ?
GUI.
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Never thought of that, you have to have a licence to FR/Whine sounds good. heh

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people are legit to make their critics about Reaper GUI.
Criticize all you want constructively, I'll support you to the end. Start a thread that isn't at all helpful, full of inaccuracies and people stating problems that don't even exist because they won't even learn the product, it will end up exactly like this every single time. 100% guaranteed.

The mental block people have is that when someone pressures them to be specific (which is farking important) they immediately think those answering don't think there is room for improvement, not the case - pay attention!

And anyone popping in who says it's beautiful, everyone should ignore as much as the ones who can only say ugly, because both are subjective and should be ignored on both ends of the spectrum.

And I mean all of this in the most sincere and loving way.
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Old 01-26-2017, 04:02 PM   #424
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I think Reaper is pretty.

Reaper's basic theme looks better than ProTools, Ableton, BitWig and Cubase... imho. Maybe Logic is a close call. It's really difficult to satisfy each and every customer. I think Reaper made good compromise in their choice of design, it's somewhat neutral in many ways.

Besides, taste is personal. That's why I made my own theme. I am glad we can theme it, not many DAW's have that option.
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I wonder if "blurryness" is also a subjective subject and personal taste ..:0/
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I wonder if "blurryness" is also a subjective subject and personal taste ..:0/
No, blurry isn't taste but everyone doesn't experience that problem on both OS' so this is a great time to explore exactly why that happens unless someone *actually* knows then we should expand on that for visibility. Really better in it's own non-polluted thread though.
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Who wants a new interface can write an email to Cockos support; I think it's the easiest way. I wrote mine.
It's not like most of us wouldn't keep an eye even on the 20th all noise, no signal (almost, notwithstanding valid and known issues like HiDPI displays) thread like this. It's certainly not necessary (or helpful) to fill the support inbox with requests for "a decent interface", particularly if they do not specify what exactly "decent" means to the sender. The best place for substantiated and well-laid-out feature requests remains the feature request forum.
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I wonder if "blurryness" is also a subjective subject and personal taste ..:0/
Sounds like a bug! ...maybe (anti) aliasing?

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Whats up with Justin on his tube, is he angry? of what.
If it's me then I will sjaddapp.
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Whats up with Justin on his tube, is he angry? of what.
If it's me then I will sjaddapp.
There's some hints at the end of the video
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It's alright when the user choose if you want a "sober" or "all in one" UI, as it is right now on v5 : the default theme.

The Imperial theme afraid me a bit because there is too much control, and some space is used for features that I don't use. Example, I use DeePanpot (haas) instead of reaper's panning knob. Plus, I'm certainly not experienced enough to use all Reaper's features.

Did a survey already occurred, to know what are the common screen resolution ?
This is a concern for VST plugins too, since some monitors have huge resolution, some plugins may appear too small (or too big on small screen/laptops).
Scalable UI are important.
To be sure, I was just kidding ... did not mean to offend or downplay your concerns.
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There's some hints at the end of the video
I know and that I reacted to, but it was unclearness, something about pain in the ass week and psychopaths, little to short story for me.
But anyway, thank gawd it was not me then, so I can continue my SmajjL "career/journey".

And some people just can't handle me, I was worried.
And, the only reason the humans aim for Mars is because of me....
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People start/support these threads and they are supposedly really serious about the problem - as if they can't do their work - but can't be taxed to be specific or helpful in their opening (and often further) explanation then we get this mashup of everything under the sun with people pot shotting along the way, and then jerking everyone around.

I take the posts that appear serious mostly seriously because it was sold as important and I'd expect those unhappy would deserve the attention to detail. That being said, if all those who are upset about the GUI are "cuz jokes" let me know so I can avoid trying to help altogether, I have plenty of other more valuable things to spend my time doing since I can operate reaper and deal with its look quite well.
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It's not like most of us wouldn't keep an eye even on the 20th all noise, no signal (almost, notwithstanding valid and known issues like HiDPI displays) thread like this. It's certainly not necessary (or helpful) to fill the support inbox with requests for "a decent interface", particularly if they do not specify what exactly "decent" means to the sender. The best place for substantiated and well-laid-out feature requests remains the feature request forum.
I agree with you, but also these threads let you know people personalities...
Anyway, I don't think Cockos needs me to say what they have to do; but if Cockos makes a poll... What do you wish for the next major update?
Let me guess what should be the users answer...?

#1 New GUI.
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Whot?! is forums a "social media network" now, you tell me...
It used to be MIDI, you should have seen the Drama, omg omg, not sure about today.
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No, blurry isn't taste but everyone doesn't experience that problem on both OS' so this is a great time to explore exactly why that happens unless someone *actually* knows then we should expand on that for visibility. Really better in it's own non-polluted thread though.
I'll reverse that argument, Karbo.

Most other software out there succeeds in looking good on both OS'es, and on oldfashioned and HiDPI displays. REAPER doesn't.

The users I get constant complaints from, are beginners and people trying to teach a DAW to others. It's kinda nice if a teacher can hookup his laptop to a projector and... euh... teach. REAPER is the only software we support that needs intervention every time someone new shows up, every time there's another projector in use and every time the teacher gets a new laptop.

Also, the beginners aren't exactly new to DAWs. They are hardened ProTools, Cubase and Logic users mostly. And when Logic users abandon REAPER after a while, the reason is almost invariably: looks. And themes don't change that. Some of the pro's don't want themes, because they've learned over the years to keep everything as standard as possible. And that's because they rent their studio's to others and don't want an alien looking theme.

And, yes, "good looking" is subjective. "standard" isn't.
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Let me guess what should be the users answer...?

#1 New GUI.
But there again that doesnt necessarily make a new GUI more important in the scheme of things compared, say, to an overhaul of the system of dealing with third party controllers.
I would plump for a plug and play (or as close as we can get) system for adding a new control interface over gui every time.
But then I guess I am more tactile oriented that visual.

And happily Justin doesnt seem to subscribe to the "he who shouts the loudest gets" school of thougyt
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No, blurry isn't taste
Yes it is.

If you render something (e.g. a font) the source has sharp lines and the render process needs to set the color of the pixels (normally done by the graphics card's processor, supposedly using parameters provided by the software, e.g. the OS).

If the line is exactly between two pixel locations: no problem one is white the other is black.

In any other case you need to use some intermediate values for the adjacent pixels. Moreover when the line is not straight horizontal or vertical, you get aliasing effects (similar to sampled audio). To overcome this, the process uses some algorithm that introduces a kind of "blurring". There are multiple such algorithms, that might look nicer for one and more ugly for others.

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Guys, I give up.
I'm sorry...
I didn't want to create problems.
If you like this interface is fine, I will use another software.
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Old 01-27-2017, 02:01 AM   #440
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According to some episode of Super Nanny, you should not reward the loudest-thing nope.
And if there are more Pro's than common musiclovers/civilians in this galaxy, then I am Donald Duck.
Listen is gououd in all cases and our common thing.
If anyone is OK trying another DAW and manage then, you can handle change, what the heck.
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