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Old 04-30-2009, 04:39 PM   #321
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More Puppy news:

* Kernel updated to 2.6.29.2

* With the new PPM (Puppy Package Manager),the 'Ubuntu Studio' package installs and works like a charm

* Protected non-root mode coming soon
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Turbopup (the optimized Puppy derivative by synth ) goes 'Xtreme':



Xtreme mode for extra performance

and a 'Services Control Panel' for those who would like to restore the bloat



(still a work-in-progress)
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Woo-hoo! Even more great news:

* Barry returns as the coordinator for the Puppy 5.x series

* Two versions of puppy: a standard Ubuntu-compatible build (Upuptu ) and an even faster,slimmer T2 build ('Pure' Puppy)
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:34 PM   #324
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* Kernel updated to 2.6.29.2
The kernel authors have been on fire lately, especially that dude that did that entire branch of ALSA commits that were merged in 2.6.29.1, they are serious about getting ALSA compatible and stable with every soundcard out there. Linux audio is definitely entering an exciting new era...
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The Wikipedia page is updated as well (those guys are quick):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppy_Linux#History
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:18 PM   #326
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Woo-hoo! Even more great news:

* Barry returns as the coordinator for the Puppy 5.x series

* Two versions of puppy: a standard Ubuntu-compatible build and an even faster,slimmer T2 build
does having ubuntu compatability mean it can be installed from wubi somehow? my cd-rom drive is fried and i can't boot from usb, so i have no way to try puppy to see if i like it. guess i should just get off my butt and buy a new cd drive :-)
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does having ubuntu compatability mean it can be installed from wubi somehow? my cd-rom drive is fried and i can't boot from usb, so i have no way to try puppy to see if i like it. guess i should just get off my butt and buy a new cd drive :-)
www.virtualbox.org

or the Puppy Installer (coming soon with Turbopup)
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:37 PM   #328
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The kernel authors are serious about getting ALSA compatible and stable with every soundcard out there. Linux audio is definitely entering an exciting new era...
Don't forget the networking guys.

All we need now is a feature-complete / stable build of JACK2, good open-source ATI drivers (coming soon in k2.6.31.x)...

...and a native Linux build of rpr,of course
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:58 PM   #329
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Jack2 has REALLY rocked with ALSA. Making sure to add the alsa plugin that give ALSA it's jack hooks. Voila ONLY alsa and jack2 and none of those wierd endless /dev/shm probs AND it IS able to give firefox/flash/alsa/usb-headset/dual sound out choices with two alsa players all sweet.

Jack2 (1.9.x) needs to be running obviously to hear firefox flash audio and I 'think' that my jackified (jack as default output) ".asound" might be needed as well. Easy to find on the web and at alsa site. search: 'jack' AND '.asound'


Just an aside, the above.

Cool news as I just could not get into the puppy packages as they were. Too proprietary or cobbled sorta, uh, and stuff. (my opinion of course - and I've not gone way deep on much of puppy so far - I had a week of grief once, even with a relentless 'can do' vibe, and thought ... I'll wait - Sooooo sounds promising!)

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More great news:

JACK2 & FFADO on Turbopup Xtreme
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JACK2: Unlike JACK 0.116.1, this build (1.9.2) works great. No MIDI support yet,but the performance is amazing:

- It handles timeouts of up to 15000 ms
- Latency is 2.5x lower (on a single core machine) according to my 'low latency stress test'
- This build is much more stable (doesn't disconnect)

The only issues are incompatibility with AlsaPlayer and GUI problems with QJackCtl.
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Just out of curiosity, when will Turbo Pup be released synth? Is it going to be a 4.2 thing? or a 5.x thing?

A high performance audio Puppy is probably what I'm going to want eventually. Although I'm loving my beefed up standard Puppy 4.2 for ordinary desktop.

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Latest news:

Puppy 5.x:
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- Kernel upgraded to 2.6.29.3
- More efficient and much smaller apps for Puppy - now programmed using the Genie programming language
- Even faster performance

Turbopup Beta 1 (WIP):
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- Turbopup with JACK2 plays the BradSucks demo @ 2ms (without Xruns) on a single core box.
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- More efficient and much smaller apps for Puppy - now programmed using the Genie programming language
I started looking at this language myself out of interest. Python like language compiling to C then to machine code? Yes please.

Unfortunately - other than what Barry wrote on his page, there's not a lot of information out there on this language which makes for a bit of a bummer.

But I'm looking on with interest.

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Turbopup Beta 1:
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- Turbopup with JACK2 plays the BradSucks demo @ 2ms (without Xruns) on a single core box.
That sounds like a challenge.

If I can't get the same result - will you show me how to do it? I'm assuming Beta 1 is downloadable.

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What soundcard are you using?
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That sounds like a challenge.
Turbopup Xtreme (WIP) / JACK2 :
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The 'Xtreme' version with zero overhead performs even better
With the latest tweaks,Brad Sucks is playing @ 1.45 ms (32 samples @ 44.1kHz / 32bit) without Xruns on the same old clunker
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impressive. jack2 and all. nice.
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Turbopup Xtreme (WIP) / JACK2 :
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The 'Xtreme' version with zero overhead performs even better
With the latest tweaks,Brad Sucks is playing @ 1.45 ms (32 samples @ 44.1kHz / 32bit) without Xruns on the same old clunker
Talk to me synth - what do I have to do to get my hands on this?

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Turbopup strikes back
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The latest WIP build of Turbopup Xtreme kicks ass:

Xrun-free Brad Sucks @ <1 ms (22 samples @ 44.1kHz / 32bit) on the same ol' box.
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RUN AWAY. Do not walk. RUN as fast as you can.

Root by default is just plain irresponsible. Most likely it is being lazy.

*NIX can be secure, but you better be running a version with mandatory access controls, such as SE-LINUX

Sorry for the harsh words, but this is from someone that does computer related security for a living.

That said the other things sound good.
if you're serious about recording you will never record with network on. Make a windows profile with network card and services disabled. Same with puppy : being root with network unabled (just unplug your modem) is NOT a security issue.
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... being root with network unabled (just unplug your modem) is NOT a security issue.
Well, maybe not where networking is concerned, but networking isn't the only security concern on any computer system. One 'rm -f' where you didn't mean to apply it as root, and your system can turn into burnt toast.

There are excellent reasons why the distinction exists between the normal user and the root admin (even the geniuses at Microsoft finally figured that out). Yes, you can ignore them, that's one of the nice things about Linux, but you do ignore them at your peril. You're also more susceptible to hard lock-ups when running as root. Priority can work against you then.

I'm still unsure why anyone needs to run as root. I get ~5 msec latency on both my production machines, with 0 xruns, and I run as normal user. A properly configured rt/low-latency system should allow the same or close to those figures for a normal user.
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Greets all - first post.

Here's where I'm at.

I'm a poor simple home user, so I won't be flashing any jaw-dropping kit-list as my sig. Lets get it out of the way now in fact - PC and Souncard. I might get an m-audio somethingorother later this year.

I cut my first DAW teeth on a free CubaseVST given to me some years ago. I mostly dabble in midi, I play guitar but have never recorded from an external source, most of my efforts were learning about mixing and reading volumes about mixing and mastering, not recording. I realise thats prolly a failing. Anyhoo..

I've been a Suse Linux user since about 1995 -- 5.1, I think and often contemplated the idea of my Host on Linux, I even tried to get it working with wine, to no avail. Seperate machines, no dual boot.

I discovered Reaper about 12 weeks ago, I read the Tutorial twice which I'd recommend to all noobs. I was very impressed albeit for the one or two midi failings, maybe the wrong word, that I was used to on Cubase.

I know I've come late to the board, and having waded through all the Reaper/Linux threads, I remain a little confused.

Is there a general concensus on which is the best way to go? With Reaper on Linux? Puppy? Arch? Keeping in mind my simple requirements!

I'm just off to get ISO's of both. Thank's to the skinny picked up here!

Oh yeah, PS.

I did manage to get Reaper working on SusE with wine wineasio jack etc, despite having an Nvidia - Audigy conflict, It reported no midi device (which I just figured was because of Jack selection intead of Alsa) and very low volume on audio.

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At first sight! Whoah - does it go on a quad core with 3gigs of ram!

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Hi synth,

I'm updating some pages at http://linux-sound.org and wondered whether Puppy Studio is available yet. I'd like to add it to the distros list when it's ready for public consumption.

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More Puppy news

A new Puppy derivative - DAW Pup:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=43282

Based on Puppy 4.2 SMP. Comes with Jack,QJackCtl,WINE and WineASIO.
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I have both of Ubunto and Puppy on installation Files. I am working on finding a good PC or laptop for Ubunto or Puppy. I cant decide which I might put on my next machine. I also have an emachine PC. (Windows XP).

I want to buy Reaper very soon. I have been wanting to buy it for years. I have rosegarden and muse and Hydrogen for Ubunto. I love linux and cannot wait to start working with it.
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Even more great news:

- Puppy 5 will use the cutting-edge 2.6.30.x kernel ,not 2.6.29.4
- It will be compatible with the upcoming Ubuntu Karmic Koala
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Even more great news:

- Puppy 5 will use the cutting-edge 2.6.30.x kernel ,not 2.6.29.4
- It will be compatible with the upcoming Ubuntu Karmic Koala
Synth,

please give us an appr. release date or a way to test drive snapshots please.
Since the beginning of this thread I'm waiting, and waiting, and waiti....

I understand you want to give out the best possible solution/distro you probably can, but one day you HAVE to throw it outta the window, so to speak.
And be sure that I admire your passion about this baby and/or linux/puppy in general.

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A new Puppy derivative - DAW Pup:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=43282

Based on Puppy 4.2 SMP. Comes with Jack,QJackCtl,WINE and WineASIO.
Just tried it from the livecd, the video performance is very bad, due to only using the opensource nvidia driver. Quite unusuable like this. And, even more strange, my wireless card does not work (works in plain puppy linux, though).

I wish there was a Linux distro in which Jack just works as it should. In Ubunut Jaunty the stupid rt-kernel is still broken (takes 100% on the second core) and after a while Jack refuses to start anyway, for whatever reason.

I wish I found a solution to make music and surf the internet at the same time. My Windows is just for music making and will get no internet connection and my ubuntu is unable to handle rt-kernel and Jack properly. Dual boot is quite a creativity killer, when you always have to boot into a complete isolated (from the net) OS to get your stuff done.

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fladd,

realtime jack performance depends alot on your processor architecture as well.
For SMP machine (multi core/cpu) there are real problems and also if you
want 64-bit, there's still alot of apps which don't work nicely (if at all).
Alas, I wouldn't count on VST and WineASIO for 64-bit neither.
If you'd really need that you'll either have to stay in 32-bit land or simply keep
going with Windows for these tasks, as I do

Have you tried Fedora 10/11 with the 'Planet CCRMA' overlay? I'm trying the
64-bit version right now (installed last night) because the CCRMA guys really do a
great job of putting things together. And they're doing it since a very long time
already. It's a university with a long history in computer aided music
creating/synthesizing/analyzing etc...

Mirror list for FC10:
http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/10/

Planet CCRMA:
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrm...anetccrma.html

Planet CCRMA instructions:
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrm...lanetnine.html


Maybe give it a spin? What do you have to lose anyway? As long as you can afford
the time spent to learn a few more things during the testdrive, it's all good (IMHO),
even if you finally wont keep this distro neither.

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I wish I found a solution to make music and surf the internet at the same time.
Thats easy!

Use 2 computers and a KVM switch to switch back and forth.
I've been doing this for years - really saves all the important stuff.
The internet computer is easilly repaired at a moments notice with a backup image - no need for silly antivir and all the other cpu intensive 'protection'! Having said that I only needed the backup once in the last 12 months.

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fladd,

realtime jack performance depends alot on your processor architecture as well.
For SMP machine (multi core/cpu) there are real problems and also if you
want 64-bit, there's still alot of apps which don't work nicely (if at all).
Alas, I wouldn't count on VST and WineASIO for 64-bit neither.
If you'd really need that you'll either have to stay in 32-bit land or simply keep
going with Windows for these tasks, as I do

Have you tried Fedora 10/11 with the 'Planet CCRMA' overlay? I'm trying the
64-bit version right now (installed last night) because the CCRMA guys really do a
great job of putting things together. And they're doing it since a very long time
already. It's a university with a long history in computer aided music
creating/synthesizing/analyzing etc...

Mirror list for FC10:
http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/10/

Planet CCRMA:
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrm...anetccrma.html

Planet CCRMA instructions:
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrm...lanetnine.html


Maybe give it a spin? What do you have to lose anyway? As long as you can afford
the time spent to learn a few more things during the testdrive, it's all good (IMHO),
even if you finally wont keep this distro neither.

Cheers,

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Hi,

I actually am on a 32bit system.
What bothers me most is that I had it running very nicely on Ubuntu a couple of weeks ago. But then one day, I started Jack and Reaper again, and Reaper's CPU usage is very high and even for Brad Sucks it stutters and everything. I did not change anything in my system. This is what makes me crazy. I know that it worked already. But it does not anymore, and I don't know why! Which kernel does also not matter. I know that the rt kernel is broken (100% cpu on second core), but even in the normal kernel, with a latency of 30 secs audio performance is very poor.

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fladd,

maybe it's a combination of faulty hardware and Ubuntu going really bad. They have to take a lot of critic for the way they design/build their system lately. It seems the more popular they become, the worse their system performs. It's clear that one can not please everybody out there and even less assure a flawless operation of all those diff. systems out there.

With my previous hardware I couldn't even run 1 reaper track without crackling and massive screen redrawing problems under linux.
But I had problems under Windows as well, even if not as bad as under linux.
Since I changed my hardware, things are way smoother. I'd even say that my system is way more linux friendly/compatible than the previous one.

Your problems maybe come from updated apps/kernels/security updates or whatever. I think it's best to not
touch your system anymore once it's working well. Disable automatic updates except for security fixes if you're using the same system for internet stuff.
And yes, making linux perform smoothly for audio work is not a simple task I'd say. I'm trying since 2 years now.
Have a look at the 'linux audio user' mailing list. Plenty of good advices there, many interesting discussions about linux audio and a lot to learn.

http://lad.linuxaudio.org/index.html

Hope this helps.

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Hey, thanks a lot Funkster,
not touching the system only works if this system is not my main desktop environment of course.
But I am experimenting with another solution now. I now have a triple boot with Ubuntu (for working and everyday computer usage), XP (for recording and mixing) and now AVlinux (for surfing the net while making some music without recording, since my device has no linux drivers).
Reaper runs very smoothly in AVlinux, already without the rt-kernel. However, I get some xruns. I hope they go away when switching to one of the two rt-kernels. The link to the distribution is: http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html

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Yeah, the AVLinux distro is really cool.
I already used the first version of it which was based on Ubuntu and ran quite smooth.
The new version seems also very nice (I have it also installed as my 3rd system ), though I'm having a bit of a stretch with the LXDE desktop and 'Remastersys'. Plus I have managed to hose my network access and can't even seem to configure it manually. I mean I can set it up with 'ifup', but it doesn't connect. Bummer.
Also the alsa-base.conf always loses my first audio device after a restart.

Since I'm no good at writing my own scripts yet, I guess I will simply reinstall it.

Other than that, I'm to the point now where I will use diff. OS's just like you. Each for the thing it's doing best:
  • Windows for Reaper & VST(i) recording/mixing
  • Fedora Core with the CCRMA overlay for 64-bit linux audio/video/graphics
  • AVLinux for VST trials under linux (besides native 32-bit linux audio apps).

The 2 'nix systems also serve me for internet stuff and another older PC for Office/Storage/Backup purposes.
Sometimes it looks like it's getting out of hand, but it's a fascinating journey on which I happen to pick up a lot of stuff I never thought I'd be willing to learn.

So, good luck for your quest of the holy linux audio grail.

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Well, I have to say I am quite impressed with AVLinux!

I installed the rt-kernel and I get a latency of 4ms without xruns (I could probably go even lower, but why?). This is with an onboard hda-intel soundcard.

I must admit I had to recompile the rt-kernel on my own, because the guy who made the kernel simply forgot to tick the config for supporting my wireless card when he compiled it. Compiling was totally easy with the tutorial that is included with the distro. Anyway, this is something most people will not have to do. Moreover, I already contacted the guy, so I guess this minor thing will be fixed soon. (And if anyone is interested in the kernels I built: http://www.fladd.de/stuff/linux/).

So, yeah, this distro seems to be exactly what I wanted. Everything works great so far. Reaper runs great, without graphic glitches or slowness or anything (even without the proprietary nvidia drivers!). XT2 also performs perfectly.


I can only encourage everyone to try this out!!!

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Hey, thanks a lot Funkster,
not touching the system only works if this system is not my main desktop environment of course.
But I am experimenting with another solution now. I now have a triple boot with Ubuntu (for working and everyday computer usage), XP (for recording and mixing) and now AVlinux (for surfing the net while making some music without recording, since my device has no linux drivers).
Reaper runs very smoothly in AVlinux, already without the rt-kernel. However, I get some xruns. I hope they go away when switching to one of the two rt-kernels. The link to the distribution is: http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html

fladd
Thanks for that. I'll keep AVLinux on my list.

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fladd, could you maybe send me the original bookmarks of AVLinux?
Since I use to simply 'move/copy' my actual firefox profile folder from distro to distro, I have accidentally overwritten the bookmarks.

That would be very nice, because there were 2 or 3 other interesting links as well.

TIA

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Sure, will do so later on (I am in Ubuntu right now).

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EDIT: Oh, and maybe I should not hijack this thread? I will make a new one for AVLinux.
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The first *true* SMP / multicore Puppy created using the Woof build system is out. It's a major upgrade and performs much faster on all systems - from old junk PCs to quad-core monsters.

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