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07-06-2012, 08:52 AM
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Why so much processing?
I have noticed that people seem to expect gobs of processing on every track. I have a professional facility where I use a PC to mix and edit music. Routinely can expect 80-100 tracks per song with all kinds of effects and routing. My question is, does music really need 400 plugins per song or am I missing something? My Core i3-530 doesn't have much trouble keeping up with the demand I place on it, yet I hear people complaining about bottlenecks with i7 machines? Please someone enlighten me...
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07-06-2012, 08:57 AM
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Do you use virtual synths? A single instance of something like U-he's Diva can cause a very respectable machine to throw its toys out of the pram.
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07-06-2012, 09:01 AM
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not much
Most times the instruments come to me printed already so I don't use more than a few at a time. Even so, there are times where I will have everything I need and the computer doesn't struggle. I'm aware that newer softsynths tax a computer pretty hard. I just can't see being against the limit with the tasks I'm asked to do. Do modern works have to have 4 or 5 eq per track, 2 comps, linear phase everything with an L3 on it?
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07-06-2012, 10:03 AM
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sometimes....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuppa Joe
Most times the instruments come to me printed already so I don't use more than a few at a time. Even so, there are times where I will have everything I need and the computer doesn't struggle. I'm aware that newer softsynths tax a computer pretty hard. I just can't see being against the limit with the tasks I'm asked to do. Do modern works have to have 4 or 5 eq per track, 2 comps, linear phase everything with an L3 on it?
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somtimes, i've found myself building effects pretty linearly lately. so ill eq, then ill add maybe a transient expander. then ill eq again. then ill add reverb (plugin insert instead of aux send) and then ill eq again. all in that order. so something like
EQ
Transient expander
EQ
Reverb
EQ
Dynamics
it happens just because of the decisions made at the time. no thought of optimization ever passes through my mind until i run out of cpu juice. and the more cpu juice i have, the more bloated projects get :P
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07-06-2012, 10:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuppa Joe
I have noticed that people seem to expect gobs of processing on every track. I have a professional facility where I use a PC to mix and edit music. Routinely can expect 80-100 tracks per song with all kinds of effects and routing. My question is, does music really need 400 plugins per song or am I missing something? My Core i3-530 doesn't have much trouble keeping up with the demand I place on it, yet I hear people complaining about bottlenecks with i7 machines? Please someone enlighten me...
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If its needed to achieve desired result, why not?
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07-06-2012, 10:25 AM
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I guess so...
One time I got a mix in where half the compressors weren't doing anything because the "engineer" didn't lower the thresholds. He was just turning knobs until he felt he did something. stuff like that bloating up sessions. If there's a specific chain that gives the result then great, but often misplaced or useless effects can bloat a session.
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07-06-2012, 10:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuppa Joe
He was just turning knobs until he felt he did something. stuff like that bloating up sessions.
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i bet that's the main problem: PEBKAC
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07-06-2012, 02:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Artbay
i bet that's the main problem: PEBKAC
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LOL!!!!
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07-06-2012, 03:10 PM
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The only way to keep me from occasionally going nuts on plug-ins and explode at 3,000 ft altitude is sticking with my dualcore as long as possible.
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07-06-2012, 03:47 PM
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To the original question 'does music need so much processing..?'
Check this out:
http://m.soundcloud.com/owduo/rosemarys-baby
Stereo pair, direct to two track, no processing. Sublime.
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07-06-2012, 06:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuppa Joe
One time I got a mix in where half the compressors weren't doing anything because the "engineer" didn't lower the thresholds. He was just turning knobs until he felt he did something. stuff like that bloating up sessions. If there's a specific chain that gives the result then great, but often misplaced or useless effects can bloat a session.
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Well, that might be he want the coloring of the plug - not the actual compression.
A CLA-2A brings stuff, working below the threshold or not.
Different strokes for different folks.
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07-06-2012, 08:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuppa Joe
I have noticed that people seem to expect gobs of processing on every track. I have a professional facility where I use a PC to mix and edit music. Routinely can expect 80-100 tracks per song with all kinds of effects and routing. My question is, does music really need 400 plugins per song or am I missing something? My Core i3-530 doesn't have much trouble keeping up with the demand I place on it, yet I hear people complaining about bottlenecks with i7 machines? Please someone enlighten me...
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I'm with you. I might have a few delays and a couple of reverbs setup on their own channels and whatever tracks need effects to them. Very much like it was done with hardware mixers and effects once upon a time.
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07-06-2012, 08:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boatbassguy
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i dont believe for one second that this was recorded with a single stereo pair.. its too good
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07-06-2012, 09:42 PM
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In the military the food tastes like crap, so you learn to doctor it up with healthy dose of whatever you have available; ketchup, hot sauce, whatever. The more the better. I suspect it's the same sort of thing with mixing audio; the worse the source tracks, the more sauce you need to cover things up.
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07-06-2012, 10:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuppa Joe
I have noticed that people seem to expect gobs of processing on every track.
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As said by andy, for the mixing & mastering part there is not
much need in processing power. For composing & sound
creation however, it's needed really really badly.
For fast workflow, I like having everything live, that means
running multiple instances of heavy VSTis with maximum
of 10 ms latency, so everything can be tweaked live.
This of course is the CPU bottleneck, where as for mixing
low latency is not needed.
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07-07-2012, 03:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoostus
i dont believe for one second that this was recorded with a single stereo pair.. its too good
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.... your loss.
Last edited by boatbassguy; 07-07-2012 at 03:36 AM.
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07-07-2012, 03:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoostus
i dont believe for one second that this was recorded with a single stereo pair.. its too good
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But it was And to top it off, the total cost of that stereo pair is ~$300.
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07-07-2012, 04:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timlloyd
But it was And to top it off, the total cost of that stereo pair is ~$300.
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OK, you've got me curious, what were the mics used to record this ?
Cheers
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07-07-2012, 04:27 AM
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Line Audio CM3s, direct to a Sound Devices 702 iirc (there's a thread somewhere on gearslutz about it). The whole EP is here ... and it's really good Those two play great music!
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07-07-2012, 08:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boatbassguy
.... your loss.
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Yes but you didn't mention they were using special green mic leads ;-)
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07-07-2012, 02:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Runaway
Yes but you didn't mention they were using special green mic leads ;-)
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Oh come on man! EVERYONE knows that without special green mic leads you've got no chance, regardless of how many fancy plugins and overclocked sizzlers you slap on there.
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07-08-2012, 10:54 PM
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that does sound good!
wow man it's good to hear excellent mic technique
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