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Old 12-01-2010, 11:30 AM   #1
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Default >> v4: Prerelease/Beta overview

REAPER 4.0 is now in the alpha/beta stage. Anyone who is interested can download the latest prerelease version of REAPER 4.0 from here: http://www.landoleet.org/ Please respect the rules listed at the top of the download page.

Added for emphasis: Prerelease software should be expected to have bugs. The purpose of a public alpha/beta/RC process is to help identify bugs in a real-world context. The software is not an advance copy of REAPER 4! Prerelease builds will contain experiments, tests, and lots of new code. If you come across a bug, please report it along with a recipe to reproduce.

On Windows, the prerelease installer includes a checkbox for “portable install.” If you check the box, and install the prerelease version into its own directory, then all user preferences and settings will be kept separate from your existing REAPER 3.x settings. On Mac, you can create a portable install by dragging REAPER.app from the installer DMG to its own folder, and creating a new, empty file in that folder named “reaper.ini”.

Features will be added and changed often throughout the prerelease stage, and prerelease builds may have buggy or unexpected behavior. The purpose of the prerelease stage is to get as much user feedback as possible, in order to guide the development of new features, and identify bugs. The prerelease stage is the middle of the development process, not the end of it.

To try to organize user feedback, we have started a number of topics in this forum for some of the specific new features, with topic titles like “v4: Take lane alignment.” If you have any feedback, bug reports, or suggestions about specific 4.0 features, please use the relevant topic, or the “v4: Everything else” topic.

v4 topics:
Flexible interface engine (WALTER)
Take lane alignment
Comping takes
Project Media/FX Bay
Media Explorer time selection
Media Item Properties dialog
Mouse Modifiers
Area selection and editing changes
Multichannel improvements
Track stereo width, improved panning modes
ReaSurround
Input FX chains

Everything else includes the full whatsnew changelog.

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Old 12-01-2010, 11:31 AM   #2
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Sweet!

edit: installed now - total sickness!

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Old 12-01-2010, 11:39 AM   #3
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Congrats guys...
Cannot way to try it !!!!
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Old 12-01-2010, 11:49 AM   #4
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OMG!!! Thank you so much!!! X-Mas came early this year. : )

So when you install V4 a box comes up that automatically uninstalls Pro Tools, Cubase, Logic etc. and then another box opens after that up that says "You're Welcome!!!". Nice feature! : )

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Old 12-01-2010, 11:54 AM   #5
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I believe that I may have inadvertently soiled myself. But that squishy feeling in my undergarments will have to endure until at least I have installed Reaper 4 and played with if for about 10 hours.

My cat is looking at me in an odd way, testing the air. Patience, little one...
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Old 12-01-2010, 11:55 AM   #6
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Looking good! I've always been critical of Reaper, even as a user. But this looks like it will be a great update. Going to download now! Thanks for the work so far.

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Thanks guys...

and nearly on time !

EDIT: OMG it´s 5 MB and it´s greeeeen

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Damn, I really wish I didn't have to go to work right now, but it's probably better it came out this morning otherwise, I wouldn't have slept!

Thanks guys!
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Sweet GUI!
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Old 12-01-2010, 12:04 PM   #10
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Yay Big congratulations from chilly UK!! Now it really does feel like xmas is coming early this year!

R4 changelog looks great - I can hardly wait to start playing. I'm now torn between meeting an obligation and blowing it out to play with R4

As a first observation, it would be nice if some of the other really small FR's (where it's trivial programming) could make it into R4 as well. There are plenty of these, but for instance one of mine is zoom-dependent Ctrl+right/left behaviour for forward/backward that's appropriate at whatever zoom level. I'm not looking so much to plug my pet FR, but it strikes me that there are plenty of FR's / nitpicks that constitute minor programming that could really give R4 the polish it deserves during this major development phase.

Exciting times - keep up the good work!!!

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OMG!!! Thank you so much!!! X-Mas came early this year. : )

So when you install V4 a box comes up that automatically uninstalls Pro Tools, Cubase, Logic etc. and then another box opens after that up that says "You're Welcome!!!". Nice feature! : )
Mine delivered pizzas!!? :O AMAZING!!

We love you, Cockos.

Oh, and thank you very very much - Happy Holidays
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Old 12-02-2010, 03:45 AM   #12
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>Jaw drops<

Wow, this is awesome, well done and thanks guys.
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Old 12-02-2010, 08:24 AM   #13
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Mine delivered pizzas!!? :O AMAZING!!

We love you, Cockos.

Oh, and thank you very very much - Happy Holidays
And on the end of the installer it could ask for your paypal account and return you the 10000 euros/dollars you spend for other sequencers the last 10 years :-)

That would be a killer feature ;-P
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Old 12-01-2010, 11:45 AM   #14
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Default xmas has come early...yaho

thanks..thanks and thanks dave
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Old 12-01-2010, 12:46 PM   #15
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This is very nice! Love it.

Installed in a new sub directory - saved my reamenus and then went with the new default 4.0 menus. I really like how cleaned up the menus are! Great job! The overall look of the GUI is clean and easy to figure out.

I need to sort through the issue of keeping the reamenus to still appear for 3.7+.

Do we install the latest SWS extensions or wait? For now, I'm waiting.


Again, this is a great looking and powerful DAW you guys have.

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Can't install to "C:\Program Files (x86)", must be a permissions/UAC thing.
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Old 12-01-2010, 01:02 PM   #17
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Yee-hah!
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Old 12-01-2010, 01:18 PM   #18
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Lots of goodies to look into. Thanks very much to the wonderful Cockos guys!
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Old 12-01-2010, 01:32 PM   #19
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oh thank you just for that little tack [IMG]http://img694.**************/img694/329/tack.jpg[/IMG]

and I am sure that there are more important updates than this as well, this is just the first thing i checked I just hope the sticky MIDI note behaviour was fixed, oh please please please

Default GUI looks very good

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Old 12-01-2010, 01:21 PM   #20
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EEEK..

Many thanks to cockos for including us bums in shaping things for V4!

need to delve deeper before i give feedback, but direction seems good..

2 things that have passed my little brain in the short time:

Automation? << any love ?

elastic audio/warp type features? << ?

FX browser polishing also comes to mind.

anyways i appreciate its alpha 1 but just asking if there is consideration .


many thanks - [back to play]
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Old 12-01-2010, 01:22 PM   #21
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OH MY GOD.

Mixer layouts.

CREAM.
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Friend of mine called me with this news. I'm in the middle of a mix(by myself).

Going to be an interesting weekend. Lots to discover.

Someone pull out the Obama skit. It's appropriate.
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CREAM.
Great - And very flexible

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Old 12-01-2010, 01:31 PM   #24
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Don't like the new look, changed back to version 3.00 theme.
Hope a better theme come out soon. The track colours look drab in the TCP.
Don't think I'll get used to it.
Don't get me wrong. There's a lot of great stuff here, but I'll stick with White Tie 3.0.
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This is very nice! Love it.


Do we install the latest SWS extensions or wait? For now, I'm waiting.

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Bazinga! Lots of stuff to dig into here.
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Heaaaaaaaaaaaven.... I'm in Heaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaven just like the SONG!!!!

Speeechless guys, speeechless, feel like a kid with a brand new toy!!!!!

Thumbs up to Cockos & All

Good testing!!!!
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Sounds like a very nice update.
However, after Justin mentioned he has Reaper running on Linux, I really expected a Linux version to be (one of) the big news for Reaper 4. Thus, I am a bit disappointed. It would have been a reasonable step also.

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observation: track monitor button is a little confusing. i know red means stop/off/etc., but maybe the monitor on state should be green , or the monitor button should be x'ed some how.
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observation: track monitor button is a little confusing. i know red means stop/off/etc., but maybe the monitor on state should be green , or the monitor button should be x'ed some how.
YES.

i was trying to use the virt midi keyboard and didn't know if i was monitoring or not, red = not monitoring and 'nothing' = monitoring. topsy turvy!!

some other colour such as green would help.
the monitor button is also now quite a distance from the ARM button. they are kind of brothers/sisters/cousins so should be close i think as they have been in the past... no cousin gags please
think of new users trying to play a synth who haven't 'inserted virtual instrument' .... nightmare!!!
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Sounds like a very nice update.
However, after Justin mentioned he has Reaper running on Linux, I really expected a Linux version to be (one of) the big news for Reaper 4. Thus, I am a bit disappointed. It would have been a reasonable step also.

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What my big concern is, however, and I think this is a large part of the team's hesitation as well, is that even if linux was ported, thus making it the most amazing linux DAW and perhaps increasing our community by double, is that many plugins and much hardware would still not function in linux... So though it would be a really great thing to draw new users, it would be of no use to most of us, even those who, like me, would switch if only we could.

But we can't. That's why the linux port can't be part of the NEW 4.0. Because that's for us. But hopefully it'll be here soon--max by 4.5, because it might mean everything for the future of REAPER.
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Do we install the latest SWS extensions or wait? For now, I'm waiting.
I'd say: yes, wait (and focus on the v4 instead ): we'll have a deep look on that, we have some time. Of course, if you want to, any compatibilty issues with the SWS extension vs v4 alpha would be welcomed here. At very first sight, at least a huge cleaning could be done..

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You gotta admit, in contrast to these mockups, even v3 default skin looks better than v4. I must say I'm slightly underwhelmed by the current default GUI in v4...
ED, I know this mockup is famous.. but sometimes beautiful PNGs (and that for sure) could be on top of a very bad idea. GUI is all about dynamics, in the first place..
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ED, I know this mockup is famous.. but sometimes beautiful PNGs (and that for sure) could be on top of a very bad idea. GUI is all about dynamics, in the first place..
Yep, it's about dynamics, which slowed down for me on v4... really, I have expected a complete overhaul, however I got what's IMHO worse default GUI than v3 default GUI (not wanna draw comparisons with other absolutely stunning v3 skins like RADO and some others, there's no contest here). I firmly hope this GUI is gonna be replaced with something that's cleaner cut, and gosh get rid of that green already. Reaper should look more professional, and IMO, Brice's GUI mockup is the epitome of professionalism.
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I'm bummed, I didn't read properly.....I was not aware those were mockups, I thought they were real

Oh well, all excited over nothing.......
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Yep, it's about dynamics, which slowed down for me on v4... really, I have expected a complete overhaul, however I got what's IMHO worse default GUI than v3 default GUI (not wanna draw comparisons with other absolutely stunning v3 skins like RADO and some others, there's no contest here). I firmly hope this GUI is gonna be replaced with something that's cleaner cut, and gosh get rid of that green already. Reaper should look more professional, and IMO, Brice's GUI mockup is the epitome of professionalism.
Agree 100% with this post.
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Designing a GUI like in Brice's mockup, would take a complete Cockos dev. team on its own. It's not a simple task. And that's how the big companies pull that off.

Looks like we get a new script-based UI system (WALTER) with v4. That looks like a big deal, for now and for things to come.

Nevertheless, I am still hoping for more UI-wise in the 4.0 release... vertical dockers, detachable TCP, top docking space, stackable panels...
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Yep, it's about dynamics, which slowed down for me on v4... really, I have expected a complete overhaul, however I got what's IMHO worse default GUI than v3 default GUI (not wanna draw comparisons with other absolutely stunning v3 skins like RADO and some others, there's no contest here). I firmly hope this GUI is gonna be replaced with something that's cleaner cut, and gosh get rid of that green already. Reaper should look more professional, and IMO, Brice's GUI mockup is the epitome of professionalism.
Brice's gui ideas appear to be great - yet I can see it as looking close to an airplane cockpit - kind of busy. But still, it would work and I would be happy with his mock-up as well being implemented.

What I like in the current R4 gui: It's very clean and crisp looking. Not cluttered. Colors? The green and silvery look is fine. As long as it's not something that burns my eyes out. I could work with this look and be content.

What would I change if I could wave a wand? - - the 2nd layer windows. The Item Properties, Routing, Fx, sends/receives, automation - all of those could have used some polish. But all in all, no real complaints.




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Not overly impressed with the GUI so far myself either - though there are some nice touches. The bigger transport buttons are welcome...

And I like the "Set track layout options" - options for larger meters, wider panel (right click TCP to find options). Shame the master panel doesn't seem to have the same options.

I'm not getting meter action when using virtual instruments though (MIDI action is present, I get sound and action in the master meters, but not in the track it's on). Anyone else have this problem?

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What would I change if I could wave a wand? - - the 2nd layer windows. The Item Properties, Routing, Fx, sends/receives, automation - all of those could have used some polish. But all in all, no real complaints.
i'm generally very pleased with it, and i'm sure themers are going to go mental on it, but i agree with the above point.

the expanded track view panels are a little rough at this point but i'm sure that'll be addressed anyway... this *is* alpha 1, remember...
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Yep, it's about dynamics, which slowed down for me on v4... really, I have expected a complete overhaul, however I got what's IMHO worse default GUI than v3 default GUI (not wanna draw comparisons with other absolutely stunning v3 skins like RADO and some others, there's no contest here). I firmly hope this GUI is gonna be replaced with something that's cleaner cut, and gosh get rid of that green already. Reaper should look more professional, and IMO, Brice's GUI mockup is the epitome of professionalism.
I work together with videos and animations so a gray dominant color would be great to adjust my eyes correctly and really write music for a red sunrise or a green forest :-)
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