Parameter Modulation ++

[DarkStar]

At the moment, a plug-in parameter can be linked to (controlled by) another plug-in parameter on the same track:



How about?
(a) being able to add a link from any parameter of any plug-in on ANY track?
(b) an additional choice "link all", to provide a Master / Slave link for instances of the same plug-in?
(c) an overview view where you can see / connect / edit every PM?

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FR in the Issue Tracker:
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=5067
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Archaeological dig: Related Issues:
Add MIDI CC (Track) to Parameter Modulation
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=3771

Linking the same plug-in across tracks
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=2783

Parameter modulation: LAG slider
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=4076

Parameter Modulation Improvements (including ranges and an overview)
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=4014

Parameter modulation overview
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=3798

Parameter Modulation: Link from parameter - Multiplier / Strength
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=2919

Parameter Modulation: phase offset for LFO
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=4639

[Jae.Thomas]

umm yes.

I have needed this on every project. Not a showstopper, but something that takes additional time

[ivansc]

So- I support this on principle as it has potential to be VERY handy indeed in a lot of different scenarios.

Where is the FR to vote on again?

[James HE]

This will be good if we also get a Parameter Modulation overview view where you can see and connect everything.

[DarkStar]

Originally Posted by ivansc

Where is the FR to vote on again?

Not posted yet.

[spinlud]

It is very interesting, open new creative ways of modulation. I think that no daw have this feature at the moment, neither ableton

[hamish]

I guess you would want a 'tree' type of thing to [+]expand by firstly track and then plugin, in order to access the parameter, as well as a 'drag and drop' (link parameter mouse modifier?) functionality between open plugin gui's or something like that.

Slightly OT, I'd really like ability to map a MIDI item CC data to parameter modulation.

[adaragray]

isn't that what the parameter linker is for?
https://stash.reaper.fm/13805/linker4.txt

[Soli Deo Gloria]

This is something that could be extremely useful! It´s true that the parameter link plugin does it, but this could be more easily done if it was included in Reaper´s own features.

+1 and waiting for the tracker issue to vote...

[DarkStar]

^^^^
here it is:
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=5067

[Soli Deo Gloria]

And there you have my vote! Very good idea!

[DarkStar]

Originally Posted by hamish

Slightly OT, I'd really like ability to map a MIDI item CC data to parameter modulation.

http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=3771

And several others gathered in my original post.

[hamish]

Originally Posted by adaragray

isn't that what the parameter linker is for?
https://stash.reaper.fm/13805/linker4.txt

I hadn't noticed that one, thanks.

[XITE-1/4LIVE]

YOu guys have been missing out on Scope DSP for the last 15 years. Everything can modulated by anything.
Imagine dynamic EQs and Velocity controlled Sidechaining of Source audio.
Notes triggering Filter tracking as their natural frequencies are tracked by a filter placed with offsets at any note you choose.
DAW developers just need time as these are realtime calculations, but not all of them.
So this century would be a great time.
Until then I stay using DAWs as a host to VSTi's and use Scope for mastering.
It was only a few years ago did Cubase even allow external hardware integrated into it's app.
We had that back in '99.

[lxm]

Already have an FR no? With many votes... No action however

http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=2783

Oh and voted!

[lxm]

Originally Posted by XITE-1/4LIVE

YOu guys have been missing out on Scope DSP for the last 15 years. Everything can modulated by anything.
Imagine dynamic EQs and Velocity controlled Sidechaining of Source audio.
Notes triggering Filter tracking as their natural frequencies are tracked by a filter placed with offsets at any note you choose.
DAW developers just need time as these are realtime calculations, but not all of them.
So this century would be a great time.
Until then I stay using DAWs as a host to VSTi's and use Scope for mastering.
It was only a few years ago did Cubase even allow external hardware integrated into it's app.
We had that back in '99.

Bitwig has some pretty cool new *easy* sidechain possibilities going on. Check it out.

[airon]

Bitwig has something great called modulation sources, which you can then route to parameters.

So it's one source that can have many targets.

I'm pretty sure people will want to control those modulation sources like they do normal parameters, with MIDI/OSC controllers.

I reckon it may be handled like this in Reaper :

Modulation Source view

Modulation types

• LFO
  We all know this. Everyone's got the t-shirt.
  
  
• Audio source derived
  Would be like a receive. You specify the track and channel(s) and go.
  
  
• Link connection
  
  Take one or more parameters as a source and have their changes modulate the targets.
  
  The simplest connection is one-way, 100% mirroring for the target. More complex stuff may be two-way stuff, scaling differently for each target.
  

The distinct advantage here is that all the modulations are in one place, and can be presented in varying ways, so here's one that may be useful.

Tripple-view.
Left panel is a list of existing modulation sources.
Middle panel contains the settings.
Right panel contains the modulation targets.



Apart from using the Modulation Source view directly, users should be able to create these basic connections from the FX Chain window/plugin window via the "Param" button.

Modulate by / modulation source
Create new link connection from parameter


The modulation source view can also contain functions to hook up controllers to modulation parameters. Some folks might even wish to automate those. Who know, we might get an actual new type of track from this, the modulation source track, just for automating these modulation source parameters. Crazy people will want to modulate them with other modulation sources. Let them .

[joe2]

I've just voted for this. But I found it because I was looking for the following, somewhat related, but kinda OT:

"Ways to save and recall parameter modulation settings"

It seems you can save parameter modulation with a track template. Good, this makes sense, and I'm glad you can save it somewhere other than the project.

It seems you can't save parameter modulation with FX presets. This is probably reasonable; I'm not sure I'd want them there.

However, it would be nice to be able to recall modulation settings *without* having to create a whole new track from a template. I can't see a way to do this at present. (Please let me know if there is one.)

It feels like such functionality would probably have to be connected to FX somehow, because modulation settings (presumably) work on a per-FX basis. So maybe there should be an option to "save FX parameter modulation settings with FX presets". I imagine this would be the quickest, easiest way to implement this.

But done differently, this could potentially allow you to reuse modulation settings. e.g. save settings for ReaPitch instance 0, then apply same settings to ReaPitch instance 1.

Such a system would be more complex: it would possibly have to make assumptions about what to do if a plugin was configured differently, e.g. ReaPitch can have multiple shifters, ReaEQ multiple bands, etc.

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Let me know if this is worth starting a new topic about, or if there are any related threads I should read. I'll continue to dig for such in the meantime.

Cheers.

[DarkStar]

Bump!

AND PM audio control signals have to be on the same track too; why not let us choose any track as the sorce.

At the moment, I have to Send the source track to the destination track (say, to channels 3+4) and then select 3+4 in the PM drop-down. All a bit unnecessary (and it complicates the routing matrix view too).

Suggestion:
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/wc08bFC.png

[clepsydrae]

For the record, this is the FR I made after a recent post on the subject, unaware that the others existed... I should probably mark it as a duplicate: http://forums.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=5387
...but mine does also suggest the ability to "link" not just parameters in an instantiated plugin but also some or all of the plugins in a given chain from one chain to another... so you can reconstruct all the FX in a given track and know that the changes are propagated to another track.

This would be tremendously handy.

[X-Raym]

(a) being able to add a link from any parameter of any plug-in on ANY track?

+1 !!

[AndreyMarchenko]

We need option where it will be possible to Turn On/Off LFO re-trigger.

[Rodan27]

An overview where you can view/edit/create Parameter Modulations would be fantastic.

The MIDI Link Parameter Modulation feature added in 5.11 is a nice touch, and I feel like we're so close to being able to create macros similar to Ableton Live. All the tools are there right now to do it with Parameter Modulation, but a dedicated view for all your PMs would greatly improve the workflow.

[noise_construct]

I definitely vote for this to be introduced in core, but meanwhile user mcp is working on a script-based solution http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?p=1614663

[MonkeyBars]

+1 modulate any parameter from MIDI on any track

Is this possible yet? Perhaps there's a workaround someone can delineate here.

[Reaktor:[Dave]]

I'm using a workaround with a jsfx plugin. It only works with midi parameters, though.

Use this plugin on a track pair you want to connect via parameter modulation. https://stash.reaper.fm/27107/pmacrosstracks
Place it to %APPDATA%\REAPER\Effects (Windows) or ~/Library/Application Support/REAPER/Effects (OS X). Restart Reaper, there should be a new plugin called "Parameter Modulation Across Tracks".
Each parameter modulation pair needs to be parameter modulated with the same number from the plugin. If you need more than 8 sliders, just set the Offset-Slider to 8 (which skips the first eight sliders). Mind you have to sync the Offset-Slider for each parameter modulation pair higher than Slider 8!

Here is a master/slave-version of the plugin https://stash.reaper.fm/27108/pmmasterslave.zip
It's two plugins and they work the same. However,the plugin "Parameter Modulation Controller" only sends to "Parameter Modulation Receiver" meaning any movement you do on the "Receiver" will be ignored on the "Controller".

Hope this helps a bit until we get PM++.

[Gass n Klang]

Well, we need this in REAPER. This was the reason, I first gave Bitwig my money... If bitwig hadn't other childhood diseases, I would leave REAPER for that feature behind me and go with bitwig. It's not just possible there, it is integrated flawlessly.

I just don't want to work with workarounds. Work should be fun.

[MonkeyBars]

It's pretty strange this doesn't already exist, considering all the amazing routing options in Reaper.

I thought I could use a ReaControlMidi plugin on the source track, and route CC data through it to a "Midi bus" but that's not how that works apparently.

[Droinkus]

I ran into this issue the other day and was kinda surprised that with all it's routing voodoo, parameters can't be linked across tracks.

+1

[X-Raym]

Meanwhile,
take a loot at mpl script :

Lua: Mapping Panel - Cockos Confederated Forums

[MonkeyBars]

Originally Posted by X-Raym

Meanwhile,
take a loot at mpl script :

Lua: Mapping Panel - Cockos Confederated Forums

Thanks XR. In this post you say that it's only good for online render. I assume you mean that it can be used for mixing/production as well, just not offline render?

[RCJacH]

It would be really nice to be able to select multiple modulation sources for a parameter, and a formula section for user input using standard mathematics, with a default value of Out=In1.
We can input custom formula for each instance, which I did not find a way to do with JS.

[mpl]

...but with my script it is possible

[X-Tech]

Originally Posted by X-Raym

Meanwhile,
take a loot at mpl script :

Lua: Mapping Panel - Cockos Confederated Forums

Use this script if you want param modulation of fx between tracks. This is very good for that kind of requiements.

[RCJacH]

Originally Posted by mpl

...but with my script it is possible

Woah, that's really awesome! I do notice that all modulations are disabled once I closed the script window. It would be really nice to make it a native function so we can use it to make all kinds of rack templates (e.g. analog emulations using few macros).