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10-18-2014, 04:32 AM
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midi notes 1 oct higher than in fl studio
hi,
iam trying to transfer some fl studio projects to reaper but the imported midi notes are "sounding" one oct. higher than in fl studio but the midi note is exact the same as in fl studio !?
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10-18-2014, 04:54 AM
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In Preferences->Media->Midi there is a setting regarding display octave - but don't know if that fix anything since you say -sounding wrong.
It's common that there is a root midi key setting to C-2 or something in daws - but don't know the Reaper solution to this.
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10-18-2014, 05:06 AM
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if i play a midi note in one prgm i think it has the same pitch at the same midi note in an other daw !?
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10-18-2014, 05:19 AM
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If you are using the same VSTi with identical settings, that should be true (and likely is). If you are using different instruments, then it's completely up to the instrument (and how you set it) to decide how it interprets your data. The DAW has no say there, it can only send the note numbers you gave it.
Last edited by gofer; 10-18-2014 at 05:26 AM.
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10-18-2014, 05:21 AM
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You can transpose these rather easy otherwise.
Select any number of midi items.
Press F2 for properties
Press properties button there and you will get a dialog saying it's viewing one item at a time.
Just fill in the transpose you want there, and done.
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10-19-2014, 04:47 AM
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i have a C5 playing in fl studio with a standard bazille. no changes here.
i export these notes and import them in reaper - 1 octave higher!
but nevermind, it's not so important to have a sunday afternoon get lost ;-)
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10-19-2014, 05:05 AM
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What is a "standard bazille"?
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10-21-2014, 02:16 AM
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it's the init (default) patch from u-he's bazille modluar vst
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10-21-2014, 02:31 AM
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Aha So you're using the very same instrument and patch in Reaper, yes?
Ok, that's weird then.
Is there a way in FL to see the MIDI note numbers (as opposed to the note names) before the export to a MIDI file?
If yes, it would be interesting to compare it to the note numbers as shown in Reaper.
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10-21-2014, 03:05 AM
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i have a midi note playing in fl studio at C5 after exporting and importing it shows in reaper as C4. no i can't see the note number in fl studio and yes i changed the root note in fl studio first. strange
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10-21-2014, 03:29 AM
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FL Studio uses C5 for middle C. Reaper uses C4 for middle C (by default, but this can be changed). So, that's good what your import in Reaper shows - means that things haven't changed.
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10-21-2014, 04:17 AM
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they have changed. the reaper note is sounding 1 oct higher !
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10-21-2014, 04:36 AM
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To be absolutely clear, do you mean that the same MIDI file being played by the same plug-in, in Reaper and FL Studio, sounds an octave apart?
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10-21-2014, 04:52 AM
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yes, that's what i mean
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10-21-2014, 05:06 AM
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Yeah I can't confirm that here.
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10-21-2014, 05:28 AM
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I run into similar issues all the time. Most imported bass midi files need to be transposed one octave down. I guess ED is saying we can change that in preferences somewhere...
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10-21-2014, 05:55 AM
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The change in preferences is just visual - doesn't change how MIDI files are imported.
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10-21-2014, 06:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkStar
To be absolutely clear, do you mean that the same MIDI file being played by the same plug-in, in Reaper and FL Studio, sounds an octave apart?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ahs
yes, that's what i mean
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Can you post a small Reaper project AND the equivalent FL Studio project, so that users with both DAWs installed can have a look?
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10-21-2014, 09:04 AM
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C5 and C4 are note names. By MIDI note number I meant the number which is representing the C5 or C5 in MIDI language. While note names are subject to interpretation, the numbers should be the same across all MIDI devices. Eg, middle C always is note number 60. In default Reaper that would be shown as C4 and in FL as C5 (according to ED).
In Reaper you can see the MIDI note number in the right display field above the piano keys, when you hover above a note row. Or in the event properties of a note. Is it possible to look up that number in FL somewhere?
It would be interesting to see whether the numbers are the same or whether something is changed during the transfer to and fro a MIDI file, because it doesn't sound likely that u-he would get a note number 60 and interprets it differently depending on which host runs it.
I guess posting example projects the way DarkStar proposes would be most useful.
EDIT:
@ED, do you confirm for U-he bazille, or for any instrument?
If you have a bit of time to spend, would you go through the trouble and find out for a specific note:
a) the note number as shown in FL, before the export
b) the note number in the exported MIDI file (in XP I'd have used trusty old MIDI Ox, don't know a MIDI file viewer for newer OS, sorry, but MIDIphil as you are, maybe you have one at hand)
c) the note number after the import in Reaper
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that'd be tremendously helpful.
Of course they should be identical in all 3 places.
Last edited by gofer; 10-21-2014 at 09:19 AM.
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10-21-2014, 09:48 AM
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Bazille default patch is one octave LOWER from middle C. Doesn't change in any host I try.
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10-21-2014, 10:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilDragon
Bazille default patch is one octave LOWER from middle C. Doesn't change in any host I try.
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I don't think I understand . If it's the same across all hosts, how do you know it's low? Compared to what? A piano's middle C?
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10-21-2014, 07:52 PM
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In general different MIDI hardware (like drum machines and controllers) and software may one octave off on what note is a C3 (or whatever). Midi note 60 is consistent and it's safer to use the MIDI number, not the note name and octave.
It's messed me up programming drum machines, pads and such.
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