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02-15-2017, 07:41 PM
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Mystery solved - I was using an old license key. (thanks Ollie! )
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Rock on!!!! Glad you got that resolved
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02-15-2017, 09:16 PM
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Rock on!!!! Glad you got that resolved
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Thanks Jonathan!
Now on to the next problem ... getting OTR to recognize my VSTs.
I have quite a collection, everything from EW, Spectrasonics, NI, and then some soft synths (Alchemy, Iris, Synthmaster, etc.). Well over 2 TB.
Most important for me is Play and Spaces by Eastwest, which by default are installed here:
C:\Program Files\Common Files\East West\Vstplugins
I directed OTR to that location (Options > Preferences > VST plug-ins settings, and added the location in the space below.
Here's what I have in that box:
C:\Program Files\Native Instruments\VSTPlugins 64 bit;
C:\Program Files\Common Files\East West\Vstplugins;
C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Vstplugins;
C:\Program Files\KV331 Audio\SynthMaster;
C:\Program Files\Steinberg\VstPlugins;
C:\Program Files\REAPER (x64)\Plugins\VST Plugins\VST 64 bit plugins;
C:\Program Files\REAPER (x64)\Plugins\VST Plugins\VST 32 bit plugins;
C:\Program Files (x86)\Vstplugins\SONiVOX;
I double checked my C drive, and sure enough Play and Spaces are right where they should be, and Reaper should be able to scan them. See screenpic below.
I did the "Clear cache/re-scan" button multiple times, and went back and forth between OTR Reaper and my regular Reaper (where Play etc are still there).
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02-16-2017, 01:01 AM
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Thanks Jonathan!
Now on to the next problem ... getting OTR to recognize my VSTs.
I have quite a collection, everything from EW, Spectrasonics, NI, and then some soft synths (Alchemy, Iris, Synthmaster, etc.). Well over 2 TB.
Most important for me is Play and Spaces by Eastwest, which by default are installed here:
C:\Program Files\Common Files\East West\Vstplugins
I directed OTR to that location (Options > Preferences > VST plug-ins settings, and added the location in the space below.
Here's what I have in that box:
C:\Program Files\Native Instruments\VSTPlugins 64 bit;
C:\Program Files\Common Files\East West\Vstplugins;
C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Vstplugins;
C:\Program Files\KV331 Audio\SynthMaster;
C:\Program Files\Steinberg\VstPlugins;
C:\Program Files\REAPER (x64)\Plugins\VST Plugins\VST 64 bit plugins;
C:\Program Files\REAPER (x64)\Plugins\VST Plugins\VST 32 bit plugins;
C:\Program Files (x86)\Vstplugins\SONiVOX;
I double checked my C drive, and sure enough Play and Spaces are right where they should be, and Reaper should be able to scan them. See screenpic below.
I did the "Clear cache/re-scan" button multiple times, and went back and forth between OTR Reaper and my regular Reaper (where Play etc are still there).
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The configuration of OTR should not have an effect on this part of Reaper since Reaper will just rebuild those files.. Let's do this. Copy your exact vst path from the preferences of the Reaper install that you know is working. Then paste it in the OTR Reaper portable install. Then try the scan option again. Im thinking that perhaps the formatting got messed up when typing it in somehow.
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02-16-2017, 01:05 AM
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re vst paths
Hi Jonathan - I notice that you have some VST paths already set in the install - are they necessary?
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02-16-2017, 01:12 AM
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Hi Jonathan - I notice that you have some VST paths already set in the install - are they necessary?
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It is not necessary. That is the path left over from my personal DAW. Maybe i should remove that in future. Didn't consider that might lead to a misunderstanding I'm learning with everyone through this too. So great question! And I'll remedy that in the next update.
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02-16-2017, 01:24 AM
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It is not necessary. That is the path left over from my personal DAW. Maybe i should remove that in future. Didn't consider that might lead to a misunderstanding I'm learning with everyone through this too. So great question! And I'll remedy that in the next update.
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thought so
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02-16-2017, 02:12 AM
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Workflow Konakt Factory Lib
I don't get it.... Factory Library trackpack e.g. Strings - String ensemble. This has 5 midi tracks named for the different articulations/keyswitches -
is the patch supposed to be loaded 5 times in kontakt? - if so, what's the point? Thanks.
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02-16-2017, 06:38 AM
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I don't get it.... Factory Library trackpack e.g. Strings - String ensemble. This has 5 midi tracks named for the different articulations/keyswitches -
is the patch supposed to be loaded 5 times in kontakt? - if so, what's the point? Thanks.
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I hope you are genuinely wanting to know because I think this is an excellent question to those that may not be familiar with this process. There are 3 schools of thought in the composer world. One is hardly worth talking about, so I'll save it for last. But the first one is multi/keyswitch patches. The second is articulation based writing. The best way to illustrate this is pros/cons. But before we begin, know that the Kontakt Orchestra is a very basic illustration of what is possible with bigger libraries. It will really shine with larger libraries.
Keyswitch on a single lane VI
Pros: only takes up one lane in a daw
Cons: playback must be started before a keyswitch happens to hear the correct articulation of a recorded track ( this is however solved with proper expression mapping which Reaper does not yet have); generally there are more articulations than multi slots so you do not have access to everything; you have to remember what every keyswitch does for every library and every library is different; if you don't remember you have to load it up and check; if you are limited to less keyswitches than articulations, you have to design your keyswitch layout which again takes time and has no standard organization to remember; when passing the midi to a score editor, they will have a very difficult time doing their job if they don't know what articulations are used and whether the notes showing up on the score are keyswitches or not; this last point is a biggie
articlation based tracks
Pros: everything is there, composer just clicks on lane for needed articulation;not required to memorize articulations per track; able to balance template for changes in articulation volume; able to pass on midi to score editor with articulations intact; able to access all articulations without having to reorganize a multi each time; different mic control options for different articulation needs
Cons: before OTR, they were difficult to setup and took up a lot of space in the daw... but no longer; no other cons
So you can see why most composers would pick articulation based tracks for workflow efficiencies and being able to pass on the score so that it is edited properly for live players etc. For sketch tracks, nothing beats a keyswitch patch for simplicity. Most larger sample libraries provide single articlatuion and keyswitch patches to accommodate both workflows. But with kontakt orchestra, there is not a need because you can use one patch for both purposes since it is a fairly simple instrument. So, instead of loading up six different single articulation patches, you load up six of the same multi and preset the keyswitches.
Of note, if you chose to put an articulation per instrument track instead of organized in the manner demonstrated in that TrackPack, you'd have to Freeze/unfreeze each articulation each time you wanted to access it. OTR treats it as "all articulations per instrument" so you only have to enable or disable the track once. All of these improve workflow.
The third method would be to have a single lane instrument in your daw, but have some elaborate keyswitching methodology to a custom configured Kontakt NKM (like you see in the KFL Orchestra example....except much much more complex) or VEPro template.. You'd use tools like Bome Midi and elaborate Touch OSC layouts to control it all. Professionals that do this usually have a team of people managing it so they don't have to worry about it due to the maintenance and upkeep. They would also have prebuilt solutions for the scoring scenario with keyswitches. These are custom built and can only work for that one person.
Hope this helps illustrate it a little better. In the beginning a keyswitch patch sounds wonderful....but then reality sets in during the fast pace of sessions and different clients. That's when the articulation based management system shines (or a custom solution like example 3).
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02-16-2017, 02:36 PM
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Thanks
Thanks for the excellent response. Yes I wanted an answer! Will need to rethink my workflow but all for the good in the end.
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02-16-2017, 05:36 PM
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The configuration of OTR should not have an effect on this part of Reaper since Reaper will just rebuild those files.. Let's do this. Copy your exact vst path from the preferences of the Reaper install that you know is working. Then paste it in the OTR Reaper portable install. Then try the scan option again. Im thinking that perhaps the formatting got messed up when typing it in somehow.
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Ah thanks ... that did the trick.
Now Play and Spaces are working, that is a good start. I inserted my favorite Boesendorfer on the piano track, and Spaces on the hall reverb. So we're in business!
Next question: how do I get the rear channels to work? I used the quad template and there are front and rear reverb inserts for strings / brass etc but I can't see anything for piano.
Do I set up anything in the master channel?
Two nitpicks:
1. The track on which I inserted Piano (152) says "Kontakt" even though I picked Play
2. Latest version of Play is 5, not 4
Love the GUI by the way ... I think I'll start using the OTR layout, nice and compact.
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02-16-2017, 07:02 PM
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Ah thanks ... that did the trick.
Now Play and Spaces are working, that is a good start. I inserted my favorite Boesendorfer on the piano track, and Spaces on the hall reverb. So we're in business!
Next question: how do I get the rear channels to work? I used the quad template and there are front and rear reverb inserts for strings / brass etc but I can't see anything for piano.
Do I set up anything in the master channel?
Two nitpicks:
1. The track on which I inserted Piano (152) says "Kontakt" even though I picked Play
2. Latest version of Play is 5, not 4
Love the GUI by the way ... I think I'll start using the OTR layout, nice and compact.
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Great to hear! In the quad template, you can choose one of the fx user tracks for the pianos. They are located just below the string brass perc reverbs channels. The user FX channels are meant to be used for whatever purpose you desire. They are labeled F for front and R for rear like the strings channels.
The master channel should already have the rears pre-setup to go out your devices 3/4 outputs.
I'm a little puzzled by what you are asking on Piano 152. So I apologize if my answer is not what you are describing. But this particular instrument is a Kontakt instrument so it will load in Kontakt. When you choose an engine it is just for that one track. When you load in a TrackPack, it will load in with the sampler engine required by the VI.
You are correct about play being version 5. The version I had was 4 when i was working through setting up the template. BUT play will load the most current version on your computer. So in an update I will remove the number on its label. But just as a point of comparison, Kontakt treats its major version releases as separate plugins. So that is why Kontakt is labeled with its version number. When version 6 gets released of Kontakt, OTR will retain its versions for Kontakt so users can use either one.
Hope this helps! Glad you are finding it an enjoyable experience
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02-16-2017, 07:07 PM
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Ah thanks ... that did the trick.
Do I set up anything in the master channel?
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Oh! Just noticed in the image you have the third channel on the master channel Un-muted. This will loop the rear outputs back into the fronts in case you were using headphones or something. So right click on the third output on the master channel and mute it when using your quad setup and not using headphones.
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02-16-2017, 08:32 PM
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Ah thanks ... that did the trick.
1. The track on which I inserted Piano (152) says "Kontakt" even though I picked Play
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Oh! Now I get it! haha. I thought you were talking about Piano 162 by Ivy Audio in the Piano Collection. But I now see what you are talking about! That will be updated in the next update. It is just a text entry issue, so it won't affect the outcome. Good catch!
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02-16-2017, 09:03 PM
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I just started learning OTR today and I was watching your "Setting Up An Orchestral and Choral Hall" walkthrough.
I have Reverberate for a convolution reverb and so far, I haven't seen an IR set with multiple IR's of the same space in my collection of ir's.
I was wondering if you or any of the other Reaperites out there know of a "cheap" source of one?
BTW, everything seems to be hunky dory so far.
Thanks so much for doing what I was way to lazy to do for myself.
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02-16-2017, 10:16 PM
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Great to hear! In the quad template, you can choose one of the fx user tracks for the pianos. They are located just below the string brass perc reverbs channels. The user FX channels are meant to be used for whatever purpose you desire. They are labeled F for front and R for rear like the strings channels.
The master channel should already have the rears pre-setup to go out your devices 3/4 outputs.
I'm a little puzzled by what you are asking on Piano 152. So I apologize if my answer is not what you are describing. But this particular instrument is a Kontakt instrument so it will load in Kontakt. When you choose an engine it is just for that one track. When you load in a TrackPack, it will load in with the sampler engine required by the VI.
You are correct about play being version 5. The version I had was 4 when i was working through setting up the template. BUT play will load the most current version on your computer. So in an update I will remove the number on its label. But just as a point of comparison, Kontakt treats its major version releases as separate plugins. So that is why Kontakt is labeled with its version number. When version 6 gets released of Kontakt, OTR will retain its versions for Kontakt so users can use either one.
Hope this helps! Glad you are finding it an enjoyable experience
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I'm sorry ... I am really slow.
So I got the Piano on SFX. Only stereo through front speakers at this point. Now what do I do next?
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02-16-2017, 11:21 PM
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I haven't seen an IR set with multiple IR's of the same space in my collection of ir's.
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"Samplicity M7" (free) has two stereo files (Sound source left and sound source right) for all irs.
-Michael
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02-17-2017, 12:22 AM
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Thanks,
The multiple positions in the video mentioned are podium, 7th row and balcony ( or something like that) of Disney Hall included in Waves IR1.
I could mod a left/right ir pair but it won't be the same as ir's recorded from different locations in the same hall.
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02-17-2017, 12:48 AM
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Storyteller, ...just a quick note to say IMO you have done a spectacular job on OTR ... I have only had a very little time to get into it but I am mightily impressed with the amount of thought and work you put in, right down to the OTR theme that works beautifully with it.
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02-17-2017, 12:10 PM
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Couldn't agree with hopi more!
The attention to detail and scope of this undertaking leaves my tiny brain dumbfounded.
To me, this is a fantastic expression of what makes Reaper such a great DAW.
Thanks!
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02-17-2017, 01:33 PM
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Storyteller, ...just a quick note to say IMO you have done a spectacular job on OTR ... I have only had a very little time to get into it but I am mightily impressed with the amount of thought and work you put in, right down to the OTR theme that works beautifully with it.
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I agree ... it's impressive. To be able to show / hide entire sections with just one click of a button is really clever. It look super clean, job well done.
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02-17-2017, 02:26 PM
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Hi Storyteller...
OK Major suggestion:
On the windows OTR versions I think you really need to change the VST Plugins paths in the pref's so there is nothing there...
the ones you left in there that are for your system 'can' cause a problem... I really noticed it on this new PC cuz it has a user folder named "J"... which is close enough to yours to make it look in there and find stuff reaper should NOT be trying to understand as a plugin.
Not a hard thing for you to fix but it will really mess up some people... %^)
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02-17-2017, 04:10 PM
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Hi Storyteller...
OK Major suggestion:
On the windows OTR versions I think you really need to change the VST Plugins paths in the pref's so there is nothing there...
the ones you left in there that are for your system 'can' cause a problem... I really noticed it on this new PC cuz it has a user folder named "J"... which is close enough to yours to make it look in there and find stuff reaper should NOT be trying to understand as a plugin.
Not a hard thing for you to fix but it will really mess up some people... %^)
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already done or on its way - I mentioned that a day or so ago and Jonathan got back within about an hour to say he would fix that - just stuff left over from his system. You can safely delete it.
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02-17-2017, 05:23 PM
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I just started learning OTR today and I was watching your "Setting Up An Orchestral and Choral Hall" walkthrough.
I have Reverberate for a convolution reverb and so far, I haven't seen an IR set with multiple IR's of the same space in my collection of ir's.
I was wondering if you or any of the other Reaperites out there know of a "cheap" source of one?
BTW, everything seems to be hunky dory so far.
Thanks so much for doing what I was way to lazy to do for myself.
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Thanks! Glad you are enjoying it! As mschnell mentioned, Samplicity has some freebies that offer multi positions. On the commercial side of things, I used Waves IR-1, but Waves IR-L uses the exact same IR set. You just lose the ability to turn off early reflections and some other editing features. Still a great plugin for the money! You are really paying or the IR set. Eastwest Spaces is used by a lot of people as is Altiverb. I think both of these just use front and rear IRs. Regardless, just know that whatever you end up using, don't feel required to put three or four IRs on it if you don't need it. Use the channels you have an IR for. The goal is to emulate the multi-mic library recordings as best as possible with the resources you have.
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02-17-2017, 05:38 PM
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I'm sorry ... I am really slow.
So I got the Piano on SFX. Only stereo through front speakers at this point. Now what do I do next?
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Hey Peter, please don't apologize or say you are slow at all! I'd strongly disagree with that point as hopi said in a post as well. We all learn at the pace we can and that's always perfect.
So there are a combination of things in the picture you provided that I want to clarify.
1) If you use an orchestral hall or choir hall Track Type, then these will always be routed to the choir hall and/or orchestral hall. When using these types of tracks, consider that each of your channels in the hall FX section (e.g. CLOSE, STAGE, MID, FAR) will be treated as output to the FRONT channels by default. You would have to select one of the QUAD options on the Mix Options Toolbar to choose which set of speakers (FRONT or REAR) each channel will flow to. I believe around the 30 minute mark in the QUAD video is where this is discussed.
2) But for the most basic way of getting started with QUAD, choose a "Main Mix" track type. This will send the main instrument to the FRONTS.
3) Next, place a FRONT reverb on a Front FX USER track lane that has (F) on it. They should start around Track #100.
4) Place a REAR reverb on a Rear FX User track lane that has (R) on it.
5) Click on your track that you want to apply the reverb. It does not need to be in any specific category at all. It will work in whatever category (VI-C) you choose.
6) Add the inserts for the selected track for each respective REVERB track. This will probably be around track 100 & 101 if you used the first 2 FX USER tracks.
7) That's all there is to it! Congratulate yourself on creating a QUAD session by only inserting 2 FX channels on your track. You now have an instrument with a front reverb flowing to the front channels, and the rear reverb flowing to the rear channels.
If you need additional help, please keep posting. I'm sure I can safely speak on behalf of everyone by saying that we all want to help each other be successful with the tools we have available to us - OTR included!
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Storyteller, ...just a quick note to say IMO you have done a spectacular job on OTR ... I have only had a very little time to get into it but I am mightily impressed with the amount of thought and work you put in, right down to the OTR theme that works beautifully with it.
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Thank you! That really means a lot to me! I'm glad it has been so well received. I'm really looking forward to all the future holds with OTR.
Also - rather than replying in a separate post to your follow-up suggestion on the VST path, I wanted you to know this will certainly be addressed in the next update. And definitely thank you for pointing it out. I'm learning with everyone on this and just trying to be the best student I can be to make sure everything can work as seamlessly and smoothly as possible for all users.
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02-17-2017, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ironbut
Couldn't agree with hopi more!
The attention to detail and scope of this undertaking leaves my tiny brain dumbfounded.
To me, this is a fantastic expression of what makes Reaper such a great DAW.
Thanks!
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I agree ... it's impressive. To be able to show / hide entire sections with just one click of a button is really clever. It look super clean, job well done.
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Thank you both so much (and also to those that have offered compliments in the midst of their questions I've already responded to)! Track organization is one of the features I'm most proud of. It is one of the major stumbling blocks every user experiences (regardless of DAW platform). This is the very first time it has ever been implemented in such an easy-to-use-push-a-button manner - regardless of DAW.
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we love ya man... you are truly one of the 'reaper greats'...
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02-17-2017, 09:56 PM
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Hey Peter, please don't apologize or say you are slow at all! I'd strongly disagree with that point as hopi said in a post as well. We all learn at the pace we can and that's always perfect.
So there are a combination of things in the picture you provided that I want to clarify.
1) If you use an orchestral hall or choir hall Track Type, then these will always be routed to the choir hall and/or orchestral hall. When using these types of tracks, consider that each of your channels in the hall FX section (e.g. CLOSE, STAGE, MID, FAR) will be treated as output to the FRONT channels by default. You would have to select one of the QUAD options on the Mix Options Toolbar to choose which set of speakers (FRONT or REAR) each channel will flow to. I believe around the 30 minute mark in the QUAD video is where this is discussed.
2) But for the most basic way of getting started with QUAD, choose a "Main Mix" track type. This will send the main instrument to the FRONTS.
3) Next, place a FRONT reverb on a Front FX USER track lane that has (F) on it. They should start around Track #100.
4) Place a REAR reverb on a Rear FX User track lane that has (R) on it.
5) Click on your track that you want to apply the reverb. It does not need to be in any specific category at all. It will work in whatever category (VI-C) you choose.
6) Add the inserts for the selected track for each respective REVERB track. This will probably be around track 100 & 101 if you used the first 2 FX USER tracks.
7) That's all there is to it! Congratulate yourself on creating a QUAD session by only inserting 2 FX channels on your track. You now have an instrument with a front reverb flowing to the front channels, and the rear reverb flowing to the rear channels.
If you need additional help, please keep posting. I'm sure I can safely speak on behalf of everyone by saying that we all want to help each other be successful with the tools we have available to us - OTR included!
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You're very kind.
Let's go back to step 2, and then one step at a time.
How do I choose a "main mix" track type?
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You're very kind.
Let's go back to step 2, and then one step at a time.
How do I choose a "main mix" track type?
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Right click on a category that you want to place a track. Choose "insert track from template -> OTR Defaults ->" now choose either "samplers" or "blank". When you make your selection, make sure the track template you choose says "Main Mix" in the name.
The other options are "to orchestral hall" "to choir hall" and "OTR mapped." Each one routes audio a little differently as described in the manual. But main mix is the easiest way to learn how to use the template.
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Right click on a category that you want to place a track. Choose "insert track from template -> OTR Defaults ->" now choose either "samplers" or "blank". When you make your selection, make sure the track template you choose says "Main Mix" in the name.
The other options are "to orchestral hall" "to choir hall" and "OTR mapped." Each one routes audio a little differently as described in the manual. But main mix is the easiest way to learn how to use the template.
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Well, holy crap, I selected FFRR and now I hear from all four speakers!
Well, that's an improvement.
But I have no idea what the heck I am doing ... for example
1. I have no idea what the routing of audio and midi is right now
2. I am only using one reverb and I should be using at least two different reverbs
3. level is same for front as rear speakers - for rear speakers I'd like -6db to -12dB
Maybe you should create another series of Youtube videos, "OTR for Idiots" -- I'll be the first subscriber!
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02-19-2017, 08:37 PM
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Kontakt 5 outputs
Oops ... another issue. I thought I'd work my way through the manual, maybe that would be easier.
On page 8 it explains how to set up Kontakt 5. I copied the files from the OTR installation folder, but I get stuck on step 3 of the manual, while trying to select “Storyteller16OutsV1” from the dropdown menu. See error message below.
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02-19-2017, 08:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peter5992
Oops ... another issue. I thought I'd work my way through the manual, maybe that would be easier.
On page 8 it explains how to set up Kontakt 5. I copied the files from the OTR installation folder, but I get stuck on step 3 of the manual, while trying to select “Storyteller16OutsV1” from the dropdown menu. See error message below.
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Hey Peter.. Make sure you are running the latest version of Kontakt and that error should be resolved. I will be sending out additional legacy Kontakt output presets this week for those who are still on 5.5.2 and have held out from upgrading to 5.6.5 for some reason or another.
Also, I saw your earlier post but haven't had a chance to write out a detailed answer yet. Until then, if you can watch the first portion of the QUAD Primer video, it should walk you through everything needed to get surround up and running. The more complex routing which is used with the OTR mapped outputs and QUAD "twist and pivot " buttons is addressed in the last 2/3rds of the video. For your purposes, the first 7 minutes or so should cover it very well.
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02-19-2017, 09:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by storyteller
Hey Peter.. Make sure you are running the latest version of Kontakt and that error should be resolved. I will be sending out additional legacy Kontakt output presets this week for those who are still on 5.5.2 and have held out from upgrading to 5.6.5 for some reason or another.
Also, I saw your earlier post but haven't had a chance to write out a detailed answer yet. Until then, if you can watch the first portion of the QUAD Primer video, it should walk you through everything needed to get surround up and running. The more complex routing which is used with the OTR mapped outputs and QUAD "twist and pivot " buttons is addressed in the last 2/3rds of the video. For your purposes, the first 7 minutes or so should cover it very well.
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Thanks Jonathan ... it's all good, no rush.
By the way, for the first time in many years, my mixing board suddenly started displaying track names in the LED display. Is that another clever thing you put in somewhere? I never seen that before. I'm kind of liking it.
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02-20-2017, 10:39 PM
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Just a quick note for Jonathan ... love the manual as well.
Whacky, but I like it.
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02-20-2017, 11:52 PM
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That error with outputs chimes in when you try to load output section preset in a Kontakt version that has mismatched number of outputs (for example, a preset for the full 64-out version loaded in 16- or 8-out version).
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02-20-2017, 11:58 PM
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dazed and confused as usual... where is the manual and also where is the whatever we use to for OTR to set up the kontakt outs?
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02-21-2017, 04:10 PM
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Duh,..
I just updated Kontakt to 5.6.6 before I got around to installing to the OTR Output defaults.
If an update to your files is needed, I can wait.
Meant to say;
The Template manual is in the Documentation folder which was included in the OTR folder in Apps.
That manual tells you that the "Extras" folder in the same OTR folder contains the Kontakt Output Presets folder that contains those Storyteller presets.
BTW, this is a Mac
Last edited by ironbut; 02-21-2017 at 04:15 PM.
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02-21-2017, 04:33 PM
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You should still be able to run those track templates, as it only contains plugin data, but not plugin version. 5.6.5 plugin data will work just as well in 5.6.6.
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02-21-2017, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by hopi
dazed and confused as usual... where is the manual and also where is the whatever we use to for OTR to set up the kontakt outs?
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That is in the "OTR" folder, which I dragged to my desktop.
C:\Users\Peter Roos\Desktop\OTR
The manual is in the subfolder "Documentation" and the Kontakt Output Preset Templates are in the "Extras" folder. See manual, page 7 and 8. You need to be on Kontakt 5.6.5 or higher (today, 5.6.6 was released).
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02-21-2017, 07:35 PM
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thanks Peter... yep, found them all....
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