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Old 04-08-2009, 12:44 AM   #1
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Default Record 192Khz 32Bit Render 44,1Khz 16Bit

Im Record 8 Track 192Khz 32Bit with Reawerb and Reacomp, render to 44,1Khz 16Bit. 0.3*Raltime. The reverb is in The rendered Mix not ok. I have AMD 64 4800 Dualcore, Nforce 3 Chipset.
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:12 AM   #2
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try rendering out to 192khz/32bit

then import the output files into a new session and resample down to 44khz there

high quality resampling is a very slow operation
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Old 04-22-2009, 01:23 AM   #3
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Default 192Khz Render 44,1Khz

The Reawerb is not Ok in The final file of 44,1Khz 16Bit. Wen i render 192Khz 24Bit is OK? Modul Konflikt. Im Reasample 512PT. 0,3*Realtime is not normal.

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Old 04-22-2009, 05:57 AM   #4
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512pt is NON-REALTIME: very very slow.
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Old 04-23-2009, 10:21 AM   #5
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Why record at such a high sample rate?

If your target is CD anyway, then I would record at 44.1KHz, that avoids a lot of problems and has no hit on the 'quality', which is more reliant on the bit depth than the sample rate.
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Old 04-23-2009, 10:58 AM   #6
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Speaking for myself, I record higher to put onto vinyl. But for client approval mixes, I still need to get down to 44.1 or 48khz. I don't go as high as 192, just 96kHz.

78bakalit, what reverb are you using?
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Old 04-23-2009, 11:02 AM   #7
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Speaking for myself, I record higher to put onto vinyl. But for client approval mixes, I still need to get down to 44.1 or 48khz. I don't go as high as 192, just 96kHz.

78bakalit, what reverb are you using?
Oh, yes, sure, vinyl! Ever looked at the frequency response of a vinyl record in the last song on a LP? Are you recoring in 12 bit then to meet the low SNR as well? Or quasi mono becuse of the 48 dB cross-talk on the stereo channels?
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Old 04-23-2009, 11:59 AM   #8
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I'm no vinyl evangelist -- I haven't owned a turntable in 20 years -- but people feel that you don't have the same depth of field at 44.1kHz. And in terms of noise floor, the real world difference isn't as great as the stats for CDs lead you to believe.

And you try telling a band that you're going to create the lacquer master from an audio CD.

Anyway, back on topic. I missed it in your post, you menitoned that you're using Reaverb. Does reasampling at a faster setting change anything? It might help isolate the problem. But dub3000 has the right idea if you need to get it done. Render at 192, then resample.
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[QUOTE=darjama;309689]....people feel that you don't have the same depth of field at 44.1kHz. And in terms of noise floor, the real world difference isn't as great as the stats for CDs lead you to believe.[(quote]

What 'people' feel and what can be proved through measurement are quite different things. Please define 'depth of field'.

Best signal:noise ratio (which, effectively, defines the noise floor) of an LP is some 50dB. A CD easily beats this figure (96dB).

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And you try telling a band that you're going to create the lacquer master from an audio CD.
Then don't. Why pander to their unqualified preconceptions?
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Old 04-23-2009, 06:26 PM   #10
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going further off-topic, but whatever: i really think that 44khz/16bit has a bad reputation because of a combination of:

* most consumer-grade DACs are horrible (i've had a couple of cd players that really do sound awful - like, really quite audibly horrible)
* cds are mastered louder than vinyl

i'd love to be proven otherwise though but in the meantime i'm just doing all my stuff at 44khz/24bit...
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going further off-topic, but whatever: i really think that 44khz/16bit has a bad reputation because of a combination of:

* most consumer-grade DACs are horrible (i've had a couple of cd players that really do sound awful - like, really quite audibly horrible)
* cds are mastered louder than vinyl

i'd love to be proven otherwise though but in the meantime i'm just doing all my stuff at 44khz/24bit...
It ends up as s#$t mp3's anyway played back through Buffy and Todd's mp3 players with the 34 cent earbuds...

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What 'people' feel and what can be proved through measurement are quite different things. Please define 'depth of field'.

Best signal:noise ratio (which, effectively, defines the noise floor) of an LP is some 50dB. A CD easily beats this figure (96dB).
"Depth of field" is a photography term, meaning the area of an image that's in focus. A larger depth of field means both the foreground and background are in focus. A smaller depth of field means focusing on one loses focus on the other. Yes, this is touchy-feely when you apply it to audio, but people buy based on feeling rather than measurement.


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Then don't. Why pander to their unqualified preconceptions?
Because the customer is always right. I can give them my opinions, but they don't have to accept them. If they think vinyl sounds better than CD, you want me to turn away their business?

Anyway, there's a certain cachet to a vinyl release. Any band can use mom's computer to duplicate a CD. But a band that is releasing vinyl is automatically afforded more credibility by club owners and press.
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"Depth of field" is a photography term
I understand the term in that context - I just have a problem in translating it to audio .

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Because the customer is always right. I can give them my opinions, but they don't have to accept them. If they think vinyl sounds better than CD, you want me to turn away their business?
I didn't say you shouldn't do it - just not to tell them. You and I both know they would never be the wiser.
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