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01-22-2015, 01:51 PM
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Pro Tools | First - their new free version
http://www.emusician.com/gear/1332/namm-2015-avid-announces-free-version-of-pro-tools/50452
"@NAMM 2015: Avid Announces Free Version of Pro Tools"
How does everyone feel about this? I'm not a Pro Tools user nor do I care to be. Reaper get's the job done quite nice, thank you very much. But this does seem like it would appeal to non-pro tools users to at least get them exposed to their daw. Thoughts? Opinions?
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01-22-2015, 01:53 PM
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01-22-2015, 07:11 PM
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Pro Tools | First enables anyone to experience the industry’s most trusted digital audio workstation at no cost
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hahahaha
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01-22-2015, 08:43 PM
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Nah!
I'm happy with Reaper.
I supported ProTools for years at work (when it was DodgyDesign) and it does have a fine reputation for sure - but I don't like the "upgrade mania" that surrounds it.
Been there. Done that.
I still have the sealed copy of the previous "ProTools Free" - for Win98 lying about somewhere.
Probably collectable now ;-)
Avid are off my radar anyway after the shitty way they shafted the Sibelius Team.
Avid are a bunch of accountants that love only money.
Best to stay clear (IMO)
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01-22-2015, 10:06 PM
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smacks of desperation.
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01-23-2015, 12:30 AM
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So basically its the free version that came with certain hardware?
Edit:checked out version difference.
16 tracks..same as Express
Inputs 8= Express 4=First
Audio recording (maximum simultaneous tracks) same 4
Instruments 8 =Express 16= First
Midi 16 both
Aux 8 vs 16=first
Buss 16=Express First=unlimited
For free cant complain.Seeing as how they use to make you jump through loops with a ilock to be able just to try out a demo.
http://www.avid.com/US/products/pro-...mparison-table
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01-23-2015, 01:25 AM
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It's not Free nothing they do is Free.. you dig deeper people will see not Free. They will rope you in some how. I dealt with them for 10yrs with my TDM system..once they went HD they didn't even want to take my calls.
With studios/music biz so crewed up like it is now.. bands/artist hardly want to come in and spend money to record because they know they can't make it back..So now companies like Sonar and now Slate want to ask for monthly fees for products is freakin Crazy to me.. money is tight for some..utilities around here are thru the roof high. I don't like were all that subscription stuff is going.
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01-23-2015, 02:48 AM
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Yeah but we all know we are going to get it.... because its free
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01-23-2015, 03:28 AM
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It says it stores project files in the cloud. A skeptical person might suspect that the program wont run or save without that feature, creating a practical limit of three concurrent projects.
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01-23-2015, 03:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Faderjockey
They will rope you in some how.
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Yep. In-application purchase if you want more virtual instruments/FX... so I guess you can't load/run third-party stuff in it.
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01-23-2015, 05:50 AM
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edit: This sticks out quite a bit. Folks take not of this. Quoted from the Protools Expert blog.
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Can you open a standard Pro Tools session in Pro Tools | First?
No. You cannot open a regular Pro Tools session in Pro Tools | First or open a Pro Tools | First session in Pro Tools.
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Complete and total lockin. More noteworthy stuff here.
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Originally Posted by stratotak
So basically its the free version that came with certain hardware?
Edit:checked out version difference.
16 tracks..same as Express
Inputs 8= Express 4=First
Audio recording (maximum simultaneous tracks) same 4
Instruments 8 =Express 16= First
Midi 16 both
Aux 8 vs 16=first
Buss 16=Express First=unlimited
For free cant complain.Seeing as how they use to make you jump through loops with a ilock to be able just to try out a demo.
http://www.avid.com/US/products/pro-...mparison-table
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And here Avids ideas run contrary to user convenience. Below is some stuff you can't do with the free version. Stuff Reaper can do is marked in green. Clip gain in particular sticks out like a blood-soaked sore thumb. A feature for the convenience of the user. You just want to smack those people in the head for withholding that.
Clip Gain
MP3 option (understandable but no LAME encoder interface either)
Export to iTunes (if it's on the system, why not just use it)
Export to SoundCloud
Timecode Ruler
Full Import Session Data
Variable stereo pan depths
Field recorder workflows
Avid Video Engine (Reaper has an equivalent for playback of most media)
plus whatever the HD version has over the standard ($700!) version of Protools such as VCA mixing, which Reaper is now getting as well.
All in all I don't see the attraction of Protools First. It's probably a huge brick of a download too. Protools does not support open formats like OGG, Flac or OPUS either.
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01-23-2015, 06:16 AM
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I genuinely have just seen this and even though its cut down version, I thought about getting the free version for PT's intuitive editing/area selection on the timeline...
But.... do you still need a awful iLok for the FREE version??
You can't open PT Sessions or send them from FREE?!?! so its just a simple recording platform then, thats not compatible with its older brothers?
Pointless surely? I just wanted it to import into after Reaper, so its Industry Standard pffft for 'other' people who don't know what Reaper is!
What is Reaper like now with exporting to PT? I believe you can timestamp bWavs now and it will open in PT? I just don't want to 'get' PT if i don't need to, but as its (laughbly) the 'industry standard" im thinking it maybe needed if i'm doing TV / Film?
Can you get away with doing everything on Reaper and "pretend and lie" that I have PT here and that im using it (with my fingers crossed)?
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01-23-2015, 06:24 AM
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There are four reasons I do not work with PT any more
- Money (updates, plugins etc.)
- not stable (+ System requirements!)
- huge CPU-usage (new version is said to be more CPU-friendly ?!)
- Reaper forum is the better Forum
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If your processor is a Ferrari and if champagne comes out of your faucet, PT might be the right daw for you ;-)
and there is one thing I do really miss, well, it´s echoboy plugin, I want an iLok-free environment !
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01-23-2015, 06:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Giano
If your processor is a Ferrari and if champagne comes out of your faucet, PT might be the right daw for you ;-)
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Quote of the DAY!!!
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01-23-2015, 06:52 AM
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When I see what is coming with R5, I really don't see any reason to go with any other DAW.
My DAW has to -
Fit onto a cheap laptop.
Be fully available to the customer.
Come with all the plugs I need.
Be able to run up to 96 tracks, without getting a nose-bleed.
Do A-for-V really well.
Work fast.
I have no idea what PT12 will have, but past experience tells me that it will be more moving of the deck-chairs. i.e. nothing new, but at additional cost.
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01-23-2015, 06:54 AM
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Dude, whyyyyyyyyyyyyy do we even care? Reaper is so much better and cheaper. Even if someone is too poor or pirate-y to want a license, reaper still destroys everyone else.
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01-23-2015, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by buckman
...but as its (laughbly) the 'industry standard"...
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I'm beginning to think this industry has no standards any-more.
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01-23-2015, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by technogremlin
Yep. In-application purchase if you want more virtual instruments/FX... so I guess you can't load/run third-party stuff in it.
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Even more lock-in: projects are stored in PT's cloud storage and you can't save local. You can only have THREE!!! projects stored and need to purchase more storage (projects) if you want to go beyond that.
This is not a free version, it's a demo for a free version that isn't a real free version and even a very bad demo for their commercial stuff (no import into PT HD either from the free version).
I bet the one at PT who dreamed this up got a nice bonus though
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01-23-2015, 08:48 AM
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Maximum supported projects/sessions:
Three; projects stored in the cloud; additional projects may be purchased from the Avid Store in the near future
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i give it a try- 3 projects ... lol
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01-23-2015, 09:48 AM
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I don't see anything "evil" in this... It's just a marketing tactic. They are not the 1st company to offer a free "lite" version in hopes of selling you the "pro" version.
If someone is teaching an "introduction to mixing" class, it could be very tempting to standardize on something all the students can download for free.
This can backfire... A million years ago I bought a scanner that was bundled with free photo editing software. The software was crap and I didn't even know they made a better version... All I knew was that their software was crap and I bought something else from a different company.
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It's not Free nothing they do is Free.. you dig deeper people will see not Free.
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What does that even mean? It's free to the user... It's free if you don't pay 'em any money! I've been using the Adobe PDF reader forever and I've never purchased any Adobe products. Sure, somebody's paying for it, but it's free to me!
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01-23-2015, 04:28 PM
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WHY BOTHER AT ALL WITH THIS ?
I see this as a complete waste of time. !!!
1: I have to sign up, why, ( to get the download link ) and then endless email adds for stuff i don't want.
2: I have to spend time learning how things work in PT.
3: I can only record 4 tracks similtaniously, 16 maximum !!
4: I can only do 3 projects for free, then i have to buy cloud space for any further projects i want to do ( at least thats how it seems )
5: Looks like there is an "IK custom shop style" in app market place to "buy" additional plugins.
6: etc etc etc
All i see is limitation after limitation, sorry Avid, this is one little duck you won't snare.
With REAPER i'm "FREE" to do things pretty much however i please, and the only limitations i have are my own.
I can't see any reason to give this a second thought, imho of course.
My 2c
Cheers
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01-23-2015, 04:39 PM
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Please get a grip people.
Free product versions - are not - for people who already have music labs and good daws they like and are already happy. They're a way for a person maybe starting out to make some music and not pay anything.
Pro Tools Free, S1 Free, Acid Free, whatever. We *all* already have products much better than any of them so it sounds kinda silly to say...
"Why would I use that instead of Reaper!?!? Not! I'll just stick with Reaper!!"
... as if any free daw is targeting you personally when it's clearly not.
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01-23-2015, 05:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ivansc
Yeah but we all know we are going to get it.... because its free
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no. I will stay strong.
hm.
maybe ...
NO!
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01-23-2015, 05:23 PM
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Looks like they are trying the freemium model the mobile apps (especially games) are milking people for. Buy a few instruments here and there.. Some more cloud saves here And there.. Before you know it youve dropped a couple hundred bucks on a 16 track daw with 10 projects... Better just buy the full pro tools then since you learned its workflow.
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01-23-2015, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman
...but as its (laughbly) the 'industry standard"...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andywanders
I'm beginning to think this industry has no standards any-more.
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Only here
Depends on how obviously you like being "monetised"...
Did you know REAPER isn't really free? -they ask you to buy a licence after two months -the cheek!
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01-23-2015, 06:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawrence
Please get a grip people.
Free product versions - are not - for people who already have music labs and good daws they like and are already happy. They're a way for a person maybe starting out to make some music and not pay anything.
Pro Tools Free, S1 Free, Acid Free, whatever. We *all* already have products much better than any of them so it sounds kinda silly to say...
"Why would I use that instead of Reaper!?!? Not! I'll just stick with Reaper!!"
... as if any free daw is targeting you personally when it's clearly not.
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Sorry, reading back my post now does seem like i was implying they were targeting me personly, that wasn't my intention.
I was really tryiny to point out what a newbie isn't going to get with Protools First, so .........
Hopefully someone just getting into the daw world who is considering protools first as a option will read this thread and realise that its not "FREE" at all.
Sure its free to download and do 3 projects on, but thats it, it will cost them from then on.
Thats the point i'm trying to make !!
I wouldn't even bother to post if it was a ligit "FREE but limited" version like some of the others are offering, thats fine you know exactly what your getting, with no hidden costs.
Someone new to the daw world most likely isn't going to understand what there really getting into, they just see "FREE PROTOOLS", beauty, and before they know it there paying for more cloud space and plugins from the app market place, then they need more tracks, what do they do ?, they've already invested not only time but money as well in Protools First, there more than likely going to go the Avid path.
Sorry but this kind of scheming trickery from money hungry companies really gets on my goat.
Sorry if i'm ranting !!
And this is all imho as usual.
Cheers
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01-23-2015, 06:27 PM
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I hear you. The unspoken reality is that you can just grab Reaper and never pay for it which I assume lots of people do.
As a practical (not legal or literal) matter, Reaper is free since nobody has to pay for it to use it.
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01-23-2015, 08:54 PM
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The "Industry Standard" Monika has been around a l o n g time.
Just where did it originate? A proclamation by "The Industry"?
Or (more likely) from the Marketing Department of DigiDesign/Avid?
We ran the PT LE versions at the Uni where I worked. It was the only way we could AFFORD the number of "seats" we required.
Another irritation is the way that the Hardware is often "obsoleted" at certain upgrade points - placing you in the position that you bin your hardware if you want to upgrade . . . .
Factor-in any possible ramifications due to updates to OSX - and you have become a bag of nerves - not knowing WHERE the next wallet-opening event is coming from?
Just in case doing the Music WELL, ISN'T a sufficient challenge . . . ;-)
As regards Reaper, I have a lot of respect for the whole ETHOS of the project.
It's CLEAR and CONCISE declaration of what it is and what it does.
ONE version.
I am one tight-wad when it comes to shelling out for SW, but I have to say that I registered Reaper after only two weeks.
If my registration fee helps to push it along then I'm delighted to join the club - and will gladly re-register when the time comes.
The extra dosh I could have spent on PT, I spent instead on Kenny Gioia's EXCELLENT (IMO) video tutorials on using Reaper.
As a result, I have actually produced some descent work - and am WELL pleased.
I would certainly recommend anyone looking to create their own music - especially newbies - to follow this route . . .
Best Regards
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01-24-2015, 09:25 AM
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Well, I signed up. Here's why:
1. I need a good laugh. I hate PT and everything about it.
2. I know how to use a spam filter, so I don't care what they send me. And, I use a single secondary email address just for things like this.
3. I am curious about it, and since I work in some other studios (lately) that have PT, it's good to keep my chops sharp(ish).
4. I'm not ever shelling out > $50 for a piece of crap software like PT for any reason, so this price is perfect for what I need it for.
Everytime some new fangled DAW comes out, I'll take a minute and check it out- not because I don't love Reaper (I do, and I probably will never switch) but because it makes it easier for me to proselytize other DAW users to Reaper when I know what their products can (read: can't) do at a specific level.
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01-24-2015, 10:21 AM
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02-15-2015, 12:19 AM
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Windows users make sure you have Service Pack 1 installed before running PT.
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02-15-2015, 04:29 AM
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edkilp - some interesting reading in that thread you linked to.
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02-15-2015, 05:37 AM
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Pretty much sums it up I reckon.
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02-15-2015, 11:11 AM
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Seriously I cannot think that the "cloud" would ever be secure for me I will never place my projects in it just like putting my personal letters out on the street. Windows 8 gave me space out there and I ignore that too.
I do use Soundcloud I must admit but then I present my material rather than hang out my active imagination for others to feed off if they hack.
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02-15-2015, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by grinder
I do use Soundcloud I must admit but then I present my material rather than hang out my active imagination for others to feed off if they hack.
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You run a higher risk of being hit by a car than having your online data stolen. Or a better one, it's more likely someone will steal your phone or break in to your house.
Cloud solutions like OneDrive are perfectly safe and viable solutions which offer way more advantages than what you can ever drum up against using the service.
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02-15-2015, 12:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by prezbass
Well, I signed up. Here's why:
1. I need a good laugh. I hate PT and everything about it.
2. I know how to use a spam filter, so I don't care what they send me. And, I use a single secondary email address just for things like this.
3. I am curious about it, and since I work in some other studios (lately) that have PT, it's good to keep my chops sharp(ish).
4. I'm not ever shelling out > $50 for a piece of crap software like PT for any reason, so this price is perfect for what I need it for.
Everytime some new fangled DAW comes out, I'll take a minute and check it out- not because I don't love Reaper (I do, and I probably will never switch) but because it makes it easier for me to proselytize other DAW users to Reaper when I know what their products can (read: can't) do at a specific level.
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you dont even need a spam filter to stop firms from sending adverts,there is always a comment that comes with promotions for you to click on if you dont want them to send you any more promotions.
in saying that I have been looking at PTs and it seem that they are after a new generation of people, it appears they have been carefully looking at areas where they can break more ground and reach out to more up and coming producers, if they succeed then PTs becomes a monster of a DAW if they fail well nothing lost, its a pretty smart move,
there are many that are put off from the idea of rent or cloud, but there is a new generation coming up, just leaving school, just getting into music and are very use to hi tech, apps cloud use all this makes a lot of sense to them
while on the other hand people who resist change will find it a burden,
nether the less PTs are still offering you to buy the DAW out right with all the benifits that come with it so all is not lost, you just need deep pockets.
A very bold step from PTs and as we all know with change comes risk but if we are not ready to take risk then we just have to watch others change around us.
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02-15-2015, 12:54 PM
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Greetings Paulheu
Thanks for your comment re security on the cloud.
Are you able to enlarge that for me and I guess that would include others.
I guess I am ignorant of the security the cloud brings with it.
If it is possible for large firms like Telecom (xtra yahoo etc) to have big trouble at times why not the cloud?
Many thanks
Grinder
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02-15-2015, 03:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grinder
If it is possible for large firms like Telecom (xtra yahoo etc) to have big trouble at times why not the cloud?
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Do the airplane crashes and incidents we see yearly stop you from getting on a plane?
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02-15-2015, 03:55 PM
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I get on a plane once every 20 years Paulheu chuckle chuckle...
If a plane crashes nine times out of ten I could loose my life.
The cloud goes down I could stand to loose a hundred million dollars!
A daily pleasure,
Plus a heap of new friends!
Does that answer your question?
Grinder
https://soundcloud.com/steve-maitland-1
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02-15-2015, 04:14 PM
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I rest my case
Today
NEW YORK (AP) -- A report from a cybersecurity firm says an international hacking ring has stolen up to $1 billion from banks around the globe in what would be one of the biggest banking breaches known.
Grinder
https://soundcloud.com/steve-maitland-1
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