Old 04-23-2017, 07:55 AM   #1
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Default How to "delete time" in Reaper?

I want to take a time selection and nuke everything in it. Including the current beat/measure/whatever.

Is this possible to do somehow, or is it bound to be a totally manual process?
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Old 04-23-2017, 08:06 AM   #2
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Time selection: Remove contents of time selection (moving later items)
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Old 04-23-2017, 08:34 AM   #3
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Time selection: Remove contents of time selection (moving later items)
Unfortunately, this does not delete time, it only deletes the items in the selection.

I need to adjust the tempo/time signature so that the project time is moved with later items as well.

For instance deleting a beat in a musical project, while maintaining the following downbeat.
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Old 04-23-2017, 08:42 AM   #4
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Unfortunately, this does not delete time, it only deletes the items in the selection.
Try all the ripple options.
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Old 04-23-2017, 09:14 AM   #5
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Personally i just create a region around the area and then move it or delete it, saves me trying to remember to mess with ripple lol
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Personally i just create a region around the area and then move it or delete it, saves me trying to remember to mess with ripple lol
Region's don't affect time either unless I'm missing something.


Maybe I'm just explaining myself poorly, but I'm not sure how to be more clear.
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Unfortunately, this does not delete time, it only deletes the items in the selection.

I need to adjust the tempo/time signature so that the project time is moved with later items as well.

For instance deleting a beat in a musical project, while maintaining the following downbeat.
It does that here (shortens the previous measure by a beat):



If that's not it, can you show an example of what you're trying to accomplish before/after?
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You can't delete time. Second 2 will always follow second 1. You can't take a few seconds out and make the timeline go Sec1, Sec5, Sec6. Time doesn't work like that.

You can delete notes or lumps of audio and either leave a gap or move the following notes/audio up to close the time gap (ripple edit). But if you delete the first beat from a measure you can't have the second beat stay as a downbeat. It's only a downbeat because there's an upbeat in front of it and now there isn't, you've just deleted it.

No, I've decided I have no idea what you mean either.

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Under the assumption that I am explaining myself poorly, let me demonstrate:

I have this custom action which does _almost_ what I want.



The issue is that I have to keep track of the time signature that I want, which can sometimes be very.... weird depending on where the time selection is made.

Here is a very basic demonstrating of the result that I am looking for:



The issue becomes obvious when:
  • you are not cutting right on the beat
  • if you are already in a complex time and need to take a moment to calculate things
  • have existing tempo markers
  • need to modify tempo as well (requires 2 actions and experimentation to figure out which will give the results


So currently I have somewhat of a messy manual workflow to cut time like this, which requires a lot of experimentation and messing about. The product I'm coming from makes this a good bit simpler though.

I'm sure I'm just thinking about this wrong, it seems like I'm so close.
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It does that here (shortens the previous measure by a beat):



If that's not it, can you show an example of what you're trying to accomplish before/after?
That's what I want... but it's not working like that here.

I see you have some tempo markers, which I also setup, but it's not moving for me as well.

What am I missing here?

edit: This is what's occurring for me



No time is deleted, only items/objects.
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You can't delete time. Second 2 will always follow second 1. You can't take a few seconds out and make the timeline go Sec1, Sec5, Sec6. Time doesn't work like that.

You can delete notes or lumps of audio and either leave a gap or move the following notes/audio up to close the time gap (ripple edit). But if you delete the first beat from a measure you can't have the second beat stay as a downbeat. It's only a downbeat because there's an upbeat in front of it and now there isn't, you've just deleted it.

No, I've decided I have no idea what you mean either.

Steve
What I'm asking for is basically "Transport: Play (skip time selection)", except I want the time selection and associated beats/measures/ticks/whatever deleted instead of skipped.

Everything before is mapped to the same measures/beats/ticks/whatever and everything after is mapped to the same measures/beats/ticks/whatever.

Does that make more sense?
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edit: This is what's occurring for me
Try with the "Start new measure" option enabled in the rightmost tempo marker.
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Try with the "Start new measure" option enabled in the rightmost tempo marker.
That's it!

Now if only there was an action for "Create measure from time selection (current time signature)...", then I could make this 1 total custom action.

Time to check Reapack and see if there's something I can integrate here. I will update if I figure out something! Should be reascriptable.

Thank you cfillion, this is definitely an improvement!
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No time is deleted, only items/objects.
You are drawing your selection on the item where he is drawing his selection in an empty space, which creates a time selection.
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You are drawing your selection on the item where he is drawing his selection in an empty space, which creates a time selection.
My settings are as such where the default right-drag action is to create a time selection.

Thank you though.
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Old 04-23-2017, 11:05 AM   #16
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As promised...



This is my first Reaper script attempt, so I'm sure I did something less than stellar, maybe. However, it does exactly what I want. It should work well with existing tempo maps.

Please let me know if there's something wrong with it, or if you find it useful.

Thank you everyone for the assistance!
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:35 PM   #17
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Hey Robert! This script is damn useful, great for film scoring, thanks a lot!
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:37 PM   #18
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I have ripple editing off, and using

Time selection: remove contents of time selection (moving later items) does the trick. It cuts items, too.
Before:

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Old 09-24-2018, 07:39 PM   #19
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Yeah, but check what it does with the time signature, the script adjusts it.
If you remove 1/4 of a bar, it will change the time signature to 3/4.
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Hi Robert Randolph,

this is so simple but also pretty amazing. I tried it out and it worked as expected. Its a really cool tool to bring sudden changes into a song with surprising breaks and unexpected measures. Many thanks for this gift and your effort.

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Nice Script Thanks I was needing that for "deleting" or adjusting the time signature with the content!! Is any way to do the oposite add time adjusting the time selection ? Like being in 4/4 and add a tempo and it becomes 5/4 ? I work a lot with additive time signatures, and some times I want to add a eight note, a sixteen note ( or whatever) in the middle of a composition and is very hard in Reaper to add tempo and change key signatures, some times, ( particularly hard if it goes from X/4 to Y/8 or Z/16 etc...)
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This is funny, I'm working on exactly that kind of script.
You create a time selection (based on the grid settings, 1/16, 1/8, 1/4...), let's say of 7/8 and it will automatically insert a signature of 7/8. It's that what you mean?

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@Robert & Stevie Thanks for the useful scripts
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thanks RR... nice and handy addition to the arsenal
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