Old 03-20-2017, 01:56 PM   #1
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Default With Vox/Guitar, when reverb, when delay

Are there general rules for vocals and guitars on when and how much to use of reverb and delay in general ?

There is an Eddie Kramer Effects plugin that combines the two and let's you adjust differing amounts.

When I hear a ballad, I often think of a lush vocal with big verb but no delay. But when I hear a rock song, the vocal often have some delay and little verb. So what are the reasons for adding delay and not just letting the verb be shorter.

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Old 03-20-2017, 06:16 PM   #2
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There are so many ways, but one way I like to go is:

Vocal should be on the dry side for the verses, to get the singer right up close, and they get wetter/bigger/wider on the choruses, so the vox seems to explode and grow huge.

Some song arrangements tend toward the opposite, ie big verse-dry chorus.

Use some predelay for the lead vocal reverb, and hpf the send at around 600hz, and lpf it at around 3.2k as well.

For delays, I like to automate them so they only delay the last word of the verse or chorus or whatever.
A duck delay can do it, but I prefer automation.

Hpf and lpf the delay send, 600hz and 3.2k


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Old 03-20-2017, 06:30 PM   #3
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Some mix engineers prefer to use delays over reverb, to create a sense of space without having to deal without the "washing out" or muddying effect that reverb can have.

But, in answer to your question, no; there are no general rules when it comes to how much reverb or delay. Different songs and different tastes call for wildly different approaches.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:03 PM   #4
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Here's one way to think about it - Reverb is a natural effect. It's the sound of a concert hall, church, etc. (But to me, the amount of reverb that sounds awesome in the concert hall sounds unnatural coming out of a pair of stereo speakers in my living room.)

Although delay/echo can occur in nature, it doesn't happen naturally in most performance situations.

It can help "technically" to delay the reverb a bit so that the peak transients don't "stack up" as much, forcing you to turn-down the levels or use compression.
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Old 03-21-2017, 03:36 AM   #5
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Here's one way to think about it - Reverb is a natural effect. It's the sound of a concert hall, church, etc. (But to me, the amount of reverb that sounds awesome in the concert hall sounds unnatural coming out of a pair of stereo speakers in my living room.)

Although delay/echo can occur in nature, it doesn't happen naturally in most performance situations.

It can help "technically" to delay the reverb a bit so that the peak transients don't "stack up" as much, forcing you to turn-down the levels or use compression.
The first reflection is a pretty common noticeable delay even in reverberant places, but it never sounds like a 1:1 copy but quieter. It's a smeared, tone-coloured thing.

Boz Imperial Delay does this really well but... yeah that's an expensive plugin for delay.

I like to do delays on a separate track and smear it a bit with reverb (very sggy), EQ,
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And when I hear a ballad typically there seems to be only reverb but on a more upbeat song the reverb is much shorter with delay added. And the delays are long , like 1/2 second to 2 seconds right?
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And when I hear a ballad typically there seems to be only reverb but on a more upbeat song the reverb is much shorter with delay added. And the delays are long , like 1/2 second to 2 seconds right?
Longer delays are typically saved for the ends of phrases. It's not unusual to hear subtle tape-style slap-back echo on vocals.
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