Old 06-26-2014, 05:02 AM   #1
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Hmmm I wonder if WT is aware that a logic user has been inspired by Imperial. He's even called the logic theme Imperial...
Is it just me? Have a look.
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/10200499-post302.html
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Old 06-26-2014, 06:19 AM   #2
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the original is a lot better than that ...
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Old 06-26-2014, 07:44 AM   #3
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the original is a lot better than that ...
Absolutely!! But is it cool to call it Imperial?? At least change the name...
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I'm clearly doing something right I think by not changing the name he probably doesn't realise what he's doing is ...y'know... not OK. But _shrug_ I shall reserve my wrath and furious vengeance* to see if I can raise a care at some point. Please let me know if he starts asking for money.

*Just to be clear, and for the record, I retain and assert copyright on all my blah blah blah.

I don't feel any more ripped off than I do by people here copying my work and charging money for it, which I wish would stop.
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I'm clearly doing something right I think by not changing the name he probably doesn't realise what he's doing is ...y'know... not OK. But _shrug_ I shall reserve my wrath and furious vengeance* to see if I can raise a care at some point. Please let me know if he starts asking for money.

*Just to be clear, and for the record, I retain and assert copyright on all my blah blah blah.

I don't feel any more ripped off than I do by people here copying my work and charging money for it, which I wish would stop.
He does give you credit and compliments later in the thread so...
I had no idea people were profiting off your work on this forum WT!!!
Very un Reaper and extremely uncool.
I've always admired your sense of calm.
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great work.
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Old 06-26-2014, 03:20 PM   #7
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.....

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"You do realize there's already a Reaper theme called " Imperial " which your theme is similar to..."

i know

The original Imperial Theme is from WT.
Wy this Logic Theme is called Imperial?
Because it is based on the Original Theme from WT.

A Theme Name is called from the original source.

Exemble: Avid S6.

I called the Theme Avid S6,because there are elements of it.

All Themes here are based on other DAW`s ,Hardware,Software......



There are elements from Albert.C
Both are big Names on Scene.Amacing Modder

THX again on evry body ho made this possible.

PS: if you give a look,there are elements from all Modder here.All work is a comunity work.it is like a puzzle.I bring it all in one place.that is wath i do
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Is he dyslexic or arthritic?

I am arthritic but spend a lot of time fixing my mis-types. you should see smoe of the originls!!

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Is he dyslexic or arthritic?

I am arthritic but spend a lot of time fixing my mis-types. you should see smoe of the originls!!

(Left as typed)
Man, smae here...and I'm not arthritic!
I dunno, I think he only gave credit after I called him on it. I'm not sure about that though.
You know what? I'm so used to mistypes that I barely even noticed how many there were in fcasoria's post!
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Spelling is overrated. Try this

I cnduo't bvleiee taht I culod aulaclty uesdtannrd waht I was rdnaieg. Unisg the icndeblire pweor of the hmuan mnid, aocdcrnig to rseecrah at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mttaer in waht oderr the lterets in a wrod are, the olny irpoamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rhgit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whoutit a pboerlm. Tihs is bucseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Aaznmig, huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghhuot slelinpg was ipmorantt! See if yuor fdreins can raed tihs too
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Spelling is overrated. Try this

I cnduo't bvleiee taht I culod aulaclty uesdtannrd waht I was rdnaieg. Unisg the icndeblire pweor of the hmuan mnid, aocdcrnig to rseecrah at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mttaer in waht oderr the lterets in a wrod are, the olny irpoamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rhgit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whoutit a pboerlm. Tihs is bucseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Aaznmig, huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghhuot slelinpg was ipmorantt! See if yuor fdreins can raed tihs too
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Not really. Fucked if I could read it without some serious effort.

And fwiw most of those deliberately mis-spelled texts wind up having an inadvertent consistency to the "errors", which makes the whole thing a bit iffy.

Ah well - sorry to diropt n interesting threda (un-fixed typing from me)
Supposed to say disrupt,an and thread of course.
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Old 06-27-2014, 04:55 AM   #13
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From the GS Logic theme thread: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/logic...l#post10217079

"@henge

please post this in to the reaper forum

@White Tie

1. i don`t made mony with this
2. i do it for free to made other user happy with his Logic x
3. if you want,i change the Name.( i do it now )
4. if you want i cancel this Theme.
5. the Theme is similar but is not the same,your Theme is much better.

I have done a Theme with a criterion:
1. Legedary Mixing Consols
2. Audio Daw`s ( Cubase,Bitwig,Protools) and your great work "The Imperial Theme"
3. Hardware
4. Software Plug in

i do it just for fun.not commercial

in this case i stop to made Themes,because there made no sense.

PS: i have canceled your Theme from the download link

all is well again
sorry"

Very cool of fcasoria to proceed like this imo.
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Good save, OP, White Tie almost got ripped off, but due to your volunteer vigilance, the copyright violating scumbag cease and desisted!
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The copyright violating scumbag cease and desisted!
I'm not sure if this is a sarcastic remark or not.

Whichever, as long as people can make 'bitwing', 'Pro Tools', 'Calec', 'SSL' themes on here to share with other REAPER users I don't want any part in slandering the guy who did make a genuine effort to attribute to WT.

Please read over the GS thread and tell me where he deserves to be called anything like this.
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Good save, OP, White Tie almost got ripped off, but due to your volunteer vigilance, the copyright violating scumbag cease and desisted!
Just to let you know, I registered for the sole purpose of making you aware that your accusations are baseless and slanderous. Read through the linked thread and see for yourself.

I don't know if this forum is moderated - from the look of it, it should be.
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Good save, OP, White Tie almost got ripped off, but due to your volunteer vigilance, the copyright violating scumbag cease and desisted!
Yeah, that's a tad harsh...
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Just to let you know, I registered for the sole purpose of making you aware that your accusations are baseless and slanderous. Read through the linked thread and see for yourself.

I don't know if this forum is moderated - from the look of it, it should be.
Not to worry Tui. This is a VERY cool forum and the hand of the mods is lenient. Kind of proof that less policing is better in the long run. ;-)
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I totally agree with henge1.

I see FCasoria apologized not to have asked White Tie to use the principle and the name of his theme. I see he don't try to get money from the many themes he developped. I see at least his theme is not a true duplication of White Tie's.
I think it's a pity FCasoria is demoralized with this affair. Whatever I said hereover, White Tie is, of course, the only one who can judge this.

On another hand, it's a step to see that a Reaper theme is now appliable to Logic...
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I put my work out there for everyone to use in Reaper theming provided they don't demand, request nor accept money. That seems pretty simple to me. The difference between Reaper theming and Logic theming seems similarly simple. No one needs to ask my permission to use my work outside Reaper, I've already said no. Its all copyright. Giving me the dubious value of 'credit' changes none of that. How aggressively do I persue it? Yeaaaaah pfffft. That's not, however, carte blanche to take the piss.

He did something bad, he has now stopped, its a wash. We're done here, right? No one is a scumbag, no one has been slandered. Everyone settle down.

Since its been brought up, please allow me a moment to address, again, the subject of the 'knockoff rolex' themes we get around here. If you put someone else's copyright material in your Reaper theme, be it graphic assets or logos, you have no right to do that, its never been OK and never will be, and you are on borrowed time. The moment the originator asks you to stop, I would expect you to do so, immediately, and without the slightest trace of complaint. You did wrong, its a fair cop guv. Or just don't do it in the first place. Please.
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OK. As I said, you are the only judge in that affair.

Art is not my way to earn my money. If it was the case, I don't know how I will react if somebody was taking the music I create the way he did with your theme.
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Lol.

The Reaper stash is chock full of graphic rips, even a Logic theme IIRC. I doubt if anyone actually asked permission.
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Lol.

The Reaper stash is chock full of graphic rips, even a Logic theme IIRC. I doubt if anyone actually asked permission.
That's pretty much irrelevant. Because other people are doing it doesn't make it right. The fact that Apple didn't stop someone from making a Logic theme for REAPER (either because they don't know about it or don't care) doesn't mean in any way that White Tie needs to accept his work being used without permission.
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Lol.

The Reaper stash is chock full of graphic rips, even a Logic theme IIRC. I doubt if anyone actually asked permission.
That's what I was saying.... but I was wrong. WT has explained, It's in post #20.
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Just to let you know, I registered for the sole purpose of making you aware that your accusations are baseless and slanderous. Read through the linked thread and see for yourself.

I don't know if this forum is moderated - from the look of it, it should be.

Personally I think Reapercurious' remark was spot on - it also made me laugh out loud.


Oh, and b.t.w.: it was super-sarcastic of course. My fiveteen months old son would immediately get this even after having had his usual four pints of lager...
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Tui is a very old hand on the various music forums.

But in this case I think he has totally mis-read the general spirit of this forum.

In a totally well-meaning way though.
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Let's keep our legal eagle eyes peeled, and keep the cyber police on speed dial. I'm not being at all sarcastic. One time someone stole my creations and I never recovered. I'm now a broken shell of a man, haven't had a job in ages. Meanwhile my creations are being festooned in scumbag adverse possession and theres nothing I can do about it. The cyber police would only laugh at me when they see me, I look exactly like a homeless person sadly. All true. Be careful, music can lead to bad things.
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Now I don't know what to think anymore. I was sure you were being sarcastic and I really hope you still are.

Either way, Henge1 wrote this:

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Nice! Put her in the stash if you would be so kind!

here:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=140940

There's your "vigilant volunteer"...
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Now I don't know what to think anymore. I was sure you were being sarcastic and I really hope you still are.

Either way, Henge1 wrote this:




here:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=140940

There's your "vigilant volunteer"...
Wow, I am disappointed. As long as there are people like me who are suffering due to lack of creative sales, I can't abide the tacit complicity of the support of ripping off creative creators. The complicitness has been duly noted. Thank you Jens for YOUR vigilance above the call of duty.

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Now I don't know what to think anymore. I was sure you were being sarcastic and I really hope you still are.

Either way, Henge1 wrote this:




here:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=140940

There's your "vigilant volunteer"...
Ummm I never claimed to be a "vigilant volunteer" that was said by someone else.
And yes, it's a double standard by me no doubt.
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I put my work out there for everyone to use in Reaper ....provided they don't demand, request nor accept money. That seems pretty simple.....
please allow me a moment to address,..you have no right to do that, its never been OK and never will be.. Please.
please allow me a moment to address how awesome your design is

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That's pretty much irrelevant. Because other people are doing it doesn't make it right. The fact that Apple didn't stop someone from making a Logic theme for REAPER (either because they don't know about it or don't care) doesn't mean in any way that White Tie needs to accept his work being used without permission.
Of course.

I was only pointing out that people usually only call strangers scumbags. If he's a scumbag then so is everyone who ever ripped a fader cap of another daw theme. I wasn't defending it, just pointing out the relative irony.

Otoh, it now appears it was all in sarcastic humor so, all is well.
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