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05-26-2016, 03:28 PM
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No need for expensive gear ;-)
I just found this great article by Graham Cochrane.
Very instructive though we must not draw any hasty conclusion.
http://therecordingrevolution.com/20...etting-signed/
Cheers,
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05-26-2016, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by franzwam
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Th mix is okey for how it was made at home on shitty speakers ( and then mastered by an engineer). Sound of room where he recorded vocals does stick out thought, and seams that bass and kick lack punch ( as far as I hear it on my sony hd headphones ). But what got him the deal, is that he actually sings pretty well I think, and is not bad looking.
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05-27-2016, 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by franzwam
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That's really an inspiring story
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Bandcamp
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05-27-2016, 04:46 AM
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The singer and the song.
I don`t particularly like either in this case but they are both genre-sympathetic, which is what really counts. Don`t think his target audience is septuagenerians...
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05-27-2016, 07:01 AM
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Have you heard the competition in Eastern European pop? It all sounds like it was mixed on Logitech speakers in a bedroom!
I'm happy for the guy, I really am, but this is a nothing story being crafted into reciprocal marketing.
I did find it hilarious that the label wouldn't spring to get it recorded in a studio, but they would spring for a studio to shoot the video
Let's be honest, it doesn't sound great. This is more a sad sign of falling standards than it is a zero-to-hero tale of hobbyist triumph.
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05-27-2016, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Judders
This is more a sad sign of falling standards
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I agree. I applaud the kid for getting a record deal FWIW but demos being the chosen tracks is as old as the hills - Springsteen's Nebraska, Reo Speedwagon's High Infidelity and Boston's first album just to name a couple off the top of my head. It's about keeping the vibe in such cases because recording and capturing a vibe is hard - would have been even better had the exact vibe been captured and mixed better though.
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Initially, Springsteen recorded demos for the album at his home with a 4-track cassette recorder.[3] The demos were sparse, using only acoustic guitar, electric guitar (on "Open All Night"), harmonica, mandolin, glockenspiel, tambourine, organ, synthesizer (on "My Father's House") and Springsteen's voice.[3] Springsteen then recorded the album in a studio with the E Street Band.[3] However, he and the producers and engineers working with him felt that a raw, haunted folk essence present on the home tapes was lacking in the band treatments, and so they ultimately decided to release the demo version as the final album.[3] Complications with mastering of the tapes ensued because of low recording volume, but the problem was overcome with sophisticated noise reduction techniques.[3]
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So even here, they'd have preferred the better recording if they could have had that and the vibe too.
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Epic wanted the band to record in Los Angeles with a record producer, but Scholz was unwilling and wanted to record the album in his basement studio, so he hired Boylan to run interference with the label. In an elaborate ruse, Scholz tricked the label into thinking the band was recording on the West Coast, when in reality, the bulk was being tracked solely by Scholz at his Massachusetts home. The album's contents are a complete recreation of the band's demo tape, and contain songs written and composed many years prior.
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Lolz
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05-27-2016, 04:53 PM
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Humm, I didn't think it was so bad. It's as good or better than a lot of things I've heard recently.
The mix maybe could have been done a little better, but that's getting pretty nit picky. For what it is I think it was produced well. Not my cup of tea, but then most things today aren't my cup of tea.
Heh heh, I've been getting emails every day from Graham Cochrane, with little bits of advice. So far I haven't seen anything to disagree with him, and if I did, I'd probably return the email saying so, not that it would make any difference.
Heh heh, I'm an old fart and I'm not really up to date, so please give me a little latitude.
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05-27-2016, 06:04 PM
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I say congrats to the guy. not really my cup of tea but who cares, the A&R guy saw and heard something he liked and the deal got done. mission accomplished.
Regardless of gear or not this really is not proof that anyone can get a record deal. It's more a case of talent, hard work, more hard work, relentless self marketing, hard work and a little bit of luck can get you a foot in the door. I hope he can actually get a paycheck out of the deal.
I'm still not getting rid of my gear though because I don't record or mix this type of music or "band".
Plus I really like my gear and do not like computers for mixing.
but again well done to the Sun City Rockers.
Last edited by Bristol Posse; 05-27-2016 at 06:12 PM.
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06-09-2016, 08:01 PM
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Fantastic and all that and well done...but it sounds like 1 billion other songs. It's so generic and tame and banal that I've forgotten it already and I just heard it 6 seconds ago.
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06-30-2016, 04:28 AM
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Producing yourself is an Oxymoron?
it is possible to get decent results -you just need ruthless dedication to process
the problem its not the mic/interface -its the room,performance
mixing takes 5 times as long, don't mix for "quality" give it a 'vibe'
the point isn't getting signed
its getting heard
you can sell your own music-if you can make it well enough
Graham might actually listen to you Tod
hes one of the few guys not specifically B.S.ing the kids
hard work, more hard work, relentless self marketing, hard work, relentless self marketing, hard workhard work more hard work, relentles hard work......................
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06-30-2016, 06:23 AM
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the mix isn't terrible but the only thing recorded acoustically was likely the vocals - pretty easy to take control over that mix. If you consider the fact that he's probably using pre-processed samples, too...
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06-30-2016, 06:47 AM
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he's pretty and he yells good. two magic ingredients.
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06-30-2016, 07:17 AM
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"I Got You Babe" sounds like crap but I could listen to it all day.
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06-30-2016, 07:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by poplomop
"I Got You Babe" sounds like crap but I could listen to it all day.
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I could too, perhaps ending it with a self-inflicted shotgun wound
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06-30-2016, 07:46 AM
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You should write a atheist-ish song and drop friendlyatheist an email. There's a chance he might publish it on his blog. He has a soft spot for atheist musicians.
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06-30-2016, 08:01 AM
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Sorry, is this becoming personal again?
I write whatever it is I want to write
I just happen to find that song maddening and was poking a bit of fun.
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06-30-2016, 08:08 AM
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Just tryin to help out. Saw your sig and had the crazy notion, I guess. Thought of doing that myself. I'll shut my yapper now though haha.
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06-30-2016, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by poplomop
Just tryin to help out. Saw your sig and had the crazy notion, I guess. Thought of doing that myself. I'll shut my yapper now though haha.
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oh, no man it's totally ok. I misinterpreted, probably due to recent context - apologies
it's not a bad idea but I don't typically write songs like... sitting down and "hey let's write a song about atheism." I just write whatever...
but considering most of my stuff is indeed inspired of my life's experience, perhaps that idea might spread my music a bit.
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06-30-2016, 01:12 PM
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Not joking at all but a great pop ballad titled "Do I Need God" might make for an interesting listen if the lyrics were thoughtful or thought provoking and not intentionally abrasive or political.
Of course, the title would be the chorus, asking that philosophical question.
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07-01-2016, 11:43 PM
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you don't even need a 500 bucks studio to sign on a major label, you just need :
- facebook fans : at least 5000
- twitter followers : min 8000
- youtube suscribers and views : over one million
- a decent hairstyle and a "fit and well" global appareance
- a touchy personal life story to tell over and over again
- friends in local radio, webradio, TV and magazine
- stay in the standard and politically correct
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07-02-2016, 06:22 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reno.thestraws
you don't even need a 500 bucks studio to sign on a major label, you just need :
- facebook fans : at least 5000
- twitter followers : min 8000
- youtube suscribers and views : over one million
- a decent hairstyle and a "fit and well" global appareance
- a touchy personal life story to tell over and over again
- friends in local radio, webradio, TV and magazine
- stay in the standard and politically correct
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You can just buy it now. A rich parent can literally buy this for their kid. The marketing services can be purchased. Like the reality TV "stars".
Didn't that girl with no vocal intonation that tries to sing pop country get set up this way?
Remember the "Friday" girl? That didn't stop because it was awful. Her parents simply only bought a one time gig and didn't continue it.
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07-02-2016, 07:14 AM
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Human being with feelings
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we have found that a facebook following DOES actually translate to more people coming out to see a band... at least in this relatively rural area.
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