Can you guys make a guitar tuner available in 3.0 ?

Lestat66 · 01-26-2009, 10:40 PM

I think this will make a great feature when launching 3.0 . Putting it some where next to the metronome and the other interface buttons. Not a as plugin.

It will be great to tune your instruments straight from reaper.
What to you guys think?

pipelineaudio · 01-26-2009, 11:03 PM

this would only make sense if you almost always plugged the guitar into the same input on your soundcard. Or it might be kind of neat to have on that could pick from any channel any time? That might be cool!

nicholas · 01-26-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lestat66

I think this will make a great feature when launching 3.0 . Putting it some where next to the metronome and the other interface buttons. Not a as plugin.

It will be great to tune your instruments straight from reaper.
What to you guys think?

I'd say it's a neat idea but I suspect it may be a tad late to ask for this to be implemented in time for Reaper 3.

Personally I'd prefer to focus on getting the current feature set nailed down and debugged and on getting Reaper 3 out there ... then start looking at other new features for 3.x.

CoffeeMilkshake · 01-26-2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio

Or it might be kind of neat to have on that could pick from any channel any time? That might be cool!

That is a damn fine idea!!! I'm all for it!

darjama · 01-27-2009, 02:30 AM

You can just use a track template with Reatune, please don't clutter up the interface by adding a tuner.

Lestat66 · 01-27-2009, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by darjama

You can just use a track template with Reatune, please don't clutter up the interface by adding a tuner.

My friend uses his garage band tuning interface, I don't see him having clutter problems. The tuner interface pops back into place when he is done tuning. No big deal. But like Nicholas said, probably to late to be considered for 3.0. And maybe something that can be looked at sometime after that.

susbemol · 01-27-2009, 04:18 AM

Is it an issue to you to have ReaTune inserted as a plugin and then simply bypass or offline it when done? Ctrl+click or Ctrl+Shift+click...

Blechi · 01-27-2009, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by darjama

You can just use a track template with Reatune, please don't clutter up the interface by adding a tuner.

What darjama said.

manning1 · 01-27-2009, 05:11 AM

you can get free guitar tuner software off the net (google..)
if i remember.
so i dont see a need myself.
also cheap hardware based tuners are a dime a dozen.
i picked up a used one for price of a coffee... if i remember.

Lestat66 · 01-27-2009, 05:50 AM

I know this.. It's obvious you guys are not reading my original question. I am asking if it is possible to have one as part of the interface.

fladd · 01-27-2009, 05:53 AM

What would such a guitar tuner have that ReaTune does not have? It works perfectly here for tuning guitars.

fladd

Tedwood · 01-27-2009, 07:32 AM

If you are going to have a tuner I would want it to be a good one, the guitar sims have good ones. Waves GTR has the best tuner I have ever seen, just a shame the sim sounds shit. Guitar rig's is nearly as good, but i'm sorry to say that our own humble Reatune and needs some sort of stabilizing or damping, because it is too erratic IMHO

Lokasenna · 01-27-2009, 09:27 AM

1. Download the GVST bundle and have Reaper scan new plugins.

2. Make a blank trank in Reaper, add GTune as an effect, and put it on bypass.

3. Save this track as your default new track template.

Now every time you add a track, you just have to arm it, monitor the input, and un-bypass GTune to tune your guitar.

Jae.Thomas · 01-27-2009, 10:13 AM

reatune is all you need in a guitar tuner. imo i use it all the time

Kundalinguist · 01-27-2009, 10:27 AM

As a standalone tuner on Mac, I use TunaPitch. Simple and it works. Click the menu, tune, close window - gone. Twang, twang, bzzzz, twang, twang ]]]]]]]]]]]]

labyrinth · 01-27-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

reatune is all you need in a guitar tuner. imo i use it all the time

Good point...no need to reinvent the damn wheel.

CoffeeMilkshake · 01-27-2009, 11:48 AM

Hi!

I'd agree that there are others things that I'd like much more to see in v3.0 but I still think this would be a nice thing though implemented as per Pipeline's excelent suggestion.
But I also agree one can do it in no time as others pointed out here.Let's leave it up to the dev team, they always know best

And they have their roadmap to follow so...
I'm sure it will get looked in if they can/see a point.

Jae.Thomas · 01-27-2009, 12:03 PM

theres no point

what does reatune NOT do for a guitar tuner?

ahh, not part of the interface.

well, it would be useful for only strict guitar players who always need to tune their guitars, while taking performance away from other things.

why not put reatune on the master and disable it when you dont need it?

gofer · 01-27-2009, 12:20 PM

I'm undecided... It's somehow tempting, because most audio I record is indeed guitar and bass. If Reaper was a dedicated guitar recording app, I'd say yes immediately, but it's not. Why having a tuner when I record vocals, a piano or drums?

I think it's just too easy to have a tuner in the FX chain where it fits.

I'd rather see that icon area occupied by some icons indicating Reapers different modes, like for example I can't tell without actually playing back whether auto scroll is active or not. (I'd gladly sacrifice 'new project' or the 'file open/save icons' for that one...)

bluzkat · 01-27-2009, 12:26 PM

IMO... adding a 'tuner' to Reaper isn't necessary. Most guitar software has a tuner built in and there are also free vst versions available (Google is your friend).

If you want the 'best', see here: http://www.strobosoft.com/index.cfm?refer=JHC

Lestat66 · 01-27-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tedwood

If you are going to have a tuner I would want it to be a good one, the guitar sims have good ones. Waves GTR has the best tuner I have ever seen, just a shame the sim sounds shit. Guitar rig's is nearly as good, but i'm sorry to say that our own humble Reatune and needs some sort of stabilizing or damping, because it is too erratic IMHO

I have noticed it needs stabilizing too.

CoffeeMilkshake · 01-27-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

theres no point

what does reatune NOT do for a guitar tuner?

ahh, not part of the interface.

well, it would be useful for only strict guitar players who always need to tune their guitars, while taking performance away from other things.

why not put reatune on the master and disable it when you dont need it?

Hi Jason.

I wasn't implying reatune doesn't work for that purpose.
I simply like Pipeline's idea and don't see anything wrong with having one built in. But I can do as you suggested as well. It's no big deal...really.

And not my utmost priority, and certainly not the Dev Team's...

P.S. But perhaps it would be nice to have it as built-in for convenience sake.If I put in the master channel and start recording something with all other tracks going out through the master and suddenly I need to tune a specific instrument? Having one built-in and borrowing from Pipeline's idea I'd only have to bring the tuner and the guitar player would tune in on the fly just in time for the solo.Or am I missing something in kind of scenario?

CoffeeMilkshake · 01-27-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bluzkat

IMO... adding a 'tuner' to Reaper isn't necessary. Most guitar software has a tuner built in and there are also free vst versions available (Google is your friend).

If you want the 'best', see here: http://www.strobosoft.com/index.cfm?refer=JHC

Bluzcat,

That sure looks kinda nice

pipelineaudio · 01-27-2009, 02:26 PM

The only benefit I can see from a built in tuner would be the ability to use it at any time from any track. Im pretty sure you could stick reatune on a track and do that with the recieves menu, but that might be a bit harder, I dont know

CoffeeMilkshake · 01-27-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio

The only benefit I can see from a built in tuner would be the ability to use it at any time from any track. Im pretty sure you could stick reatune on a track and do that with the recieves menu, but that might be a bit harder, I dont know

My thoughts exactly.

P.S. But as I could be seeing this wrong I just thought I'd ask...

Lestat66 · 01-27-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pipelineaudio

The only benefit I can see from a built in tuner would be the ability to use it at any time from any track. Im pretty sure you could stick reatune on a track and do that with the recieves menu, but that might be a bit harder, I dont know

I'm thinking the same here

Lestat66 · 01-27-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

theres no point

what does reatune NOT do for a guitar tuner?

ahh, not part of the interface.

well, it would be useful for only strict guitar players who always need to tune their guitars, while taking performance away from other things.

why not put reatune on the master and disable it when you dont need it?

I see your point. I am pretty strict with tuning. I change my strings every 2-3 weeks, blending flamenco guitar on different tracks.

Lokasenna · 01-27-2009, 03:36 PM

Once again...

Default track templates

Problem solved.

Lestat66 · 01-27-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lokasenna

Once again...

Default track templates

Problem solved.

Sounds like a good alternative, I'll check it out and put it on my master.

Jae.Thomas · 01-27-2009, 04:07 PM

if you put one on the master, it is always live while you have the bypass off. (for ANY and ALL tracks ((routed to the master, which is every track by default)))

and it wont affect anything while the bypass is ON.

i think this is by far, the best solution.

jakerock · 01-27-2009, 04:32 PM

Please dont build a tuner in to the interface!

Signed, a guy who plays guitar and bass.
-Jake

CoffeeMilkshake · 01-27-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lokasenna

Once again...

Default track templates

Problem solved.

Hi.

For me it wasn't about solving a "problem", but all is well...it's not a big deal.Just thought we could discuss this further to see if there was an advantage in it being built-in, that's all.

And I know we can do this or that in many ways in Reaper, but that wasn't the point really. But I've said all I've got to say on this. It just seemed a good idea.

CoffeeMilkshake · 01-27-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

if you put one on the master, it is always live while you have the bypass off. (for ANY and ALL tracks ((routed to the master, which is every track by default)))

and it wont affect anything while the bypass is ON.

i think this is by far, the best solution.

Jason, I wasn't saying it would affect anything. Just saying it would be a bit hard to tune something using Reatune on the master channel when there's also other tracks going through it...

P.S. Oh and I'm not unhappy with all solutions you guys posted. I don't even use tuners. I was just thinking on the OP's idea and if it would be useful to ALL users, newbies, etc...

But no more flogging a dead horse

CoffeeMilkshake · 01-27-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jakerock

Signed, a guy who plays guitar and bass.
-Jake

Me too Jake. Well, guitar more often than bass but...

Jae.Thomas · 01-27-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CoffeeMilkshake

Jason, I wasn't saying it would affect anything. Just saying it would be a bit hard to tune something using Reatune on the master channel when there's also other tracks going through it...

P.S. Oh and I'm not unhappy with all solutions you guys posted. I don't even use tuners. I was just thinking on the OP's idea and if it would be useful to ALL users, newbies, etc...

But no more flogging a dead horse

you would tune a guitar while other tracks are playing? weird.

CoffeeMilkshake · 01-27-2009, 06:36 PM

Say I'm recording the keys and the guitar player comes in late. I can pull the tuner and let him tune his guitar while I'm with an hear on the recording taking place. Yeah maybe the guy should have a tuner with him, maybe I should wait for the keys man to end...

TheArchitect · 01-27-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lestat66

I think this will make a great feature when launching 3.0 . Putting it some where next to the metronome and the other interface buttons. Not a as plugin.

It will be great to tune your instruments straight from reaper.
What to you guys think?

I really don't see the point of this. I don't plug my instruments into the sound card typically and I have a top shelf Peterson along with any number of other tuners around the place.

Jae.Thomas · 01-27-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CoffeeMilkshake

Say I'm recording the keys and the guitar player comes in late. I can pull the tuner and let him tune his guitar while I'm with an hear on the recording taking place. Yeah maybe the guy should have a tuner with him, maybe I should wait for the keys man to end...

kind of a ridiculous situation.

i mean, if you had a track that needed keys and guitars on it, you would start recording WITHOUT the guitar player? And then connect him up, arm the track mid recording, insert any necessary effects, set up his headphones --

all in the middle of recording?!!!?

come on now... the least of your worries is tuning in this situation. If he can be late, he can tune his own guitar, along to the keys that are playing.

reatune bypassed on the master track on your project default = done, win, no possibility of fail

pipelineaudio · 01-27-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

if you put one on the master, it is always live while you have the bypass off. (for ANY and ALL tracks ((routed to the master, which is every track by default)))

and it wont affect anything while the bypass is ON.

i think this is by far, the best solution.

That would be about perfect

Im a dumbass

CoffeeMilkshake · 01-27-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

kind of a ridiculous situation.

i mean, if you had a track that needed keys and guitars on it, you would start recording WITHOUT the guitar player? And then connect him up, arm the track mid recording, insert any necessary effects, set up his headphones --

all in the middle of recording?!!!?

No, no, no.

I'd first record the keys. Them record the guitar on its own. You misundertood me. While I was recording the keys, I'd in advance put the guitar player tunning (just that) the guitar for when it'd be his turn that'd be taken care of.

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Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

come on now... the least of your worries is tuning in this situation. If he can be late, he can tune his own guitar, along to the keys that are playing.

This is not that level I'm afraid

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Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill

reatune bypassed on the master track on your project default = done, win, no possibility of fail

Yep, we have established that that works. My aim in post #4 was merely saying I'd support the OP's proposal. I'll repeat once more: it's not vital, I myself don't use tuners all that much...So again, I'll stop flogging this dead tuna, mkay?