Old 06-20-2011, 07:46 PM   #1
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Hey there.

I'm wondering if anybody here would be able to shed some light on a specific microphone I'm looking for.

It would only be used for voice (mostly just talking), but I need good rejection, and something that will only pickup the immediate voice in front of it.
Unfortunately, the room where I'll need to be using the microphone is a little echoey, but I unfortunately can't build a sound booth, soundproofing or anything in there.

If I had the money and permission to proof the whole room up, then I would but I can't so I thought maybe there's a microphone (probably a dynamic) that could help?

It's for a hobby radio studio, and the current microphone I'm using (a Studio Projects B1) which is fantastic and I love, is obviously a sensitive condenser and picks up everything in the room, and the room echoes.

Would anybody have some suggestions?

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Old 06-20-2011, 07:53 PM   #2
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Move closer to the mic. It'll pick up more of your voice, reducing the level of room sound relative to your voice.

With a good pop screen there's no reason you shouldn't be able to get a couple inches off the diaphragm.
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Hey there.

That was something I tried when I first took the microphone in. I use a filter too.
It makes the voice louder, yep, but still picks up echoes and noises on the other side of the room, cause it's a nice condenser.
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Old 06-20-2011, 08:30 PM   #4
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Your voice becomes louder but the room stays the same. You turn down your volume to get your voice to the same level and voila, room is quieter. The B1 is already a cardioid pickup pattern, you're not really going to do much better in terms of rejection unless you can find a condenser with a hypercardioid pattern... Maybe a shotgun mic?
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Old 06-20-2011, 08:30 PM   #5
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get a female one
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Old 06-20-2011, 10:31 PM   #6
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CAD D189 dynamic microphone. Good. Cheap.
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Old 06-21-2011, 12:20 AM   #7
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If you really can't change something about the room (open wardrobe?), you absolutely NEED to use a dynamic. While they're quite unsensitive, the distance to the mouth is crucial. Further away: room sound again, thin < vs. > closer: room sound minimised, but exaggerated bass response.
If you don't want to come the proximity effect in action, you may consider a dynamic omnidirectional (sounds counterproductive, I know) like a PL-5 or an MD-21 and record very close (lips touching the grill).

The classic though is the infamous Coles 4104 "lip microphone" (a ribbon).
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Old 06-21-2011, 02:07 AM   #8
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SM7B is your winner in a shitty room. Good rejection, and takes EQ really well.
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Old 06-21-2011, 07:07 AM   #9
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I vote Audix OM5 or OM7. The rejection on those is phenomenal. You have to get really close to them to make them work. Great on a loud stage or crappy room, but not as easy to use as a 58 because as soon as you get off axis your voice really goes away.
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SM7B is your winner in a shitty room. Good rejection, and takes EQ really well.
Couldn't agree more. A lot of home recorders ignore this dynamic due to its price, although it is one of the best values in a workhorse mic you could own.
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Old 06-21-2011, 07:38 AM   #11
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the audix are great for that as is the Blue 100 for only around $69 on ebay. I have 4 of the 100's and love them. Think SM57 on steriods.
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Any dynamic would be great.
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:45 AM   #13
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Couldn't agree more. A lot of home recorders ignore this dynamic due to its price, although it is one of the best values in a workhorse mic you could own.
+1 the sm7b is my absolute favorite microphone so far. I'd like to get my hands on an RE-20 as well though...
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Old 06-22-2011, 01:47 PM   #14
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There is a reason that radio stations have used dynamics for many decades.

The Shure SM-7b, Electrovoice RE-20 and Sennheiser MD-421 are standards.

(I use an MD-421 for my tenor sax and my commercial VO videos.)
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I'd like to get my hands on an RE-20 as well though...
Got one in back the late 90s and love it. One of the legendary standards for voice over work. I got a great deal, guy threw a studio together and went out of business very quickly. I purchased it from him for like 75.00 and it was still in the original plasic, brand new and never used.

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Old 06-22-2011, 04:39 PM   #16
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You may find one of these useful,

http://cgi.ebay.com/PORTABLE-SOUND-V...item2a0fc53d62

Or make similar.

I use a bit of foam out of an old mic box,



and have my mic stand about 4 feet from the back wall with a pop shield and sing close.Sounds and songs in sig.

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Stick your head in a "podcast microwave" they work great

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You could also try heavy moving blankets hung around the vocalist.
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You could also try heavy moving blankets hung around the vocalist.
Guess I should have included this link to my $40 solution for that:
http://www.palmcitystudios.com/timob...oundbooth.html

NOT a soundproof booth, more like a large ReflexionFilter....
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Old 06-23-2011, 05:23 PM   #20
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Yes and a lot cheaper
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Got one in back the late 90s and love it. One of the legendary standards for voice over work. I got a great deal, guy threw a studio together and went out of business very quickly. I purchased it from him for like 75.00 and it was still in the original plasic, brand new and never used.

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Old 06-23-2011, 07:54 PM   #22
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despite the hype and derision, +1 on the SM7b for a mic that ONLY pics up stuff shoved right in front of it. I can have cars drive past, people closing doors, fridge humming, and I get perfect vocal takes from it.
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despite the hype and derision, +1 on the SM7b for a mic that ONLY pics up stuff shoved right in front of it. I can have cars drive past, people closing doors, fridge humming, and I get perfect vocal takes from it.
Yup the SM7B is great for that. Any dynamic will do that as well as long as its cardioid.
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Beyerdynamic M201

Rode NT2G

Probably the latter for speech it is more sensitive and less noise.
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Move closer to the mic. It'll pick up more of your voice, reducing the level of room sound relative to your voice.

With a good pop screen there's no reason you shouldn't be able to get a couple inches off the diaphragm.
Two inches off the screen and you'll be involved in a lot of proximity effect. You know, no matter how bad your room is, unless you're doing screaming vocals, you ought to be good up to a foot away from the mic diaphragm. If you're from Europe, that's about 30 cm. Stay inside that zone, and you're good to go. You can even work the mic. But yeah, move closer to the mic.
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