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02-16-2015, 10:26 AM
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Saskatoon, Canada
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How close to the ground do you fly?
I'm curious how many Pre-Release users keep their production machines on the bleeding edge of the development cycle?
It came up in the SWS thread that some approach these pre-releases with extreme caution while others like myself tend to prefer doing actual work in their testing and just risk the consequences of that.
Thoughts? Opinions?
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02-16-2015, 10:44 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 22,572
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for 8 years I've installed the latest version at all times and had no fear. of ... the reaper. beta. or alpha. lol
however, using new features during work productions im a little leery of since they can be broken or change drastically.
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02-16-2015, 10:50 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Unwired (probably in the proximity of Amsterdam)
Posts: 4,868
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I always use the latest (pre-release) version, except when it has new bugs that bother me (e.g. OSC has been slightly broken since 5.0pre8). I do make sure to back up any important work, though (which can be as simple as using a DropBox folder for projects). Indeed, no fear of the REAPER's bleeding edge.
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02-16-2015, 10:58 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Caracas, Venezuela
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I had always used the lastest pre-release version since I started using REAPER but with this v5 pre cycle I decided to make a portable install because there are too many things that could change along the way and they could probably affect ongoing projects (like VCAs and per-take envelopes). Also, the default theme is still missing a good sidebar layout (I made one with help of Janne83 but it isn't there quite yet) and I rely on that layout a lot because I always try to keep my mixer (docked) small all the time (I could use the old v4 theme but the point is using the new stuff, isn't it? ). Anyways, I'm still waiting to see how VCAs will finally work and how per-take envelopes will end up to use v5. In the meantime, v4 still does the job
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02-16-2015, 11:01 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Croatia
Posts: 24,798
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I'm on a separate portable install for v5 prerelease cycle. Otherwise I'm usually on the latest pre of currently running version. Can't say I had a lot of issues - then again I don't do any time-critical productions, so...
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02-16-2015, 11:09 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Ireland
Posts: 174
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I used 5pre7 for a project last week. I used VCAs and Video features and made a note in the Project Settings of the version of Reaper used. Then I stuck a copy of the same Reaper installer in the project directory.
So, yep, throwing caution to the wind I suppose!
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02-16-2015, 11:11 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 4,109
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I always use the latest pre-release.
Hasn't burned me yet.
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02-16-2015, 12:09 PM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 2,279
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Quote:
Originally Posted by plush2
I'm curious how many Pre-Release users keep their production machines on the bleeding edge of the development cycle?
It came up in the SWS thread that some approach these pre-releases with extreme caution while others like myself tend to prefer doing actual work in their testing and just risk the consequences of that.
Thoughts? Opinions?
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I always use portable installs for pre-release builds along side my fully installed latest version. Things break and things come and go when it's in alpha/beta. It also makes it very useful and easy to confirm bugs and compare changes with the shipping version when using portable installs for pre-release builds. I also do a lot of beta testing for 3rd party plug-in developers and test them in both the shipping and pre-release versions.
Shane
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02-16-2015, 12:42 PM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 5,220
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I don't have any pressing deadlines yet and roll-back is so hilariously easy with Reaper that I always run the latest pre. Right now is an exception as I'm not running v5 alphas, I don't consider the new features essential for me and there are more kinks to be worked out, but I am running the latest 4.77pre.
Even if the content of a patch contains nothing I need, e.g. the latest one is mostly scripting updates and fixes, I install it anyway, just in case I might stumble upon a bug which I can report to help Reaper's development.
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02-16-2015, 02:18 PM
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#10
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,826
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My install has always been portable and always been the latest version, i have no problems dealing with any issues that may arise from that and truth be told it is rare any problems do (having to use the app with the occasional glitch or bug for a couple of days until the next update, i dont even count that)
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02-16-2015, 04:31 PM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Lincoln, UK
Posts: 7,942
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I run prerelease on a separate laptop, but if there's a function I like and a pre has been out a week or so or more with no major pestilences, then I might install it on the workstation -but usually it's a needs thing and relatively stable.
I kept away much of the v4.0 cycle as I was really too busy to test, and I didn't want something that was clocking up that many changes and moving at that speed in my production environment. I'm the same this time with the v5.0 pres; I have more time to run as a portable version on the laptop, but with the degree, number and turnover of additions and changes, I don't want to risk a project not loading/loading identically.
Schwa said about this dot-nought pre cycle being different, and if they draw a line under a feature-set and declare it non-reverting then I might use a 5pre, just for the VCAs! The alternative could be a long sit out for the rest of the major-cycle juggernaut, and I'm finding situations daily that VCAs would speed and smooth the workflow for
I'm still holding out for 1-channel tracks, pin-configurable pans and channels, and fader graticules being added to WALTER.
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02-16-2015, 04:36 PM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 4,846
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenny Gioia
I always use the latest pre-release.
Hasn't burned me yet.
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Hmm.. risky! But I guess experience informs. I'm still on 4.75 as I've read a few iffy comments here and there about later versions. Can't remember exactly what offhand but it was enough to stop me from installing further.
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02-16-2015, 07:20 PM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Saskatoon, Canada
Posts: 2,113
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I hinted at this in my initial post but the main reason for me is the same as why I have no time for save-defeated demos of software. The inability to do work in something is also the inability to test in my mind. I do not do mock projects and recordings, I am not a paid tester. I report bugs when I come across them in my work. I am careful and do pre-flight checks of all my deliverables so the risk is really a matter of potential inconvenience. Compared to the almost certain inconvenience of having a mock version that I would do mock tests in this is a small price to pay.
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02-17-2015, 12:37 AM
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#14
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Spain
Posts: 7,268
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I can work with latest 4.xx pre without problems.
but working with 5.xx pres when no official 5.0 is released yet may not be the best idea. For example first release that included VCA was not compatible with next release that changed something in the way VCA tracks were stored in the project. Or see latest pre13 that doesn't work well with latest SWS.
But on the other side.. it would be better to find bugs when you work on real life projects.
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02-17-2015, 01:08 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Berlin
Posts: 11,818
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5.0 is on a portable install, with 4.77 still being the main install.
I only use the 5.0 install though. I don't use the VCAs except to test for flaws, because the backend isn't finalized yet. When that's locked down I'll start using it productively.
edit: The reason I use 5.0 is the video and track ruler features amongst others. Dockable video and better performance is sweet.
Last edited by airon; 02-17-2015 at 03:41 AM.
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02-27-2015, 07:17 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: London, UK
Posts: 2,583
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
5.0 is on a portable install, with 4.77 still being the main install.
I don't use [REAPER 5]'s VCAs except to test for flaws, because the backend isn't finalized yet. When that's locked down I'll start using it
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Exactly. I'm afraid that if I start using R5's VCAs and something changes that screws with my projects, I'm a bit screwed.
But otherwise, I always use the latest pre (currently up to 4.77)
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03-17-2015, 11:59 PM
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#17
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Tasmania
Posts: 553
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I've just made the jump to running the pre release "for real" for the AVFoundation video encoding alone. I'm generating a lot of client preview videos for a project at the moment, and I'm saving so much time not having to do a separate transcoding pass.
Will start playing properly with some of the new features once I have a spare moment
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03-18-2015, 02:49 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Oblivion
Posts: 10,271
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i used pre's for everything during the last cycle. the only risk i am aware of is that a project might not open with a later version.
it happened to me a couple times, you just finish the project with the same version or hope a later version fixes it. so, maybe a good idea is to write the version used somewhere in the project.
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03-26-2015, 04:52 PM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Oulu, Finland
Posts: 8,062
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I used Reaper 5 pre 15 (OS-X 64 bit) during a live performance a couple of weeks ago without much hesitations. I did, however, only use old and well established features. I think that generally is how things will go. The old stuff in Reaper will keep working no matter if the build is a "beta" or "prerelease" but the newly added stuff might blow up occasionally.
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