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04-04-2008, 05:38 AM
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Uncheck Options/Loop points linked to time selection.
Now you can change the timeselection without interfering with the loop selection.
To zero the time selection, have Snap on and select and drag out a bit then back to the cursor. Zero.
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04-04-2008, 06:02 AM
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How is this done in Pro Tools to turn your mouse to function this way?
++1 for the FR
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04-04-2008, 08:31 AM
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Quote:
Now you can change the timeselection without interfering with the loop selection.
To zero the time selection, have Snap on and select and drag out a bit then back to the cursor. Zero.
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that's just a workaround. I know you can unlink loop and selection, but I wonder why pressing esc delete the two zones :/
Of course you can go edit the selection to zero, but that's just lost time. How many time do you need to remove selection AND loop at the same time??? especially if you consider pressing the loop button stops the loop without removing it. What a bunch of time and clicks you lost with that strangely dominant timerange selection...
Everything is stupidly stucked to it!
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04-04-2008, 10:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by labyrinth
How is this done in Pro Tools to turn your mouse to function this way?
++1 for the FR
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In PT it is similar, and called Link Time and Edit Selection.
As for zeroing the time selection with just a click in to the timeline, that's how Protools works, and the Selection cursor would do exactly that too if the user does not click and drag the cursor.
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04-04-2008, 11:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by labyrinth
How is this done in Pro Tools to turn your mouse to function this way?
++1 for the FR
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Press F6, F7 and F8 at the same time to engage the SmartTool.
The cursor will have different behaviors in different places on an audio region.
- Top Left and Right of a region is the Fade Tool.
- Bottom Middle is the Grabber Tool
- Left or Right End is the Trim Tool
- Top Middle is the Selector Tool
When used with modifier keys, these tools become additional functions like Time Compress/Expand and etc.
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04-04-2008, 05:42 PM
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Sounds familiar, doesn't it. It's exactly what Reaper does, minus the selector tool, but plus the clip gain, slide and grouped editing.
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04-05-2008, 12:03 AM
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Reaper just need a "proper" way for the alt+right click feature, simply. It already draw a square zone, so it shouldn't highlight the full timerange and the full clips, just the selected zone. That's how cubendo, sonar, Live, ext or tracktion works.
and also finally unlink selection to timerange. timerange selection as it is is a great feature, but it disables a lot of other possibilities. The way Justin unlinked loop and selection (not enough, pressing esc should not kill the loop settings) should be follow to free other selection modes usefuls in micro editing. when I select a noise on a guitar track, I don't need to have the whole timerane to be highlighted or selected.
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06-13-2008, 08:36 AM
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Time to bump this.
I've talked to a number of editors in the past weeks. Everyone needs this kind of functionality. When I told them of "ALT+right-click to make a selection across the entire timeline, then use a special command that is not the standard cut/copy/paste" most just laughed and went back to work shaking their heads.
Is there a way to make this an optional behaviour, so people who need it can do so ?
The only other alternative I see right now is to make what the mouse cursor does completely configurable. Graphically however I don't see much of an alternative to what I posted at the start. Having the time selection go across the entire arrangement area and standard commands work only on entire items is simply not as effective as the proposed methods.
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06-14-2008, 11:06 AM
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++1
This is probably the main feature I think that's holding me back from moving from simply looking at reaper once a month, to buying a commercial license and using it as a main DAW. The mixing and routing is great, as is the audio processing, but it simply isn't fast enough for edits - I specialise in commercial / pop stuff, so I'm never working with less than 100 tracks, and they all need to be edited tightly. Not having this form of selection easily accessible makes it nigh on impossible to use for these sort of sessions.
That's not to say, though that I believe it'll be easy to implement: Steinberg have put this functionality into cubase, but it's quite clunky, compared to PT.
-Fergal
Last edited by fergal; 06-14-2008 at 11:13 AM.
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07-12-2008, 01:43 PM
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This is a bump and reminder, that this selection and editing method is a necessity for all, including musicians, dialog-fx-foley-music editors, arrangers and so many others.
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07-12-2008, 01:52 PM
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++1
A truly important feature for all of us who edits in absurdum.
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08-11-2008, 06:44 PM
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and i thought i was the only one!!
How many + 1's can i fit on this page!!
This is the only feature i miss from protools.
Justin, if you're listening. This feature is a must.
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08-12-2008, 04:09 AM
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#53
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BASIC - edit selection ability
Trouble is that this selection method we all want is native to NOTEPAD !!! And thus native to any windows application.
Its just basic windows stuff.
Same goes for basic cursor 'snap-to' behaviour. Native to notepad and all other writing programs I know of.
And yet both functions are missing from Reaper.
In Sam you can mark a region on a single line (track) as you can in notepad. You don't get the whole document marked at once as is forced in Reaper.
So one has to ask the question why these functions are not native to Reaper? I can't see the advantages by not having these functions and if you look at the popularity of the threads asking why these functions are missing its even harder to understand.
Cheers
maa
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08-12-2008, 10:12 AM
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+1 (and some characters)
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08-12-2008, 02:34 PM
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Yes, but ...
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Originally Posted by airon
Left click and drag in the UPPER HALF of the track. It would look like this:
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Good approach.
The only limitation I see with this is when you have automation.
How can you select specific automation points located in the upper half of the track ?
I still think Reaper should allow showing either audio OR automation data and not both on the same level.
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08-12-2008, 03:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mio*star
Good approach.
The only limitation I see with this is when you have automation.
How can you select specific automation points located in the upper half of the track ?
I still think Reaper should allow showing either audio OR automation data and not both on the same level.
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that would still be done via the right-click no?
and reaper if audomation nodes alerady have focus, then the left click should work to select nodes no?
.t
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08-12-2008, 03:06 PM
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yes, but ...
Oh yes, right.
So : left click for audio / right click for automation etc. ?
what about contextual menus, then ?
(I feel like missing something here ;-)
mio*star
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08-12-2008, 03:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mio*star
Oh yes, right.
So : left click for audio / right click for automation etc. ?
what about contextual menus, then ?
(I feel like missing something here ;-)
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I would suggest that right click is context sensitive or mouse cursor sensitive. If it is over a node vs over the item.
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08-15-2008, 01:05 AM
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Let's have it !
Yes.
And this blinking cursor is just a great idea !
"what you blink is what you edit"
great concept !
+++++++++++++
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08-16-2008, 06:56 AM
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This is not going away. I keep getting questions about whether or not this feature is finally present in the most recent release.
This feature request will expand the editing capabilities of Reaper and make it much more intuitive and easy to use for a lot of people. Could somebody please explain, as Maa has stated, what the advantages of not expanding the capabilities are ?
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08-16-2008, 10:02 AM
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bunpety bump ++1
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08-17-2008, 02:28 AM
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Selection Tool
+1 as well here, I miss this from other daws
if it helps anyone (it sure helps me),
I made this Selection tool a while back that swaps Left-Alt with Right-Alt.
So I can Leftclick-drag a selection (also selecting the items over multiple tracks) by holding the Alt key down.
Also holding the Win key down gives you Leftclick drag Marquee Selection.
Win-X closes the exe, so if you set a shortcut for it to open in windows, you can toggle it on/off when necessary.
Not ideal, but a big help for now.
http://shup.com/Shup/57210/SELECT.exe
Last edited by Bevosss; 08-17-2008 at 02:30 AM.
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08-17-2008, 02:34 AM
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Btw we've been waiting a LONG time for this, I started a thread on this missing feature back in Jan 2007.
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=4793
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08-19-2008, 02:40 AM
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bump as well
++1
be-beli-bump !
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08-19-2008, 11:16 AM
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+1
This would make editing in Reaper 100 times better for me.
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08-19-2008, 11:20 AM
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Add...
+1 to this one!
Selection tool can get rid of many editing problems, I know actually our great TEAM is getting into MIDI's upgrades and fixing but when they finish that they should take a look at this... I'm sure it'll take Reaper to major level on editing capabilities.
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08-22-2008, 12:50 AM
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badabump
++1
oooowwwwww yesssssss
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08-22-2008, 10:26 AM
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it will be in 2.45...
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08-22-2008, 10:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro
it will be in 2.45...
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are you on the dev team now? or just doing favours?
hehehe
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08-22-2008, 11:43 AM
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hehe
Not exactly T...
I was just saying that we can do some sort of this selection thingy with new build... that's all! How I know? Well, you know how I know... you knew it too.
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08-22-2008, 12:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro
Not exactly T...
I was just saying that we can do some sort of this selection thingy with new build... that's all! How I know? Well, you know how I know... you knew it too.
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hmmm... I need to look again, 'cause I am in the dark here.
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08-22-2008, 01:51 PM
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The problem with the current time selection is that it extends through all tracks in the project. What we need is "free" selection.
I think that's been FR'ed a couple of hundred times.
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08-22-2008, 03:30 PM
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It seems to me that the time selection is really just a dynamic section marker, that enables you to do things to select items or all items touched by it... but it is just a marker, dynamic as it moves around.
now if want a (mostly) simple (albeit somewhat cumbersome) selection tool, then use alt+right-click+drag... and every touched items is selected and ready for tweaking in the time selection that is also set. to add items to that selection right-click drag on them and add ctrl before releasing the mouse button.
I am not sure if these methods were designed to work like this, but they do. And Yes! it takes a while to wrap the noggin around what really could be simple if airon's FR was implemented.
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08-22-2008, 03:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro
Not exactly T...
I was just saying that we can do some sort of this selection thingy with new build... that's all! How I know? Well, you know how I know... you knew it too.
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the new additions to the pre9 soon to be 2.45 have 0 to do wiht airon's FR. Alas! but they do address some old/weird copy and paste behaviour.
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08-22-2008, 04:08 PM
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They add what an older FR suggested, that copying a time selection copies the empty space with it, thus making the time selection even more useful. I still need that to extend to the glue function as well.
All the same, this FR gives the user a more intuitive and straightforward method of achieving many of the things you can do right now, and some that you cannot.
And by intuitive I mean, the user doesn't have to check what items or tracks are selected.
Clarity, plus one additional way to select and edit items and hopefully automation as well.
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08-22-2008, 04:20 PM
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I didn't said it was going to solve all problems but it solves one of them... one is something, don't you think?
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08-22-2008, 04:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallisman
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It seems to me that the time selection is really just a dynamic section marker, that enables you to do things to select items or all items touched by it... but it is just a marker, dynamic as it moves around.
now if want a (mostly) simple (albeit somewhat cumbersome) selection tool, then use alt+right-click+drag... and every touched items is selected and ready for tweaking in the time selection that is also set. to add items to that selection right-click drag on them and add ctrl before releasing the mouse button.
I am not sure if these methods were designed to work like this, but they do. And Yes! it takes a while to wrap the noggin around what really could be simple if airon's FR was implemented.
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I'm lost on that one. Can you demonstrate that with a video of how you'd select say, 3 partial sections of items on three tracks?
I just need to understand better. You're grasp of these things in Reaper are far beyond mine.
Thanks.
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08-22-2008, 05:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawrence
I'm lost on that one. Can you demonstrate that with a video of how you'd select say, 3 partial sections of items on three tracks?
I just need to understand better. You're grasp of these things in Reaper are far beyond mine.
Thanks.
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sure thing... hang tight
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08-22-2008, 05:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawrence
I'm lost on that one. Can you demonstrate that with a video of how you'd select say, 3 partial sections of items on three tracks?
I just need to understand better. You're grasp of these things in Reaper are far beyond mine.
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Download this and double-click it, then hold the Alt key down and try leftclick-dragging across multiple items.
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08-22-2008, 07:39 PM
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What is that? Won't run here. It's runs as a process but it's not visible on the screen.
Had to CTL-Alt-Del to shut it down.
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