Old 01-10-2014, 08:04 AM   #1
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Gain reduction dependant ATTACK and RELEASE modulation

When gain reduction passes a certain mark, ATTACK and RELEASE parameters could be lowered or increased. Increasing them apparently gives you characteristics of opto compressors.

More ideas for functionality or GUI (it'll stay OS-sparse-style so wave good bye to painted GUIs here) ??
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Old 01-10-2014, 11:46 AM   #2
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+1

would be very cool
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Old 01-11-2014, 12:50 AM   #3
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-Range control (maximum gain reduction)
-Not so windows 95 looking.
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-Range control (maximum gain reduction)
-Not so windows 95 looking.
Quite a few compressors have compression range parameters, but they often just scale the response instead of simply limiting it.

Your idea would be a gain range limiter, configured in dB ? I'll sign up for both.
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:30 AM   #5
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Disregard.

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- An Input Gain Control
- Independent L/R operation for stereo signals. (switch off stereo linking)
You might want to attach a "this is how it should not work" for that last one, just in case Cockos might be tempted to just stick a tab feature in to ReaComp.
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Old 01-11-2014, 09:52 AM   #7
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You lost me there. Unlinking stereo signals on a comp is just an option. It doesn't say how people should work, it only allows another option for cases where it might be useful.

If it's never useful for any use case for an individual, never unlink them? If it never has any use for anyone in any case, nobody would ever allow it.
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You wouldn't want to set individual thresholds and stuff ? Just unlink shouldn't be hard then. That's a checkbox.
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Old 01-11-2014, 10:04 AM   #9
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Okey dokey.

You asked people for random ideas for ReaComp, like doing a brainstorming session. I didn't know the result of that would be debating the ideas before the list of ideas was even complete.

I officially retract mine. Never mind.
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-Not so windows 95 looking.
Not sure. I like the bare GUI. It is very functional and keeps my mind on what I'm really doing. So much placebo going on with other plugs it's not even funny.
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Okey dokey.

You asked people for random ideas for ReaComp, like doing a brainstorming session. I didn't know the result of that would be debating the ideas before the list of ideas was even complete.

I officially retract mine. Never mind.
Oh no. I didn't mean it that way. The comment about Cockos resorting to tabs was tongue in cheek. Also didn't intend to spark big debates. Something bugging you ?

Everyone, please keep the ideas coming and don't be afraid to post links to ideas that were already posted for ReaComp.
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Old 01-13-2014, 04:16 AM   #12
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I started a feature request about MS compression not so long ago. Never caught on so I'll just link it here for the description. I think this would be a very good/advanced feature.

http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=4836
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Yeah, mid/side options were the first thing to spring to mind for me.

I'd like to see negative ratios (like in ReaXComp). Maybe some kind transient detection.

Agreed on the gain-driven attack and release, that sounds very cool.
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Old 03-05-2014, 01:49 PM   #14
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Hi,

+1 on "unlink stereo". Lawrence is absolutely right. There is a sonic difference with unlinked operation; You hear it the best when compressing groups or the entire mix. I own Brainworx' Vertigo compressor which really is a hi-end comp in both real world and software world. and it has Dual Mono operation wich is nothing else than unlinked stereo. (Okay, "Dual Mono" gives you another set of parameters. Though usually don't need that independence)

Most people being fans of 1176er compression on drums do forget about one important thing: An 1176 is a MONO unit! So it's unnatural to use it as a linked stereo device (as most plugins like the Rocket are). Use two, one for left, the other one for right and suddenly it's much more...well, 1176 :-)
"Unlink Stereo" is a reasonable demand.

BTW, you can simulate the behaviour of an opto attack/release with the parameter modulation. I did that, just use the audio envelope as trigger. the louder the input the shorter the attack/release is set.

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Link/unlink stereo: 0-100%
Auto-rms: http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=112932
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Would really like low/high pass filter on the Wet sound (currently only available for input sensitivity), and possibly ability to add more compressor tabs similar to how delay taps work. Keeps all the compression in one place and makes the multicomp idea a bit easier to work with.
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BTW, you can simulate the behaviour of an opto attack/release with the parameter modulation. I did that, just use the audio envelope as trigger. the louder the input the shorter the attack/release is set.
Smart idea!
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Would really like low/high pass filter on the Wet sound (currently only available for input sensitivity), and possibly ability to add more compressor tabs similar to how delay taps work. Keeps all the compression in one place and makes the multicomp idea a bit easier to work with.
This. Most of the time, when I use a multicomp, I'm only using a single band so I don't have to make a separate track with a bandpass on it. Setting ReaComp up similar to ReaPitch would be amazing, and being able to sidechain per tab would be... um... amazinger.
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I would have said attack time law options ie. linear plus two or three curves.

The idea of parameter modulation of the attack time is very interesting as the parameter modulation window has good scaling.
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Yeah, mid/side options were the first thing to spring to mind for me.

I'd like to see negative ratios (like in ReaXComp). Maybe some kind transient detection.

Agreed on the gain-driven attack and release, that sounds very cool.
A big +1 on negative ratios. I was going to post that too.
There are many times I want a side chained expander and ReaComp with negative ratios would be my first choice.
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Just gonna leave this here:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=138665

"Essentially the idea is to take the unique functions from ReaComp (External sidechain, automated release) and put them into a per-band use in ReaXComp, then rename ReaXComp to ReaComp and remove the old ReaComp altogether, a merger into the ultimate compressor VST... well, ever. I seriously would not be able to name anything better, since it's competition would be [Waves C6 and 5orcery but with infinite bands and even more control + features]"

And yeah Mid/Side would be sweet
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Yeah I can get behind that for sure.
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Old 08-27-2014, 03:08 AM   #23
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indeed. negative ratios/upwards compression would be my favourite thing to have.

That and "rea-transient" based on the proper way of doing a
"transient designer" like spl does using the difference between two envelopes etc etc. We have some JS but they need more fine tuning as it's not an easy thign to get right without artifacts.
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Just gonna leave this here:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=138665

"Essentially the idea is to take the unique functions from ReaComp (External sidechain, automated release) and put them into a per-band use in ReaXComp, then rename ReaXComp to ReaComp and remove the old ReaComp altogether, a merger into the ultimate compressor VST... well, ever. I seriously would not be able to name anything better, since it's competition would be [Waves C6 and 5orcery but with infinite bands and even more control + features]"

And yeah Mid/Side would be sweet
I'm all for your suggestions about ReaXComp but I would not be in favour of REPLACING ReaComp with this. I think the two should continue to be available individually.

FWIW - I've never really taken much of a liking to ReaXComp. The crossover seems to do odd things to the audio. For multiband dynamics, I always use Ozone 5 Dynamics.

I really like almost all of the ReaPlugs but ReaXComp is an exception for me personally. The crossovers need tweaking.
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+1 for stereo unlinking
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Ability to set the 'ceiling' when using as a limiter (unless this already possible but I haven't figured it out...?), with inter-sample peak detection

Upwards compression

Stereo unlink

Tabs
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[SIZE="3"]More ideas for functionality or GUI (it'll stay OS-sparse-style so wave good bye to painted GUIs here) ??
Of course it would be nice to see a graphic of the reduction curve ("Knee").

Technically, I always asked myself why the curve is as hard "knee" and not a soft "Parable" that maybe could be tweaked by two, three of four parameters. Seems easy to do and rather logical.

OTOH, I (non-prof) am not even able to decently decide the knee value. So we would need a decent set of viable default settings.

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