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01-09-2015, 06:44 PM
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Default Commala 4
https://stash.reaper.fm/theme/1520/De...ReaperThemeZip
I've just uploaded the latest version of my theme mod, Default Commala 4. Check it out, comments are welcome.
Too many tweaks and fixes to remember, but the main ones are below.
Once again, this mod could not be possible without the far more considerable contributions of Lerian and White Tie. Thanks to both of you. Also thanks to Nick Moritz, as I've included a few Rado icons with the theme.
Cheers
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Posted a new version that contains only light layouts, and a light arrange page, midi editor, bright fonts, for use in brighter rooms or by a window during daylight. The old version of Default Commala 4 I've updated to include only dark layouts, and the layouts have all been renamed so that they are interchangeable between themes. You can switch back and forth between the two themes and all layout assignments will remain.
https://stash.reaper.fm/theme/1522/De...ReaperThemeZip
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Changes in version 4 include:
- new Condensed TCP layout
- new small master MCP layout
- Added meter peak markings and record inputs to nearly all of the MCP layouts
- New small Sidebar/FX rack MCP layout for working with small mixer heights
- Big Meter TCP altered to show a better subset of controls when minimized
- all MCP layouts have improved shrinking behaviour
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Default Commala features:
- MCP track folder state indentation, as seen in WT Voodoo
- new TCP Big Meter layouts
- new MCP small Sidebar/FX rack layout
- new MIDI editor pitch colours
- new panners
- extensive coloured fader layouts
- colour swatches are a matched shade to allow easy colour coding
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01-09-2015, 11:35 PM
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Lovely.
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01-10-2015, 11:26 AM
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Here is a link to download the full version with an excessive number of coloured fader layouts, nearly every configuration in six or seven colours, for those of you who want that. It is not a ReaperThemeZip, so you'll need to copy these files to your ColorTheme directory.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wc7d54ll9...JTuuxKNua?dl=0
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01-10-2015, 11:41 AM
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thanks Commala, looking forward to checking this out!
thanks for the small track height tweaks!
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01-11-2015, 01:40 PM
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sweet, looking great!
hey, is there an easy way to disable all the metering coloring and allow me to set the meter colors in the theme editor? Like some sort of global ";" I can insert for the whole theme?
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01-11-2015, 01:44 PM
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You can open the theme and change the names of the two meter pngs. meter_strip_v and meter_strip_h I think, or something similar.
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01-11-2015, 01:58 PM
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right thats it thanks!
though if there was a global way, that would be useful too, as it's a bit of a pita to do that for every layout (this theme has a lot of png's)
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01-11-2015, 02:07 PM
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never mind, i just used a batch renamer, worked perfect, thanks
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01-11-2015, 02:13 PM
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Wonderful
This theme looks very good and is usable too!
Thank you!
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01-11-2015, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gwok
right thats it thanks!
though if there was a global way, that would be useful too, as it's a bit of a pita to do that for every layout (this theme has a lot of png's)
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Ah, I didn't realize there were meter strips in every layout. I wonder why?
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01-11-2015, 10:40 PM
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Nice changes.
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01-14-2015, 03:41 PM
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It looks very nice, thank you for sharing.
Will it be compatible with forthcoming v5 ?
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01-14-2015, 09:27 PM
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been looking for a compact theme for the tcp and this comes close. don't want to cross-post so, see my observations of commala vs granttheme in post 7 here:
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.p...=1#post1459963
thanks,
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01-14-2015, 11:37 PM
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Babag, which elements do you find most important? Personally, I think for the 'big meter' when minimized-
1. Color/name thing is acceptable. I use icons too.
2. Meter is pretty good (not visible in compact folder)
3. I/O. I might prefer a 'M/R/S' button instead for indicator usefulness. I guess that's a little odd though. (edit- Maybe one could make a M/R/S that looked like an I/O? Using yellow and blue (green?) somehow? No idea if that would be possible or how difficult it would be.)
4. Mute button-good
5. Solo would be good
6. Like rec arm button (to give indication of auto rec arm status)
7. FX button is pretty cool. Personally, again, I don't know if it is absolutely necessary in minimized state. But I like how it's been compacted. Also the number area with the indenting function is a nice addition. Maybe this 'theme' can be developed, to fit more in? I don't know if I'd like the mute and solo above one another. Maybe. I'm pretty sure I don't want a thinner meter.
Commala, please don't take my opinions badly. I like the theme as it is. Hey, could the track icon area be pink or yellow lined or whatever to stop it from shifting in width, thus disturbing the alignment of the controls when zooming out? Also, what do you know about making the transport time selection fields adapt/become larger when there is room? Would it result in something ugly? Just wondering, don't trouble your self too much. Thanks again for making this available.
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01-15-2015, 12:02 AM
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i don't know from big meters.
after spending some time with this and granttheme, i've concluded, as i always do, that it's not worth the time it would take to get these themes usable for me. there's always a series of issues and the time it would take to sort them out is too great.
overall, i think the granttheme does a better job of cramming a lot of useful tools into a very small space. where that falls down though, and maybe commala works better, is as the view is expanded. granttheme becomes confusing and downright silly by the time i get to a full screen track because it neither scales or centers the track tools.
these two themes seem very close, to me, but neither is quite right.
thanks,
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01-21-2015, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mind Riot
Lovely.
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Originally Posted by gwok
thanks Commala, looking forward to checking this out!
thanks for the small track height tweaks!
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Originally Posted by egoplasma
This theme looks very good and is usable too!
Thank you!
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Originally Posted by FnA
Nice changes.
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Thank you all for trying it. Even though I began this modification for myself, it is still very gratifying that other people are able to get some use out of the work I have done. I appreciate the feedback
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01-21-2015, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Ape
Ah, I didn't realize there were meter strips in every layout. I wonder why?
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They are present in every black layout because the main directory in a theme contains the pngs to be used in common between all layouts. If a layout requires a different png for anything (as the black layouts do), then those pngs that are different must be placed in the folder for that layout.
All the black layouts have darker meter backgrounds than the light layouts. To answer more simply, the reason is stylistic. The layouts could use more pngs in common, but I thought it would not look best.
What this means is that every black layout needs a meter png in that folder to override the one in the main directory.
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Originally Posted by sinkmusic
It looks very nice, thank you for sharing.
Will it be compatible with forthcoming v5 ?
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01-21-2015, 12:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FnA
Babag, which elements do you find most important? Personally, I think for the 'big meter' when minimized-
1. Color/name thing is acceptable. I use icons too.
2. Meter is pretty good (not visible in compact folder)
3. I/O. I might prefer a 'M/R/S' button instead for indicator usefulness. I guess that's a little odd though. (edit- Maybe one could make a M/R/S that looked like an I/O? Using yellow and blue (green?) somehow? No idea if that would be possible or how difficult it would be.)
4. Mute button-good
5. Solo would be good
6. Like rec arm button (to give indication of auto rec arm status)
7. FX button is pretty cool. Personally, again, I don't know if it is absolutely necessary in minimized state. But I like how it's been compacted. Also the number area with the indenting function is a nice addition. Maybe this 'theme' can be developed, to fit more in? I don't know if I'd like the mute and solo above one another. Maybe. I'm pretty sure I don't want a thinner meter.
Commala, please don't take my opinions badly. I like the theme as it is. Hey, could the track icon area be pink or yellow lined or whatever to stop it from shifting in width, thus disturbing the alignment of the controls when zooming out? Also, what do you know about making the transport time selection fields adapt/become larger when there is room? Would it result in something ugly? Just wondering, don't trouble your self too much. Thanks again for making this available.
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It's no problem, your input is extremely valuable.
I've been away for some time, so I've been unable to use my image editing software. All the changes I've been making have been in the walter code, so I haven't looked into doing an MRS button yet. The problem would be that the Big Meter TCP layouts share resources with the big meter MCP layouts. Therefore, the MRS button would have to be used in both. That might change the MCP more than I am prepared to do for now.
Also, I don't know about the icon sizes. I know there are walter functions that deal with this, but I've never tried them. Will check it out.
I also enlarged the transport selection field and assigned it to Walter font 7 so it can be independently sized.
I'll post a gif of the new changes to Big Meter TCP. I hope I've managed to address some of the suggestions you had, both yourself and BabaG. It's quite different, but I think greatly improved. Let me know what you think
Edit: I'll post here when the new version is up
Last edited by Commala; 01-23-2015 at 03:35 PM.
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01-21-2015, 12:40 PM
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01-21-2015, 07:57 PM
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Awesome. Seems nearly perfect. I use at least 3 usually 4 levels of folder including top. Should work I think. I think I'll be using it at narrowest setting that shows i/o.
MRS is no biggy. Don't care too much.
I also hide tracks often if that is relevant.
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01-21-2015, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Commala
All the black layouts have darker meter backgrounds than the light layouts.
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Ah, the meter bg! Of course. I was only looking at the meter colors themeselves, duh.
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01-23-2015, 03:50 PM
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Updated Jan 23
- Big Meter TCP improved
- fonts enlarged and more amenable to resizing
- larger transport selection field
- large master MCP layouts are larger than ever
- new small master MCP layouts
- new meter strips with better functionality
- separators are full length/height (no longer show track icon tile)
- peak readouts on every MCP layout
- record input fields are right justified, offering better feedback when using modes like midi overdub or midi touch-replace
I've also updated the dropbox link to the full version with the same changes.
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01-23-2015, 04:34 PM
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Smashing theme this, looks great. Thanks
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01-24-2015, 04:17 PM
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Very nice man. I like how you've put the numbers on the meters. Think I'll switch to smaller mixer layout. TSel field looks good. Won't be able to try on my dualie setup for a few days
Not sure about the meters. I guess I liked that. I liked the icons too. :P But it's ok either way.
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01-24-2015, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cprompt
Smashing theme this, looks great. Thanks
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You're most welcome, cheers
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Originally Posted by FnA
Very nice man. I like how you've put the numbers on the meters. Think I'll switch to smaller mixer layout. TSel field looks good. Won't be able to try on my dualie setup for a few days
Not sure about the meters. I guess I liked that. I liked the icons too. :P But it's ok either way.
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I think the meters are conforming better to a standard now. Before, if you wanted to turn off sticky clip indicators, the meters changing colour after clipping would sort of defeat that. I guess the question is how many users choose not to use sticky clip indicators. Might not be worthwhile to provide for an option few people use (of course, that runs counter to the Reaper ethos)
I'm not sure what you mean about the icons? The toolbar icons?
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01-24-2015, 06:27 PM
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The icons on the separators.
Ha! I thought they wouldn't show up. Nevermind
Laptop Reaper's different than my main daw.
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01-30-2015, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Commala
Also, I don't know about the icon sizes. I know there are walter functions that deal with this, but I've never tried them. Will check it out.
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Did you see how v5 (pre9) is working in this respect?
In other words, I don't know if you'd be wasting your time.
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01-30-2015, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FnA
Did you see how v5 (pre9) is working in this respect?
In other words, I don't know if you'd be wasting your time.
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I didn't realize that those values are read only. I commented on it here http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=154198
So that means you can adjust elements in the TCP or MCP based on how big the icon row is, but you can't change how big it is. Maybe as more users adopt larger screens we'll see flexibility in setting the size of the icon row, but I don't find it to be a big deal, myself.
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02-03-2015, 11:33 AM
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I think you downloaded the "full version" from the dropbox link, or possibly an older version. Instead, download this https://stash.reaper.fm/22853/Default...ReaperThemeZip and double click it. Reaper should open with the theme loaded.
If you really want to use the full version (it has way too many pngs to be put in a ReaperThemeZip and used normally) then you'll have to extract the files to your Reaper/Colorthemes folder.
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If anyone is interested, I think the magic number is 2048 pngs. Above that, and the ReaperThemeZip won't load correctly. Also, the number of TCP layouts is capped at 28, but the number of MCP layouts, if it is too great, will cause the TCP layouts to disappear from the right click context menu entirely. Weird.
Last edited by Commala; 02-03-2015 at 03:29 PM.
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02-03-2015, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Commala
If anyone is interested, I think the magic number is 2048 pngs. Above that, and the ReaperThemeZip won't load correctly. Also, the number of TCP layouts is capped at 28, but the number of MCP layouts, if it is too great, will cause the TCP layouts to disappear from the right click context menu entirely. Weird.
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FWIW, this is incorrect... If you work the code a certain way using the 'Layout' and 'EndLayout' lines and other "hacks", you can place in quite a bit more. I have been working on my V5 theme that has currently 33 TCP options (including the color choices), and still more are possible. The MCP has 112 currently (also if you include the color choices of each layout), and I'm not done there, either. You can also "stack" the PNG folders inside, with multiple layouts using the same resources, so that you can fit in much more while still keeping a minimal footprint. This way, themes load quickly and properly show all layout menu options.
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02-03-2015, 03:35 PM
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Just posted a new version that contains only light layouts, and a light arrange page, midi editor, bright fonts, for use in brighter rooms or by a window during daylight. The old version of Default Commala 4 I've updated to include only dark layouts, and the layouts have all been renamed so that they are interchangeable between themes. You can switch back and forth between the two themes and all layout assignments will remain.
I've also added a new TCP layout called "Condensed" which is my attempt at a high density layout for compact and full function TCP use.
Channel colouring in the midi colour map is much improved as well.
Dark version: https://stash.reaper.fm/theme/1520/De...ReaperThemeZip
Light version: https://stash.reaper.fm/theme/1522/De...ReaperThemeZip
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02-03-2015, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by cincikat69
FWIW, this is incorrect... If you work the code a certain way using the 'Layout' and 'EndLayout' lines and other "hacks", you can place in quite a bit more. I have been working on my V5 theme that has currently 33 TCP options (including the color choices), and still more are possible. The MCP has 112 currently (also if you include the color choices of each layout), and I'm not done there, either. You can also "stack" the PNG folders inside, with multiple layouts using the same resources, so that you can fit in much more while still keeping a minimal footprint. This way, themes load quickly and properly show all layout menu options.
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Interesting! Could you expand on how you write the layout and endlayout lines?
Also, do you refer to stacking png folders within one another? I didn't think that was possible. For example, I've been using a separate folder for every coloured fader layout, are you saying I could just put multiple folders containing the coloured faders inside each layout class folder and Walter will read more than one branch deep?
Is there a theme of yours I can inspect to see this at work? Or are they all demonstrative?
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02-03-2015, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Commala
I've also added a new TCP layout called "Condensed" which is my attempt at a high density layout for compact and full function TCP use.
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is there a screenshot of the condensed layout here:
https://stash.reaper.fm/theme/1520/De...ReaperThemeZip
thanks,
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02-03-2015, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by babag
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Not yet, I'm going to make a few new screenshots showing the changes, but for now here's a gif. It's not as smooth as White Tie's new v5 layouts, but it's alright if you want to get a lot of functionality into a compact TCP.
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02-03-2015, 04:33 PM
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nice. thanks for the gif, commala. if i had a quibble about this condensed layout, it's over something i wouldn't know how to address anyway. that would be that i'm a meter fan more than a label fan. i prefer seeing my meters larger and don't need much in the way of track name/label. the number is often enough for me. not sure how i'd alter what you have to address that. usually i like horizontal meters in the tcp. this layout seems well fit together, though, so it would be hard to suggest a change. generally, i'm good with the default theme/layout. this seems a very nice enhancement. looks very nice.
thanks again,
BabaG
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02-03-2015, 04:34 PM
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Sure...
For the color options, you only need write the code for each layout once, and place the sub/color folders after the code but before the 'EndLayout' is written. Using this method you can have each color choice feed off of the layouts code, without using a vast amount of PNGs in multiples of folders (just the color fader and/or bg image file, etc. (only what is needed), and just change which elements need to be in the code for the following layouts...a kind of domino effect. But I'm pretty sure you already know this part.
As far as the resource folders - I just looked inside your theme and I see that you have the same basic, core png files multiples of times (meters, recarm, automations, mute/solo, and so on)...you only need them once unless they are for a very specific layout. And, lets say that multiple layouts use the same color scheme/buttons/knobs/etc...just direct them to the one folder with those options instead of separate folders for each. Like the TCP and MCP layouts can use the same one if they both are black, blue, etc., or if they use the same BG or buttons/knobs among several of the same TCP/MCP layouts...that way you can minimize the number of folders inside the parent resource folder before making the ReaperThemeZip file, and that will keep the overall size smaller.
And WALTER can read sub-folders (although in a somewhat limited way). For example, if you have a matching mix channel and master channel, and you want the master to use a different color fader by default when that layout is used, you can tell WALTER to see the 'Red Fader' by placing it in its own folder inside that layouts folder (with the mcp_mainbg file), and after the layout in the code like this:
Layout 'Layout X' 'Layout X / Red Fader'
That way, when you choose 'Layout X' the red fader will take priority over the default mcp_volthumb PNG file instead of needing a whole separate folder for the red fader master.
I hope I have explained it well...if you want you can always just email me. I'm happy to help in any way I can.
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02-03-2015, 07:19 PM
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I went through and deleted a lot of unnecessary duplicate files...the total size is now under 2mb and it loads quick, and everything works and looks as it should. I also made some quick corrections in the code, like layouts that weren't pointing to the correct fader colors, and other little things. I'll send it to you, if you like. And, I hope you don't mind me digging around and making the corrections...just intending to help out. (~:
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02-04-2015, 02:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Commala
Not yet, I'm going to make a few new screenshots showing the changes, but for now here's a gif. It's not as smooth as White Tie's new v5 layouts, but it's alright if you want to get a lot of functionality into a compact TCP.
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It may not be as smooth but the ordering looks really good and I like the fact that your items are right hand edge attached (so move from the left hand end) I don't like them disapearing from the right hand end in the new theme.
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02-04-2015, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by cincikat69
I went through and deleted a lot of unnecessary duplicate files...the total size is now under 2mb and it loads quick, and everything works and looks as it should. I also made some quick corrections in the code, like layouts that weren't pointing to the correct fader colors, and other little things. I'll send it to you, if you like. And, I hope you don't mind me digging around and making the corrections...just intending to help out. (~:
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Hey, don't keep your work a secret, share!
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