Old 05-02-2012, 12:16 PM   #1
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4.23pre7 - May 2 2012
# JS: editor now top level window with icon
# JS: ctrl+up/down/left/right now do nice things in editor
# JS: left/right at start/end of lines now wrap to previous/next lines
+ JS: fixed bug where increasing track channels during playback with PDC-JS could cause dropouts
+ API: CreateNewMIDIItemInProject now takes a track parameter
+ Time signatures: added functions to rationalize time signatures
+ Time signatures: automatically rationalize time signatures when adding/removing time from project, or moving regions
+ Tempo markers: saner manual editing of tempo changes when "gradually transition tempo" is enabled
+ Crossfades: do not create auto-crossfade on one edge of an item when editing the other edge
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:18 PM   #2
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:25 PM   #3
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:25 PM   #4
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mommy? don't you mean "who's yer daddy punk?" lol, joking!

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Old 05-02-2012, 01:30 PM   #5
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+ Time signatures: added functions to rationalize time signatures
+ Time signatures: automatically rationalize time signatures when adding/removing time from project, or moving regions
+ Tempo markers: saner manual editing of tempo changes when "gradually transition tempo" is enabled
Can we have more info on this? Does this fix the weird measure behavior when using time signatures different from 4/4?
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:45 PM   #6
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Ach, wie nur kann ich bloß erziel'n,
dass ich mal wieder Freude hab,
wenn ich versuch was einzuspiel'n,
im MIDI-Modus "overdub"?

Denn wenn ich einmal Noten spiel,
bevor der Schleifenstart erreicht,
bekomm' ich derer viel zu viel,
ich denk' es ist ein Bug vielleicht.

Ist klar, dass ich das tracken ließ
als Bug (ID: vier-null-vier-sechs).
Und dann bei jedem Prerelase,
prüf ich die Changelogs im Reflex.

Doch jedes Mal bin ich enttäuscht,
es ist für mich nichts eingecheckt.
Zumindest nicht das, was ich bräucht':
ein Bugfix für den Code-Defekt.

Drum an den Cockos-Programmeur:
kannst du es arrangieren -
es ist auch sicher nicht zu schwer -
den Bug zu reparieren?

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http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=4046
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:27 AM   #7
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Ach, wie nur kann ich bloß erziel'n,
dass ich mal wieder Freude hab,
wenn ich versuch was einzuspiel'n,
im MIDI-Modus "overdub"?

Denn wenn ich einmal Noten spiel,
bevor der Schleifenstart erreicht,
bekomm' ich derer viel zu viel,
ich denk' es ist ein Bug vielleicht.

Ist klar, dass ich das tracken ließ
als Bug (ID: vier-null-vier-sechs).
Und dann bei jedem Prerelase,
prüf ich die Changelogs im Reflex.

Doch jedes Mal bin ich enttäuscht,
es ist für mich nichts eingecheckt.
Zumindest nicht das, was ich bräucht':
ein Bugfix für den Code-Defekt.

Drum an den Cockos-Programmeur:
kannst du es arrangieren -
es ist auch sicher nicht zu schwer -
den Bug zu reparieren?

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Please Cockos, look would you made me do! Have a heart, I beg you!

http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=4046
very annoying bug indeed!!!
makes time selection autopunch useless in midi overdub mode.

@paterpeter: netter reim;-)
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:11 AM   #8
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Can we have more info on this? Does this fix the weird measure behavior when using time signatures different from 4/4?
It seems reapers 's dev never work in 3/4 or 5/4. So they dont care about our long time and seriously problem.

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Old 05-03-2012, 01:29 AM   #9
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There is a way in Reaper to change tempo globally if you already have time signature/tempo markers, instead of changing tempo manually for each time signature/tempo marker ?
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:37 AM   #10
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There is a way in Reaper to change tempo globally if you already have time signature/tempo markers, instead of changing tempo manually for each time signature/tempo marker ?
Not nicely, but if you show the tempo map on the master track, then select all the points you can drag them up or down with the mouse together. Not ideal, but it's a lot faster than doing each one individually.
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Not nicely, but if you show the tempo map on the master track, then select all the points you can drag them up or down with the mouse together. Not ideal, but it's a lot faster than doing each one individually.
I figured out this one, but I wonder if there's a way to constrain the movement to exact tempos ex: 120..121...122, not 120.026 ..
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There is a way in Reaper to change tempo globally if you already have time signature/tempo markers, instead of changing tempo manually for each time signature/tempo marker ?
You can perhaps also use the play rate slider for that. But it won't be constrained to integer BPMs.
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It seems reapers 's dev never work in 3/4 or 5/4. So they dont care about our long time and seriously problem.
Yeah, it seems like that's the case


Let's not go into beautiful time signatures like 21/16...
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Old 05-03-2012, 05:43 AM   #14
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It seems reapers 's dev never work in 3/4 or 5/4. So they dont care about our long time and seriously problem.
Can you be more specific?
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Thanks! That thing killed me for years
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Yes, more info about those timesig thingies is welcome...
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Thanks! That thing killed me for years
Fantastic! Just today, this was annoying the bejesus out of me.
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I don't apply this on audio, but can insert measures with blank space, only time signature and tempo change, and I didn;t have to rewrite the arrangement.
Also notice that the Time Sig/Tempo doesn't default back to the Project Tempo, but retains the bpm last used.

Nice touch and I hope this works as well for the audio guys that try it in their arrangements.
This also is great for Orchestral Scores where I always forget a measure with TimeSig/Tempo changes.
Never perform this stuff but enjoy a good challenge on my off days.

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So, no changes related to other two problems laid out in THIS thread?



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So, no changes related to other two problems laid out in THIS thread?
This release is intended to fix (or at least start to fix) both the first and second issues, and part of the third issue. The part of the third issue that is not yet addressed is dragging tempo/time signature markers when individual tempo markers are set to "gradual transition."

I believe that many of the reported problems only exist in the first place, when "gradual transition" is set. It would be useful to focus first on time signature issues that exist when "gradual transition" is not set, if that's possible.
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+ Time signatures: added functions to rationalize time signatures
+ Time signatures: automatically rationalize time signatures when adding/removing time from project, or moving regions
+ Tempo markers: saner manual editing of tempo changes when "gradually transition tempo" is enabled
I haven't tested this yet... but even if this is premature... but thank you thank you thank you!
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+ Time signatures: automatically rationalize time signatures when adding/removing time from project, or moving regions
+ Tempo markers: saner manual editing of tempo changes when "gradually transition tempo" is enabled
Great to see this stuff getting some attention! The JS improvements are huge too but I already knew about those. 4.23 is shaping up to be a classic.

/me runs off to figure out what a rationalized time signature is.
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/me runs off to figure out what a rationalized time signature is.
It doesn't seem to fix my main problem with tempo and time signatures.

If I increase the tempo at a given point, all subsequent time/tempo markers should move to the left. If I decrease the tempo, all subsequent markers should move to the right. It fries my brain that they stay fixed where they are in time rather than moving with the tempo. Please, please, please fix it.

On a positive note though, WOOHOO GO DEVS! Don't want to sound too negative.
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If I increase the tempo at a given point, all subsequent time/tempo markers should move to the left. If I decrease the tempo, all subsequent markers should move to the right. It fries my brain that they stay fixed where they are in time rather than moving with the tempo. Please, please, please fix it.
I can think of a lot of situations where this would actually be preferred behaviour, so in my opinion this can't be something that should be 'fixed'. We need an option for both.
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If I increase the tempo at a given point, all subsequent time/tempo markers should move to the left. If I decrease the tempo, all subsequent markers should move to the right.
If you set the project timebase to beats, markers should stick to beats rather than time. (This has always been the case -- perhaps I am misunderstanding the report?)
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If you set the project timebase to beats, markers should stick to beats rather than time. (This has always been the case -- perhaps I am misunderstanding the report?)
I've been using and testing the tempo and the time-signatures in Reaper a lot, and as far as I know, this is uncorrect.
As it is, tempo-points have time-base set to time, regardless of the project-setting. This is a bug.

Correct behaviour is:
- Tempo-points should always have time-base "beat"
- Time-sigs should always have time-base "beat"

(Just dropping in from holleyday )

I have no oportunity fot testing now, but are thankful for the attention to this, and trusting you guys to get it right.

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+ Time signatures: added functions to rationalize time signatures
+ Time signatures: automatically rationalize time signatures when adding/removing time from project, or moving regions
These actions are intended to fix the situation where time is added, removed, or moved within a project. Previously this could result in time signatures that don't make sense. For example, removing one beat from the project could previously could leave behind a measure of 4/4 that is only 3 beats long. Now it should create a new measure of 3/4.
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These actions are intended to fix the situation where time is added, removed, or moved within a project. Previously this could result in time signatures that don't make sense. For example, removing one beat from the project could previously could leave behind a measure of 4/4 that is only 3 beats long. Now it should create a new measure of 3/4.
I'll try to test the beta later tonight. If this new function corrects the bug completely, it is going to be a super massive improvement. So thanks a lot for working on this one!

One question though: if I work on a project that was previously bugged out by the old behavior (so there is a weird 4/4 measure stuffed into a 3/4 long measure), what will happen? Will it be corrected? Or will this bugfix only work with actions performed after the installation of 4.23pre7?
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STOP PRESS!!!

I just found a problem [..] the same project rendered with 4.23pre2 sounds different when rendered with 4.23pre6
Seems to be fixed in 4.23pre7 - Was it this?:
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+ API: CreateNewMIDIItemInProject now takes a track parameter
Does this mean that we're getting a step closer of getting track-based items, editable simultaneously?
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