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Old 06-11-2015, 08:31 AM   #1
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Hello,

I've been using Reaper for a few weeks and registered my copy. I've got a working DAW setup. The only parts I don't yet know how to manage in reaper are:

- Editing drum patterns
- Editing sound recordings

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Old 06-11-2015, 12:50 PM   #2
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first of all
read the manual
http://www.reaper.fm/userguide.php
page 220 ff. for midiediting
page 113 ff, for editing recordings (items,Tracks)

and of course you can edit items with plugins in a wide variation.
(you have to do that when dealing with eq, comp and other effects)

For starting drums i suggest you download the MT-PowerdrumsKit
http://www.powerdrumkit.de/ and make it known by your reaper
its free and vst and au
it has some midiclips included that can be played with the pluging or dragged into reaper as midiitems for further investigation and manipulation.

[wow. i noticed i have posted in the spam-trap-department ]

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Old 06-11-2015, 05:17 PM   #3
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OK I'll do that, but concerning sound recordings I was referring to samples of my recordings, like editing samples such as in any sample editor. I used to do that in Soundforge back then but I don't have a license for it anymore.
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You can cut and paste midi in just the same way a you would samples.

And so long as you still have the vsti (MTPowerdrums or similar) in the track, the MIDI will just play the appropriate stuff at the right time & the right length.
Just like sampling.
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get idrum from izotope you can also try it free for 30 days I think

https://www.izotope.com/idrum

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Old 06-12-2015, 05:45 AM   #6
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So, what I understand from these responses is that there are no drum pattern editors as well as no sample editors in Reaper?...

I can't believe Reaper doesn't even have a drum event where you can assign percussives and do drum patterns, say like the old Cubase on Atari ST... That used to be quite practical.

So to edit samples, what do people usually do with Reaper? You have to assign an external sample editor? phiew! Not practical at all to handle my takes(!) And yes I have noticed to can arrange the takes... Don't know yet how to do everything of course but I'm used to Cubase VST, Ableton Live and the old Pro24...
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get idrum from izotope you can also try it free for 30 days I think

https://www.izotope.com/idrum
You can' t do practical midi with idrum can you? I just want to do patterns triggering midi events... The fact this is outside Reaper makes it so much more complicated for no obvious reason. Spend 50$ for editing midi drum in a software that should of came with it in the first place is not that cool.

See if Reaper had something like this specifically for the percussive where you assign all your drum events, it would make everything much more simple for pretty much everyone...

https://i.imgur.com/NhsOrPY.jpg

Or is this REAPER I'm looking for where this is if it's in there...

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Old 06-12-2015, 05:53 AM   #8
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Did you see the post above that talks about the midi editor? Or is this just some trolling?
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Old 06-12-2015, 05:55 AM   #9
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I thought I was helping with that ok seems I didn't understand the thread i'm missing some vocabulary.
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Old 06-12-2015, 06:18 AM   #10
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Did you see the post above that talks about the midi editor? Or is this just some trolling?
You are playing with me with you accusations. I want to have a drum pattern editor, inside Reaper, not very complicated. Even Cubase on the Atari ST 25+ years ago has it. Did you see the picture I just linked? Or you're too busy self gratifying and blaming me for asking help? Verify my request properly. If I have to customize a track to make it a drum pattern editor, then I want to have a step by step guide. And no the manual doesn't tell me how to access a drum pattern editor, it says how to put names on note keys.
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Old 06-12-2015, 06:36 AM   #11
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For example, if I had a drum roll editor, I could have, like a track I made last week, my hi-hats from my RX5 and the majority of my drum sounds from my XD-5, all within my drum roll. Then, you can mute several things like the bass drum or the high hats, for example. But for now how I did it is I had to have 3 midi tracks.

I don't see how Reaper can easily manage drums as it is.
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Old 06-12-2015, 06:40 AM   #12
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first of all
read the manual
http://www.reaper.fm/userguide.php
page 220 ff. for midiediting
page 113 ff, for editing recordings (items,Tracks)
First of all thank you for your arrogance. Secondly, thank you for confirming to me there are no sample editor tools in Reaper, may it be a simplistic one at that.
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Old 06-12-2015, 06:42 AM   #13
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I thought I was helping with that ok seems I didn't understand the thread i'm missing some vocabulary.
I was looking for a quick drum roll type editor, but Reaper doesn't seem to supply it. I bought my license yesterday but right now I'm facing a few of those self gratified ones that think people like me don't deserve what they pay for.
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Old 06-12-2015, 07:10 AM   #14
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Showing you the pages in the manual that you could have found yourself by being self-reliant and using the available resources... is arrogance to you?

What is arrogant is ignoring people's efforts to help you.

They've mentioned again and again - Reaper has a MIDI editor. Actually it has 2. There is a dedicated MIDI editor window and an inline MIDI editor.

MIDI editor = how you edit MIDI, and MIDI = how you program drums. So there is your answer.

Find a drumkit you like such as MT Power Drumkit (free, now) and program away or use MIDI loops such as those that come with the kit, or both (edit the loops to taste).

If you find the MIDI notes annoying in shape for percussion you can change them to triangles or diamonds in the view menu.

If you want to mute certain parts do it from the drum kit, they usually have a built in mixer.

As for editing sound - you're gonna have to be more specific about what you want. What do you want to do to the sound and we'll tell you how it can be done in Reaper. There's usually 12 ways to do anything.

Part of Reaper's draw is that it -doesn't- come with these extra niche things. A drum rompler, I'm assuming you mean something like Ultrabeat right ( http://www.creatingbreaks.com/wp-con...-Ultrabeat.png ), is an extra.

There are tons of free and paid alternatives.

Remember that Reaper is $60 for 2 whole version numbers, lightweight, and developed by a handful of people you can count on one hand. If you want a drum rompler and a soundforge-esque sample editor in your DAW, maybe Reaper isn't for you. And that is -OK-. Hell you can use more than one DAW even if you like parts of Reaper. But expecting Reaper to be like another DAW on that principle alone is flawed.

I also can't take sympathy on you buying the license before figuring these things out. There is a 60 day trial period where you could have discovered whether Reaper was right for your needs or not.

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Old 06-12-2015, 07:38 AM   #15
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This is the first, and last time I post on this forum.

Thank you.

Have a great day.
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Apparently it is the season for pillocks.....

A bit like that on GS at present, too - more than the average number of impolite people
I can never understand people asking for help and then biting the hand that offers to feed them.
I'll shut up now. Sorry to prolong the agony, but this sort of stuff really upsets me.
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Old 06-12-2015, 09:46 AM   #17
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This is the first, and last time I post on this forum.

Thank you.

Have a great day.
If you paid for a license, you kind of owe it to yourself to figure out how to use the software.

I had to look close at your picture, because it looks so much like Reaper's MIDI Editor, I thought it was just a theme I haven't seen before.

You'll need to set up custom note names for your particular drum synth/sampler, by clicking on each note and using "File->Customize Note Names->Rename Current" note. Save them when you're done. Then you've got it. Exactly what your picture shows.

To fairly easily mute a particular drum once you're in the MIDI Editor,
1) Push the Filter button
2) In this Filter window, click "Note" and "Use Piano Keys"
3) Go to the MIDI editor and click on the key for the drum you want to mute
4) Now in the Filter window, click "Set Selection"
5) In the MIDI Editor, right-click one of the selected notes and choose "Mute Events"

It might be easier to mute within the drum plugin, or if the plugin has multiple outputs, mute the corresponding output.

What are you wanting to do with samples? Reaper can cut, copy, paste, fade, crossfade, reverse, normalize, repitch, timestretch, etc. You can put your samples in ReaSamplOmatic5000 - drag and drop! - for even more versatility.

Please read the manual. It's pretty good. If you do what the manual says, Reaper will do what you say.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of Reaper videos on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9wZZ_EAWYM
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Too late - he has already Flounced in High Dudgeon (TM) (C) Ivansc 2015
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Hey! The spam trap works!
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Not entirely, but in this case I think it was the doofus detector at work.
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some people are really funny ...
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some people are really funny ...
....but not us.
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OK I'll do that, but concerning sound recordings I was referring to samples of my recordings, like editing samples such as in any sample editor. I used to do that in Soundforge back then but I don't have a license for it anymore.
You can edit sound clips inside Reaper. Go to the track where the audio is located, move your mouse to the spot where you want to make a cut, and then cut it. And you can drag the audio to wherever you want to have it. And so on and so forth.
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Drum patterns:
http://nizzei8q.bget.ru/sower/index.php
and JS MegaBabySequencer is really cool pattern editor.
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....but not us.
surely not. we are never funny. we are british!

(at least you ... me not soo much ... )
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Hello,

I've been using Reaper for a few weeks and registered my copy. I've got a working DAW setup. The only parts I don't yet know how to manage in reaper are:

- Editing drum patterns
- Editing sound recordings

Cheers
Hi,
My first post. Has Reapers built in sequencer JS Megababy been mentioned?
I have made drum sequences in Megababy. If you plan to have extremely sophisticated timing changes within the track a sequencer like this is no good but for most patterns, most users and most types of music it's fine.

insert virtual instrument> JS plugins > JS sequencer Megababy.
Then load your drum program, sample, synth whatever. Colour in the blocks for corresponding drum sounds. You should get the hang of it. play around with swing to give the performance a different feel. It's quite intuitive I found.

You can save your patterns in the daw & MIDI trigger them in the piano roll line by adding blocks for the trigger key for corresponding patterns.


Apart from that specific sequencer depending on the sophistication of the drum sequence you want you can play them in from keyboard, pads, or colour blocks in the DAW or sequencer.
Play them in by hand and you can have any timing signature changes you want; Jazz or Art Rock or Prog Rock music may change timing signatures within a track.
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This is an overview of Reaper JS Megababy (hopefully the forum rules will allow me to post this):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq2C-Qg9Hp4
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some people are really funny ...
Yeah, I think it's incredibly funny that you were kicked off the site. Justice is served
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Hello,

I've been using Reaper for a few weeks and registered my copy. I've got a working DAW setup. The only parts I don't yet know how to manage in reaper are:

- Editing drum patterns
- Editing sound recordings

Cheers
Sorry for the lack of cordiality here. I know how you must feel. Here's a video on how to build a drum machine and record a MIDI track with it in Reaper:

https://youtu.be/RJD7aNzSmO8

It's by Reaper guru Kenny Gioia. He's got lots of good tutorials and if you have Facebook you can also join his group. People are friendly there!
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Sorry for the lack of cordiality here. I know how you must feel. Here's a video on how to build a drum machine and record a MIDI track with it in Reaper:
Hm, old thread here.
Is there a policy on this site regarding the re-animation of old zombie threads?

Edit: and now I see that it's also an old thread held within the spam trap -- and it trapped/tricked me! Now how to filter "new posts" on this site to ignore posts within that sub-forum?
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This has actually turned out to be quite an entertaining zombie thread.... different folks with different outlooks commenting on old dead stuff from a flouncer who left the forums ages ago. EDIT: just out of curiosity I went and had a look at his stats and he is still here and STILL appearing to be irascible. Maybe his command of english is letting him down and making him seen obnoxious?

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Oh man, I checked most of posts here and a lot of y'all sound like Krafttwerk. I was on their http://stapico.com/ profile the other day and I think some fans want to do a sort of patry in their honour. Now some of you guys would sound perfect there
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To fairly easily mute a particular drum once you're in the MIDI Editor,
1) Push the Filter button
2) In this Filter window, click "Note" and "Use Piano Keys"
3) Go to the MIDI editor and click on the key for the drum you want to mute
4) Now in the Filter window, click "Set Selection"
5) In the MIDI Editor, right-click one of the selected notes and choose "Mute Events"
In a standard MIDI operating setup, a quick way to mute a particular voice [notes] is to right click the keynote on the Piano Roll keyboard [which selects all notes on that line] then right click an actual note on that line and mute it from the menu which mutes the other selected notes as well [except for any those notes already muted on that line, which will then become unmuted] but for most practical purposes it suffices afaic.
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This has actually turned out to be quite an entertaining zombie thread.... different folks with different outlooks commenting on old dead stuff from a flouncer who left the forums ages ago. EDIT: just out of curiosity I went and had a look at his stats and he is still here and STILL appearing to be irascible. Maybe his command of english is letting him down and making him seen obnoxious?

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Nothing to do on your retirement than fool around grabbing people's nuts?
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JM!!!!! I missed you! At least we are in the correct area for taking the piss out of each other....

How are those happy pills working for ya?
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There IS a tool for making drum beats and it works very well.....it's called, "The Drummer".
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