Ad-hoc network setup in Windows7x64?

beingmf · 01-06-2016, 11:14 AM

I'd like to set up a wireless OSC-only network for my studio computer.
Using a fast WiFi router, which is recognized by Windows as well as my phone,
I had it working (somehow) for 5 seconds when Reaper received OSC messages. But I didn't succeed in establishing a working connection nor network.

What am I doing wrong? Which details may I have overlooked?

Thanks a lot!!

beingmf · 01-07-2016, 09:40 AM

Really? Nobody?

Bümpen.

karbomusic · 01-07-2016, 09:48 AM

Are you saying you want Network A for internet whathaveyou and Network B for OSC?

beingmf · 01-07-2016, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by karbomusic

Are you saying you want Network A for internet whathaveyou and Network B for OSC?

No internet on the studio puter, just the dedicated OSC router network.

karbomusic · 01-07-2016, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by beingmf

No internet on the studio puter, just the dedicated OSC router network.

If you just want a network so the phone and computer can talk via OSC, it's just a matter of connecting both to the wireless router effectively making it an access point/switch (it doesn't need to even actually route. only switch/hub). I doubt you even need DHCP since APIPA should fix up the addresses but probably better to enable DHCP on the wireless and they should be able to talk once the computer and phone are connected to the wireless.

When you said that it worked then stopped. OSC worked then stopped or pinging each other worked then stopped?

beingmf · 01-07-2016, 10:12 AM

Ah, thanks, karbo.
I didn't ping, I only tried the OSC connection to/from Reaper.
@DHCP: doesn't OSC need a static IP address?

karbomusic · 01-07-2016, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by beingmf

Ah, thanks, karbo.
I didn't ping, I only tried the OSC connection to/from Reaper.
@DHCP: doesn't OSC need a static IP address?

It does in order to keep other protocol dependencies out of the picture so you can statically set the DAW and let the phone do DHCP since OSC doesn't initiate connections to the phone only answers correct?

beingmf · 01-07-2016, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by karbomusic

It does in order to keep other protocol dependencies out of the picture so you can statically set the DAW and let the phone do DHCP since OSC doesn't initiate connections to the phone only answers correct?

Gotta try this, thanks!

karbomusic · 01-07-2016, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by beingmf

Gotta try this, thanks!

Sure, if the Router allows (when enabling DHCP) make the DAW's static IP outside the scope of the available DHCP address pool, or give the DAW a reservation that gives it the same IP all the time; either should work.

musicbynumbers · 01-08-2016, 05:29 AM

I've just start using a lot of OSC stuff via tablets too and finding that going via my wifi router is causing quite a bit of packet loss too.

My main PC is wired lan only so I'll have to buy a card for it and then follow the steps that microsoft layout here to hopefully create a direct "ad hoc" connection and get around any router and firewall issues.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...#1TC=windows-7

these are for win 7 but I'm hoping they will still work for win 8.1 or 10

karbomusic · 01-08-2016, 07:15 AM

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I've just start using a lot of OSC stuff via tablets too and finding that going via my wifi router is causing quite a bit of packet loss too.

I wonder if OSC commands are simply flooding the network.

musicbynumbers · 01-08-2016, 09:35 AM

That could be the case

but, in the reaper listener it is only one OSC command that's being sent and the control can be super responsive for a good 20 to 30 seconds before it all crunches up and goes to sh..

It's coming out of Lemur (on port 8000 which might be an issue?) on an ipad via wifi to a wifi hub/router/switchbox then via cat5 to my pc.

The network monitor (in win 8.1 task manager) is only showing about 40kps max for that one floating point fader in lemur and the return from the computer is about 60kps.

If it was too many messages at once then I wonder if there's a way around this.

I wondering if it's not just a cheap BT wifi hub that I've not set up properly to allow certain ports through alongside my eset firewall (which I tried temp disabling to no joy)

I'll try setting up this usb wifi dongle just for this ipad and see if that works

karbomusic · 01-08-2016, 09:40 AM

A wireshark trace would tell the tale. If you ever get that deep, PM and send to me and I'll take a look.

musicbynumbers · 01-08-2016, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by karbomusic

A wireshark trace would tell the tale. If you ever get that deep, PM and send to me and I'll take a look.

Thanks

I'll see how it goes and get back to you if needed. Wireshark sounds interesting.

musicbynumbers · 01-08-2016, 11:39 AM

Just done a few tests again on the same network as before and it definitely seems to more about some kind of interruption most likely by a different computer on the network eating the wifi or my own pc pulling in more data via cat5 or something like that

When I check what's being received in task manager I can see that the 4 OSC messages I'm sending (via 2 "bouncy balls" in lemur) are taking maximum of 64kps and the fx in reaper see and sustain all 4 completely fine for quite a while (like upto 40 seconds) before there's a receive spike on my network of 96kps before going back down to 32kps at which point the plugin in reaper drops most (but not all) if the OSC messages. A few seconds later all is fine again for a random amount of time (normally over 10 seconds minimum)

When testing this I turned off chrome etc but maybe it's something else like gdrive or dropbox or hangouts but...

really.. freezing up at only 64kps of data?

seems like it's more about a complete interruption somewhere else at the hub.

I'm going to go into the hub and see if there's anything there that might help.

If anyone has any ideas in the mean time?

musicbynumbers · 01-08-2016, 01:05 PM

Ok

so I tried setting up a usb wifi ad hoc connection and followed the instructions here http://tipsandtricksforum.com/thread-210.html which seemed to work fine.

I then got to the point where I thought "I'll go and change the ip address inside of reaper to the one assigned to the ad hoc wifi connection" and.. you can't change it in reaper! argh!

Am I going about this the wrong way?

I thought I should be able to keep my internet connection on the wired network and have a dedicated usb wifi dongle on it's own IP solely for connecting up the ipad to reaper.

Or should I be "merging" the wifi connection into the wired network connection so that they both work on the same address?

Any ideas?