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04-04-2010, 03:12 AM
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Human being with feelings
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What plug-ins are always on your Lead Vocal?
Do you have any favorites or plug-ins that are basically your "go-to" plugs for vocals?
Ive got a deep bag o' plugs and all that but I'd like to hear from some others as far as whats a standard course for them when approaching vocals and plug-ins.
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04-04-2010, 03:46 AM
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Human being with feelings
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In nine times out of ten I use the following on the LEAD-vocals:
-> ReaComp
-> ReaEQ (yes, post-compression)
-> ReaDelay
And even though it's not perhaps an FX, I think it's worth mentioning that I always dub lead vocals at least once. Always. Even if I'm not necessarily going to use it in the final production.
On chorus/back-up vocals, usually from nine voices and up, I send them all (unprocessed) to a folder track on which I first BandPass [ReaEQ] quite a bit and then compress [ReaComp] the hell out of it all. I usually like the chorus/backing vocals dry, but some times I throw a Chorus [Classic; Kjaerhus Audio] or (Rea)delay on it.
If you'd like to hear some examples, check my "Hellvalla Burn II"-link in my signature.
As one can see, 90% Cockos stuff — until the day Cockos will come up with a decent ReaChorus, ReaMod or whatever, that will be my setup.
And I DO NOT use JS!
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04-04-2010, 04:05 AM
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+1 on post compression EQ.
sometimes I go:
EQ>the rocket>EQ>readelay
and for fancy vintage sounds:
Pro-Q>ReaVerb>SSL LMC-1>Pro-Q
and of course, the briscotti(sp?) verb IR's
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04-04-2010, 06:03 AM
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CamelCrusher...
ALWAYS
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04-04-2010, 06:19 AM
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bass cut with reaeq, crush with blockfish vst, delay with floaty (~90ms, low feedback)
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04-04-2010, 07:49 AM
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I cheat and use GSnap, but not drastically. Just enough to keep the odd wobble from falling off the tracks.
Does this make me a bad person?
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04-04-2010, 08:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pattonfreak1
CamelCrusher...
ALWAYS
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+1 on camelcrusher but not just on vox... i use it just about everywhere
What i usually do on lead vox is
Eq ( cuts ) Comp , Eq Boost (1973), De-esser
I might put the camelcrucher at the begining of the chain or at the end... i just go for what sounds best and i might also throw in a limiter before the comp if i feel the song calls for a in our face type of sound and i always, ALWAYS, parallel compress the lead vox
Delay + Reverb but there is so many variables it's hard to say
-Alxi
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04-04-2010, 09:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Valle
In nine times out of ten I use the following on the LEAD-vocals:
And I DO NOT use JS!
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Why not JS? Ain't good enough?
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04-04-2010, 09:42 AM
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Human being with feelings
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My setup for vocals is mostly this chain:
UAD Cambridge -> UAD 1176 and sometimes a deesser. There I choose mostly the Spitfish.
All vocals go to a vocal-bus with the UAD Fairchild inserted.
As send effect for ambience, room or hall I use the SIR 2 with a good impulse or the UAD Plate EMT 140.
PS: Sometimes is on the vocal-bus a stereo widener, like the psp one.
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04-04-2010, 09:51 AM
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Send to buss with CSR
Send to Chorus / Delay buss
Add limitting.
thasssssit.
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04-04-2010, 10:08 AM
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Mine go:
GT Electronics AM 11
Toneport UX8
Melodyne
PodFarm with "Vintage UK" preamp, built in compressor, built in EQ, and built in reverb. Sometimes I throw the Analog Delay on it. That sounds great, get's kinda lo fi with each repeat and sits real well.
It's been my best setup yet, but I must admit the vocals are still not as good as I wish they were. I'm thinking a better mic in the future.
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04-04-2010, 10:54 AM
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1. UAD Cambridge for corrective EQ, if necessary
2. UAD 1176LN for light limiting
3. UAD LA-2A for main compression
and lastly, either:
4a. UAD Neve 31102 for colored EQ
or...
4b. UAD SSL 4K Channel Strip for a bit more compression, if necessary, and EQ
Last edited by No Left Turn; 04-04-2010 at 11:07 AM.
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04-04-2010, 11:24 AM
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Human being with feelings
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ReaEQ before and after compression, ReaComp (sometimes two instances, one to catch peaks and one to control the loudness of the performance) and nonlinear (Liteon's JS fx).
And then I send it too one or two reverb busses (room and hall(ish)), many times to a ping pong delay as well and to a "dirtbox" track - usually distort/fuzz with some drastic eq on it and then through ADT to stereoize it.
That's about it
Regards,
- Jonas
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04-04-2010, 11:29 AM
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Voxformer,
Melodyne,
possibly an extra reacomp if I want more control.
Kind regards
Dave Rich
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04-04-2010, 02:17 PM
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04-04-2010, 02:26 PM
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More often than not, CMX.
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04-04-2010, 02:27 PM
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Izotope Alloy.
Hands down the best channel strip I have ever used.
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04-04-2010, 02:40 PM
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Low-cut filter/eq and compression. Just enough 'verb to make it shine.
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04-04-2010, 03:32 PM
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this thread would be much more useful with audio examples. i'm not really a singer so.......(cop out).
each of you have 24 hours to add an audio example to your original post.
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04-04-2010, 03:54 PM
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04-04-2010, 04:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lokasenna
I cheat and use GSnap, but not drastically. Just enough to keep the odd wobble from falling off the tracks.
Does this make me a bad person?
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^^^^^^^^CHEATER!!^^^^^^^^^
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04-04-2010, 04:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brainwreck
this thread would be much more useful with audio examples. i'm not really a singer so.......(cop out).
each of you have 24 hours to add an audio example to your original post.
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example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YYN7HvKZJw
that's the chain i posted, double tracked. might be a tiny bit of ADT vst on there as well.
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04-04-2010, 04:54 PM
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now we're getting somewhere.
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04-04-2010, 09:41 PM
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Oh cool! Glad I got a full cup of coffee, theres a lot to read here! Nice!
Thanks so much. Ive been doing instrumental guitar recordings at home long enough that Im just out-of-touch with recording vocals ~ youre guys info will help a lot.
If you can, reply to these questions.
The IK Opto Compressor - I have T-Racks Deluxe. Do you have individual IK plug ins? Thatd be cool. T-Racks is the biggest VST beast I have I think and it really doesnt like a few instances of itself in a project. Having the individual effects from T-Racks Deluxe in VST form would be good. I too, really like the Opto. But Im finding that the T-Racks Compressor, the yellow one, might be the best around. Dunno.
GSnap - Ok, I can barely tell the thing is on when I have it on. Dont tell me im singing THAT much on pitch that it doesnt need to correct me, I highly doubt that, haha. I should do more research on it but a SUBTLE pitch corrector like that shouldnt make you or me feel TOO much like a cheater, haha. I just cant seem to get it to really work. It seems extremely subtle, if it works at all.
Izotope Alloy guy - What presets do you like to start with and what effect modules do you always find yourself using from Alloy within that Preset? Like, the exciter, dynamics, etc...
JS Effects - What? Do they suck-butt or something? They seem lower quality perhaps but, dunno...maybe theyre real low grade. Dunno.
Voxengo Voxformer - Really? Ive heard this before but, I think I just need to know how to use it better. Ive messed around with it but not much luck. What should I be looking for?
I might find some more questions in there, but for now, thanks a lot for the advice!
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04-04-2010, 10:28 PM
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There's no inherent quality problem with js effects - they're 64 bit internally. Doing GUIs for them is very hard work though and its impractical to do large or complex fx with them. The main problem is the GUI thing though, some are a bit tricky to use.
There's a heap of crap ones in there, but I would say about 20 or so of the included js fx are absolute classics. The liteon effects alone are full of secret weapons.
Not many good modulation effects in there though, apart from maybe ozzifier
I'd strongly suggest to everyone that they spend an hour going through and just adding each effect to a drum track one at a time, just to see how many awesome processors are in there.
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04-05-2010, 01:35 AM
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UAD Pultec Pro
UAD 1176LN
UAD Precision Limiter
Yes probably overkill with the limiter, but my voice is kind of puny and it needs all the assistance it can get
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...songID=7608373
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04-05-2010, 02:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sightlessness
Why not JS?
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Because!
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04-05-2010, 04:00 AM
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Always:
IIEQ Pro (DDMF)
Major Tom (Stillwell)
Optionally:
Smash Pro (Jeroen Breebaart)
Spitfish (Fishfillets)
Classic Delay (Kjaerhus)
CMX (Schwa)
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04-05-2010, 05:24 AM
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I try not to ever add anything to a track before listening to it, a little too close to salting the soup before tasting it.
That said, my go to tools usually go in this order as needed:
Nebula for console emulation
Compressor (which one I use could vary a lot)
Nebula R2R program chain
Nebula EQ
Spitfish
Elephant Clipper (to catch stray transients, I try to avoid it with my gain staging but sometimes you need it)
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04-05-2010, 05:38 AM
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[QUOTE=ngarjuna;484550]I try not to ever add anything to a track before listening to it, a little too close to salting the soup before tasting it.
Yes, you´re absolutly right! First have a good recording chain -> a good microphone and a decent pre and AD!
But when I mix I start mostly with the chain mentioned above.
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04-05-2010, 09:13 AM
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Ahh, then you guys will laugh at my analogy:
"Never record with reverb on cuz its like cooking with salt"
Once its in there, its in there.
Needless to say, just the other day I recorded a "keeper" lead vocal track and somehow must have bumped up the 'verb send cuz I oversalted that shit.
:/
Sigh, first attempt to curtail the tail, every pun intended, of the reverb was to put a Noise Reducer on it to try and hush that reverb on that vocal track. It worked....a lil'. Ummm, anyone reading got an idea to quell "recorded verb"? Probably not, I know. It was a keeper, I tell ya!! :P
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04-05-2010, 12:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cricket
Ahh, then you guys will laugh at my analogy:
"Never record with reverb on cuz its like cooking with salt"
Once its in there, its in there.
Needless to say, just the other day I recorded a "keeper" lead vocal track and somehow must have bumped up the 'verb send cuz I oversalted that shit.
:/
Sigh, first attempt to curtail the tail, every pun intended, of the reverb was to put a Noise Reducer on it to try and hush that reverb on that vocal track. It worked....a lil'. Ummm, anyone reading got an idea to quell "recorded verb"? Probably not, I know. It was a keeper, I tell ya!! :P
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Try using ReaGate.
Kind regards
Dave Rich
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04-05-2010, 02:18 PM
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- ReaEQ
- FabFilter Pro-C ( http://www.fabfilter.com/download/) -really kickin' ass compressor!
- Waves RDe-esser
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04-05-2010, 02:54 PM
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If you have to EQ vocals, either your mic is not positioned correctly, or you don't have the right mic.
Just my 2 cts.
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04-05-2010, 03:39 PM
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my vocal chain - in the spirit of Neves answer:
Tom Jones (in a world famous live room)
expensive mic
expensive console
best control room ever
hit "record".
stop.
feel smug.
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just playing neve, know where you're coming from..
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04-05-2010, 03:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neve
If you have to EQ vocals, either your mic is not positioned correctly, or you don't have the right mic.
Just my 2 cts.
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What about countering proximity effect? Or if your singer has a dark sounding voice and needs a boost to cut through a mix?
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04-05-2010, 03:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dub3000
What about countering proximity effect? Or if your singer has a dark sounding voice and needs a boost to cut through a mix?
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Exactly, I've got a 1960's U67 among other great mics,great pre's(Neve,UA etc),Apogee converters and record amazing singers and ALWAYS use some EQ.
MC
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04-05-2010, 04:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenK-msx
Tom Jones (in a world famous live room)
expensive mic
expensive console
best control room ever
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Tom Jones (in a world famous live room) <South Eastern Whales
expensive mic <SM58
expensive console <Sound Workshop Model 1280-B
best control room ever <Tom Rigg's first world class studio design complete with real stone walls.
Last edited by Tod; 04-05-2010 at 04:20 PM.
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04-05-2010, 04:52 PM
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Human being with feelings
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tod
Tom Jones (in a world famous live room) <South Eastern Whales
expensive mic <SM58
expensive console <Sound Workshop Model 1280-B
best control room ever <Tom Rigg's first world class studio design complete with real stone walls.
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thanks for the detail! indeed Tod i'm sure he'd would sound pretty good through most mics but i was aiming for that 'do nothing' optimum chain!
and hey myself and Tom are from 'Wales' no H.
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04-05-2010, 05:15 PM
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Human being with feelings
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Fabfilter Pro-c!!
Sometimes follwed by The Rocket.
My Eq used to be IIEQ Pro which I really like, but lately it's caused some nasty crashes in Reaper, not sure why (don't know if it has to do with the recently updated GUI). I can't use anything that causes crashes so my new go to is ReaEQ which seems to do the job just as well as the IIEQ only without the crashes.
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