Folder tracks with VCA function

[juanma2889@hotmail.com]

Is possible to use folder tracks but, at the same time, indicating that Master folder track is the VCA Master and all the subtracts within the folder the VCA slaves???. I think that, with this approach one can have the best of all worlds, am I wrong?.
Just to be clear, I´m nor adding an additional track with VCA functionality. I am opening the grouping matrix and indicating that all parent folder tracks are VCA masters of their child tracks.

Thanks for your help!

[solger]

Originally Posted by juanma2889@hotmail.com

Is possible to use folder tracks but, at the same time, indicating that Master folder track is the VCA Master and all the subtracts within the folder the VCA slaves???

Yes.

More info in the User Guide: http://www.reaper.fm/userguide.php
- chapter 5.15 Track and Track Parameter Grouping
- chapter 5.17 VCA Grouping

[amagalma]

Not currently possible.. You will be applying the same gain two times

[solger]

Originally Posted by amagalma

Not currently possible.. You will be applying the same gain two times

Ah, thanks, forgot about the gain.

[juanma2889@hotmail.com]

Originally Posted by amagalma

Not currently possible.. You will be applying the same gain two times

Could you help me understand why?
What would be the alternative?. I like to use folders because it keeps everything well organised but I don't want to decrease the level of the parent fader and not to decrease the level of the sends.

[juanma2889@hotmail.com]

Maybe to keep the parent folder track at 0db and to add a new VCA track (master) only to control level of the child tracks (slave)?.
In the example included in the manual the additional VCA track (master) is linked to the parent folder track (slave). In this situation I thing the problem related with send levels of the child tracks is not solved ¿?. That´s what I think is better to link the VCA track to child tracks. Am I right?

[planetnine]

That would work, using the folder parent as the buss and the separate VCA track fader as the control.

I'd like to see VCA functionality on aux sends so the folder parent could be also a VCA master to its child track's post-fade sends (sends but not track fader). Parent fader controls folder output and also child FX sends -sorted!



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[juanma2889@hotmail.com]

Originally Posted by planetnine

That would work, using the folder parent as the buss and the separate VCA track fader as the control.

I'd like to see VCA functionality on aux sends so the folder parent could be also a VCA master to its child track's post-fade sends (sends but not track fader). Parent fader controls folder output and also child FX sends -sorted!



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The VCA fader should control the parent or its childs?

[planetnine]

Originally Posted by juanma2889@hotmail.com

The VCA fader should control the parent or its childs?

The children -so their post-fade sends follow the VCA gain adjustment.

If the children's post-fade sends themselves could be VCA slaves (sends instead of track faders), the folder parent could also be the VCA master, a much tidier solution...




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[juanma2889@hotmail.com]

OK, perfect, thanks!!

[ericzang]

So far this seems to be working out well:



"all" is a folder track containing all tracks to the right, until the FX tracks. The "Send" tracks' Parent Send should be unchecked. They do not have to be inside the folder. The folder behaves as normal, except now with the "send" tracks as its vca slaves, the sends are reduced along with the output of the folder.

This arrangement is helpful when for example there is a level dependent effect in the folder (compressor, distortion, etc). The output of the tracks can be adjusted without changing the level going into those fx.

[bFooz]

This is very good idea!

[skippertag]

Originally Posted by ericzang

So far this seems to be working out well:



"all" is a folder track containing all tracks to the right, until the FX tracks. The "Send" tracks' Parent Send should be unchecked. They do not have to be inside the folder. The folder behaves as normal, except now with the "send" tracks as its vca slaves, the sends are reduced along with the output of the folder.

This arrangement is helpful when for example there is a level dependent effect in the folder (compressor, distortion, etc). The output of the tracks can be adjusted without changing the level going into those fx.

Hey Thanks for the idea but I think that doesn't get us any further than this:

Actually this produces the same output as the following setup:

FOLDER
-VCA-MASTER-TRACK to control all Childs
-Childs (VCA-Slaves)

This make the extra Send-VCA-Slave tracks obsolete.

[Eddy]

I like folders as they are and have no need at all to bus tracks to another track. Nor do i ever use the mixer. I like that Reaper is not trying to mimic old console based workflows. If Reaper adds this VCA folder functionality as an option that is good. If folders were to change and I lost backward compatibility then I would switch to another DAW.

Of course if VCA functionality did not interfere with existing folder functionality unless used then that would be fine