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06-20-2016, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Thalamus
I think we're maybe talking about different things here - this is not the 'ramp in/out' part, the subtle changes are made in the entire envelope area before and after the time selection.
To be clear. If the parameter is at zero prior to the selected area and I then write +36db of EQ boost to the envelope within the selected area, I will also now see non-zero values outside of the time selection area.
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I haven't seen that. Can you LICEcap it?
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06-20-2016, 11:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thalamus
I think we're maybe talking about different things here - this is not the 'ramp in/out' part, the subtle changes are made in the entire envelope area before and after the time selection.
To be clear. If the parameter is at zero prior to the selected area and I then write +36db of EQ boost to the envelope within the selected area, I will also now see non-zero values outside of the time selection area.
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I had something like this using TDR Nova even just in Latch mode. I was using 'add envelopes when I touch them in a writing mode' switched ON.
I had a setting going over a larger area in Latch, wrote it to the time selection with the actively-writing action.
The gain on the bands I'd changed, some with a threshold activated, were now non-zero to the right of the time selection, and I mean well beyond the automation return time. That was set to 100ms.
So there's something funny going on there, and I'll be sure to document this the next time I see it.
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06-21-2016, 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro
I haven't seen that. Can you LICEcap it?
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Sure here:
(Note that I have engaged the latch-preview mode at the start of the licecap)
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06-21-2016, 05:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thalamus
Sure here:
(Note that I have engaged the latch-preview mode at the start of the licecap)
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Thanks for the LICECap, now I get it. Confirmed here!
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06-21-2016, 11:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro
Thanks for the LICECap, now I get it. Confirmed here!
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Confirmed.
I also had this happening randomly with volumerides yesterday during a mix.
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06-23-2016, 01:21 AM
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Any of the Devs got eyes on the above issue?
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06-23-2016, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro
Why? The current behavior makes more sense to me but I'd like to know your reasons.
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Hey man,
I think it should be the way I pictured, because it allows you to line up the time selection start and end points with precise musical points. As you see in my example, it takes the guess-work out of knowing where the envelope is going to finish.
Sure, it's not hard to tweak it for one envelope, but not when you've changed a few parameters.
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06-23-2016, 03:44 AM
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Not sure I can agree... if I have a time selection, that means I want to fix the envelope for that whole particular area... so the return should happen after time selection end, logically...
I do agree that we should have separate return times for start and for end of latch/touch operations, though.
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06-23-2016, 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilDragon
Not sure I can agree... if I have a time selection, that means I want to fix the envelope for that whole particular area
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Yes, but don't you want to set it to the exact point you want it to change back?
In my example, I don't want my changed settings to affect the next word.
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Originally Posted by EvilDragon
I do agree that we should have separate return times for start and for end of latch/touch operations, though.
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I didn't say that hehe
What I said what that there should be options for the 'ramp' to be inside or outside the time selection.
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06-23-2016, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by daxliniere
Yes, but don't you want to set it to the exact point you want it to change back?
In my example, I don't want my changed settings to affect the next word.
I didn't say that hehe
What I said what that there should be options for the 'ramp' to be inside or outside the time selection.
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Yes, absolutely.
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06-23-2016, 05:58 AM
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Yes, but don't you want to set it to the exact point you want it to change back?
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I would then make the time selection so that it's not RIGHT before the next word...
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06-23-2016, 06:42 AM
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While I still think the ramp should be post time selection I can see a situation where it could be counterproductive: setting a time selection right on grid. I've found myself in this situation when moving envelope segments. If I'm doing this on a kick drum that's hitting right on the beat and I set a time selection let's say from bar 2 to bar 4, the ramp at the end of the time selection affects the next kick drum hit (and I hate that). So yes, I think I'll just agree with daxliniere and Thalamus here. Having the ramp out within the time selection would not affect my workflow anyways (quite the opposite).
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06-23-2016, 10:14 AM
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And I need to be sure the time selection is affected completely.
To quote Batman: "To the Optionmobil !!"
Two checkboxes and two time measurements in milliseconds. One for each end to configure INSIDE or OUTSIDE(outside being the default thank you), and a ramp time each. Simple huh.
It's simple for us to wish for. GUI work is tedious, so it might take a little while, if Justin agrees.
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06-25-2016, 08:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
@Nicholas , in the manual you should provide details on how familiar operations from other places operate in Reaper. There are always differences, and it's a good thing to show people how those familiar things can be achieved in Reaper. People can build and modify their workflows from there.
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Thanks for the post. I've PM'd you so as to not derail these threads.
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07-01-2016, 03:03 AM
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Bump!
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07-01-2016, 03:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thalamus
It seems that, when writing the 'previewed' values to the time selection, that a small proportion of the written value is also applied to the envelope prior to, and after the selection.
This is what I am doing.
1) be in auto read mode with ReaEQ instantiated the the track.
2) define a time selection.
3) loop the time selection.
4) engage Auto Latch Preview.
5) grab, say, band 3 bell and ramp it way up to +36db or so.
6) perform 'Automation: Write current values for actively-writing envelopes to time selection'
7) perform 'Global automation override: All automation in read mode'
8) perform 'Global automation override: No override (set automation modes per track)
Observe that the +36db boost is written to the envelope in the time selection as expected. But also a small bump in the EQ band has also been written to the envelope prior to, and after the time selection.
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Bump.. quite a nasty problem, imo.
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07-01-2016, 06:37 AM
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Thalamus, what do your automation preferences look like ?
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07-04-2016, 12:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airon
Thalamus, what do your automation preferences look like ?
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