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01-09-2011, 02:42 PM
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Mic for recording Violin and Cello
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01-09-2011, 02:44 PM
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Beyer m160.
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01-09-2011, 03:18 PM
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AKG 451 or 460.
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01-09-2011, 05:24 PM
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Also AKG 414, Neuamann U87 (kinda expensive), KM184 or TLM 103.
Or like Dannii said, AKG 451.
Another option if your on a budget would be a Shure SM81.
I've used all these mics before on Violin with great results.
Last edited by WyattRice; 01-09-2011 at 05:38 PM.
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01-10-2011, 08:55 AM
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I am a violinist. I started writing and recording music in 1996. Here is my microphone history:
ElectroVoice N/D767a into a Fostex 4 Track.
ATM 35, cause I used it live and it sounded better than the EV for recording.
Earthworks SRO: intro to omni (wow) and I couldn't afford higher end Earthworks.
OktavaMod MK-012 with the omni capsule: After extensive research and testing.
http://www.oktavamodshop.com/product...products_id=54
Rules of thumb for me: I like a close mic sound. Small diaphragm omni works best for this (by works I mean, the recording sounds as close to the real thing as you can get). I record in mono for solo and stereo for ensemble. The mic pre is important. Characterless is better, there is enough "character" in the instrument.
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01-12-2011, 10:13 AM
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Royer SF12 through an AEA TRP pre.
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02-19-2015, 08:10 PM
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Kinda but...
So generally, condenser mics are the way to go?
(I ask because a family member ov mine actually asked me to help record some cello so I'm sniffing around for any good leads)
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02-20-2015, 12:11 AM
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if you want a superb performance AND recording mic
performance
DPA 4099 Cello
DPA 4099 Violin
recording/performance
DPA 2011A
DPA 4006A
DPA 4011A
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Neumann KM184
Microtech Gefell M221, M950
Audio-Technica AT 2031
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The only dynamic mics that could make the job I know are
Beyerdynamic M201TG or M160, make sure you have good preamps
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Good budget mics are Rode M3 and/or Shure PG81-XLR for this purpose
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I prefer DPA 4011A and/or Microtech Gefell M300
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02-20-2015, 03:30 AM
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Shure KSM44 turned out very nice on a string trio lately!
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02-20-2015, 04:46 AM
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It all depends on the role the instrument will play and the room it is recorded in.
Solo instrument in a chamber setting? Ensemble piece? Close mic to fit in busy mix?
If you are recording a stringed instrument in a nice room, and it is to be featured prominently, I would tend to look at a blumlien pair of ribbons.
If you are recording an ensemble in a nice room I would use either the same as above or maybe a spaced pair of omnis.
For close micing I would likely use a single ribbon or small diameter condenser, depending on the tonal character you are looking to capture
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02-20-2015, 04:55 AM
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seedmuse wrote he likes a closed mic sound. I'm the contrary - but it probably depends so much on the musical context. So: wouldn't a closed mic'd violin rather be called "fiddle" then?
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02-20-2015, 02:19 PM
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03-19-2015, 09:28 PM
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If you're looking for something not so expensive but still with VERY GOOD sound quality (much better than the price suggests!):
Line Audio CM3, 110,- EUR + vat ( http://www.nohypeaudio.com/lineaudioproducts.htm)
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03-21-2015, 03:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SonicAxiom
Line Audio CM3, 110,- EUR + vat
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I would invest a little more and get an AKG C3000 instead, which is a pretty good alrounder for acoustic instruments.
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03-21-2015, 04:16 PM
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I got better results with my AKG Solidtubes as with KM184 on strings.
However if I use the latter I use it together with a ribbon, so I get the acoustic body of the instrument. Classical violinists prefer it this way.
In a good acoustic hall a DPA 4006 and a distance at least 2m make a wonderful soft and full sounding violin.
Not to forget key factors:
- a good violinist
- a good instrument
- a good acoustic room
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03-23-2015, 08:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerider
I looking for a good mic to record Cellos and Violins with. Any suggestions ?
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Shure SM81
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03-23-2015, 09:12 AM
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The fact that you got 26 suggestions should tell you something. There are many great mics out there. Placement and room sound are probably the most important elements for recording acoustic instruments. You'll get great results from all of the suggested mics as long as you record it in a good sounding room and place the mics properly.
Here's a 27th suggestion: Cascade Fathead II ribbon mics, set up in M/S in front of the group. You might need a spot mic on the cello or viola, depending on the balance you get from the pair.
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04-03-2016, 04:04 AM
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recording the violin
Hi guys, greetings to all (my first time here).
First, great forum, lots of good info.
Second, I'm a session violinist, so I record the violin all the time.
Lots of good suggestions here, so, my two cents; here goes:
(update: lots mention tonal quality of the mic, I say, tonal quality of the player first!!) :-)
As mentioned below, the DPA 4099v is excellent. Low noise, close to not so close depending on how you position it, made for the violin, used by pros everywhere. (yes, I have and use one daily, always fits in the mix)
(Rode M3, NT1-A, cheap(er) but very useable, also mentioned below... )
But what has not been so clear is, to my mind, the most important:
................. a violinist!......................
Especially one who knows how to record the violin (no, this is not an advert for myself).
I have been recorded in top studios by top engineers and the violin has, to my ears, sounded horrible - just because the engineer had no idea of how to record a violin, or what to ask of the violinist for THAT piece of music, style, had no idea of how a real violin should sound etc....
So, if you wish to record the violin well, get: (in order of importance, imo)
1)A really good violinist.
2) Someone (violinist) who knows how to record a violin (gate, eq, compression etc, and knows how to use the mic available or brings own)
3) Someone who knows how a violin should sound (violinist?)
4) Know what sound YOU wish to have in your mix, if any, and ask the violinist to get as close to that as possible... the violin can make hugely different sounds...
There ya go...you all know what they say, crap in, crap out... the best mic in the world will not save a poor violinist :-)
cheers,.... :-)
#theviolinist #sessionviolinist https://williamstewartviolin.wordpre...ion-violinist/
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04-04-2016, 02:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theviolinist
Hi guys, greetings to all (my first time here).
First, great forum, lots of good info.
Second, I'm a session violinist, so I record the violin all the time.
Lots of good suggestions here, so, my two cents; here goes:
(update: lots mention tonal quality of the mic, I say, tonal quality of the player first!!) :-)
As mentioned below, the DPA 4099v is excellent. Low noise, close to not so close depending on how you position it, made for the violin, used by pros everywhere. (yes, I have and use one daily, always fits in the mix)
(Rode M3, NT1-A, cheap(er) but very useable, also mentioned below... )
But what has not been so clear is, to my mind, the most important:
................. a violinist!......................
Especially one who knows how to record the violin (no, this is not an advert for myself).
I have been recorded in top studios by top engineers and the violin has, to my ears, sounded horrible - just because the engineer had no idea of how to record a violin, or what to ask of the violinist for THAT piece of music, style, had no idea of how a real violin should sound etc....
So, if you wish to record the violin well, get: (in order of importance, imo)
1)A really good violinist.
2) Someone (violinist) who knows how to record a violin (gate, eq, compression etc, and knows how to use the mic available or brings own)
3) Someone who knows how a violin should sound (violinist?)
4) Know what sound YOU wish to have in your mix, if any, and ask the violinist to get as close to that as possible... the violin can make hugely different sounds...
There ya go...you all know what they say, crap in, crap out... the best mic in the world will not save a poor violinist :-)
cheers,.... :-)
#theviolinist #sessionviolinist https://williamstewartviolin.wordpre...ion-violinist/
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Excellent post and I checked your website so I heard excellent playing. For some reason I thought of these guys that you might appreciate:
http://www.sheelanagig.co.uk/
I am not sure how it was recorded but the live sound is good to my ears.
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04-04-2016, 02:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martifingers
Excellent post and I checked your website so I heard excellent playing. For some reason I thought of these guys that you might appreciate:
http://www.sheelanagig.co.uk/
I am not sure how it was recorded but the live sound is good to my ears.
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Yes, he actually just repeated my post a kind of. I guess my English must be very bad so that even he was not able to read it, haha.
I on the other hand had a privilege to record some great violinists (sorry to be honest, but he does not sound so well).
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04-04-2016, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicAxiom
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I second this for low cost, hi quality, clean, detailed and neutral sound.
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04-04-2016, 06:37 PM
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nice one
Ja, just a wee "nice one" to see some movement on the violin... normally tis not sooooo popular (of course) :-)
ja, thanks martifingers, I heard them already... cool! :-)
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04-04-2016, 11:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theviolinist
Hi guys, greetings to all (my first time here).
First, great forum, lots of good info.
Second, I'm a session violinist, so I record the violin all the time.
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Welcome to Reaper-land
Thanks for your input!
And I'd love to use you in a production one day.
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04-06-2016, 07:49 AM
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thanks!
er, ya, thanks! :-) oui, i know it can all get very technical sometimes, just wanted to put a few simple ideas for the guy looking to record his violin :-)
ja, if you need any work, just look me up... here a short demo of some different styles... recorded with the DPA 4099v... (I actually did most of this work on a laptop in a caravan in the south of france on holiday!!) (with the DPA and Focusrite, of course! lol!!) https://youtu.be/XCkm2Mw1ms0
keep the faith! :-)
ps, spring is coming to Norway, I hear! :-)
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04-06-2016, 09:30 AM
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Good sounding.
Yeah, snow is finally giving way to grass and flowers
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04-06-2016, 07:08 PM
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well, then :-)
for you.. :-) https://youtu.be/oq0JpiWh1j0
this was recorded with the DPA 4099v.. an example of what one can do with such a mic... :-)
er, ja, like I said, I was invited to perform at TEDx, Ethiopia, so I took my laptop, DPA and Focusrite.. :-) made some music in the "waiting" time..
:-)
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04-07-2016, 02:40 AM
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That's a terrific sound, thanks.
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04-07-2016, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by theviolinist
for you.. :-) https://youtu.be/oq0JpiWh1j0
this was recorded with the DPA 4099v.. an example of what one can do with such a mic... :-)
er, ja, like I said, I was invited to perform at TEDx, Ethiopia, so I took my laptop, DPA and Focusrite.. :-) made some music in the "waiting" time..
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Lovely music
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04-07-2016, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by G-Sun
Lovely music
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Confirmed
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