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Old 12-23-2009, 07:39 AM   #1
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Default Mackie Control now with plugin control ;-) And with Action-Mode.

Attention: I have released a new version in the meantime. You can find it in this thread: http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.p...242#post758242

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Old 12-23-2009, 08:20 AM   #2
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Fantastic work !!!

Off to download.

Thanks for the early Christmas present.
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Merry Xmas Klinke.

What a present. I hope I have the brains to use this well, after all the effort you put in.

Thank you.
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Old 12-23-2009, 08:57 AM   #4
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OMG...
A quantum leap forward!
Thank you so much!
I can't wait to try this.
This is awesome!
I wonder if I can add another ! ?

(Below is not meant as a thread stealer, if you have questions for me, pm me directly or start a new thread.)
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I will edit my BCR2k mackie preset to reflect as many of these changes as I can and will post back here when it is ready.
I will also, incorporate as many of these changes as I can into the keyboard to mackie emulator (yet to be named, yet to be released).
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Old 12-25-2009, 01:12 PM   #5
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a) I was a little bit in hurry when i posted the thread start message, so i forgot to thank:

- Chris (cdoerman) for his Overlay (see section 8), parameter maps (e.g. take a look at the hugh Pod Farm map, it's an amazing work) and great help while beta-testing
- Ryan (yagonnawantthatcowbell) for a hugh contribution of parameter maps
- Miquel (anticlick), Alison and JosMuysers for beta-testing
- Justin for the improved Reaper API (and Reaper in general ;-))
- Jules for the great JUCE library

b) i'm offline till 5.January, so don't be angry when you get no answers on posts/messages/emails from me till then.

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Hi,
thanks to all for their work.

Can someone explain to me if this will work
with 3 bcf2000's?
Will i be able to control fx parameters and sends ?
thanks.
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Old 12-26-2009, 07:27 AM   #7
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Forgive my ignorance, Where do I install it to? Thanks, Ed
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Old 12-27-2009, 01:41 PM   #8
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Ed, you're going to want to paste the csurf dll in the reaper plugins folder. Then start reaper, head to preferences -> control surface and add new. If you've put the csurf dll in the correct folder you'll see it in the drop down menu.
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Old 12-27-2009, 08:32 PM   #9
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I have followed the directions, and I do see the csurf dll, but when I try to map I can't get any parameters to show up (I'm unable to map), would someone help me out? Also is there a way to import the presets?
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Old 12-28-2009, 03:50 AM   #10
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Hi,
thanks to all for their work.

Can someone explain to me if this will work
with 3 bcf2000's?
Will i be able to control fx parameters and sends ?
thanks.
I'd love to know this too!
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Thanks yagonnawantthatcowbell.
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Old 12-28-2009, 09:45 AM   #12
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Joenspnice, If the csurf dll is in the correct folder, you'll see two mackie control options in the drop down menu in the preferences -> control surface dialog there will be two options for mackie control, one will have Klinke in the name, be sure that is loaded.

I'm out of town away from reaper, but I believe once the mcu is in plugin mode you are going to press alt+plugin on the control surface. (if that doesn't bring up the MCU editor try option+plugin.) You are probably going to need to open a plugin on a channel, as I don't think the editor will open if there are no active plugins.

Once you get the MCU editor open make a map for the active plugin and save it. This will create a folder in your "my documents" folder (my documents -> reaper-> MCU ->user maps(or a similar path))

You should be able to paste the pre-set maps there. The MCU will automatically load maps for any plugins you have that match the name of the map.

Hope that helps.

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Can someone explain to me if this will work
with 3 bcf2000's?
Will i be able to control fx parameters and sends ?
thanks.
It should work as long as they are in MCU emulation mode. I believe you will want to set one up as the main MCU and the other two up as extenders. Only the 1 that is set up as "the" MCU (not an extender) will control plug-ins/sends (as Klinke noted in his readme).

I used to have a BCF2000 and it seemed to work well in MCU emulation mode but I never used them as extenders. In theory, that should work too. I have since upgraded to a real MCU so I am no longer in the loop on the BCFs.
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Joenspnice, If the csurf dll is in the correct folder, you'll see two mackie control options in the drop down menu in the preferences -> control surface dialog there will be two options for mackie control, one will have Klinke in the name, be sure that is loaded.

I'm out of town away from reaper, but I believe once the mcu is in plugin mode you are going to press alt+plugin on the control surface. (if that doesn't bring up the MCU editor try option+plugin.) You are probably going to need to open a plugin on a channel, as I don't think the editor will open if there are no active plugins.

Once you get the MCU editor open make a map for the active plugin and save it. This will create a folder in your "my documents" folder (my documents -> reaper-> MCU ->user maps(or a similar path))

You should be able to paste the pre-set maps there. The MCU will automatically load maps for any plugins you have that match the name of the map.

Hope that helps.
Thanks, yagonnawantthatcowbell, for replying to my post.
I have chosen the correct control surface and I am able to control parameters in reaper and I am also able to bring up the mcu editor by pressing alt+plugin but where the problem comes in at is that I'm unable to get the plugin and the mcu plugin editor to communicate back and forth. When I setup the mcu editor to midi learn and then move a parameter in the plugin nothing happens in the editor. I can't figure out how to get the mcu editor and the plugin to communicate.
Btw, I am using native instrument's maschine (in mackie controller mode) as my control surface, and have the ability to edit/ad MCU parameters where needed.
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Ok I just figured it out, I had to first select the plugin from my controller then I was able to work with the MCU plugin editor.
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Ok the first one who tries it (with success...) with BCF2000 in Mackie Mode, please, let us know!
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Ok the first one who tries it (with success...) with BCF2000 in Mackie Mode, please, let us know!
Was about to try, but then there is only one dll, so I guess it is x86 only.
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Bear with me, The .Zip file opens with a .EXE. How do you open it to get the csurf
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OK, I admit it. I'm a Moron, Ed
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Any chance of having a x64 compiled version ?
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a) I was a little bit in hurry when i posted the thread start message, so i forgot to thank:

- Chris (cdoerman) for his Overlay (see section 8), parameter maps (e.g. take a look at the hugh Pod Farm map, it's an amazing work) and great help while beta-testing
- Ryan (yagonnawantthatcowbell) for a hugh contribution of parameter maps
- Miquel (anticlick), Alison and JosMuysers for beta-testing
- Justin for the improved Reaper API (and Reaper in general ;-))
- Jules for the great JUCE library

b) i'm offline till 5.January, so don't be angry when you get no answers on posts/messages/emails from me till then.

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Hi Klinke,

I can't try your new version of plug-in because my WS is down in this moment. But I have a question for you???

In the readme file I don't find anything for the "open plug-in fx window" and I don't understand if it's is possible.

When I push plug-in button on MCU and I select a plug-in on the selected channel the plug-in GUI of the fx open or not???

For me is very important this feature (like PT with MCU-HUI) for a complete control and visual control of the work.

Thanks for your exceptional work and happy new year.

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Hi Klinke,

I can't try your new version of plug-in because my WS is down in this moment. But I have a question for you???

In the readme file I don't find anything for the "open plug-in fx window" and I don't understand if it's is possible.

When I push plug-in button on MCU and I select a plug-in on the selected channel the plug-in GUI of the fx open or not???

For me is very important this feature (like PT with MCU-HUI) for a complete control and visual control of the work.

Thanks for your exceptional work and happy new year.

milesd
Klinke is offline until 5 January so I will jump in here as I had discussed this with him.

The answer is no... for now. This is currently not supported by the Reaper API but Klinke has been in touch with Justin about adding this functionality. It looks like it should happen at some point in the (hopefully not too distant) future.

Once the Reaper API supports this, Klinke should be able to update a future version to show a plugin's GUI onscreen when it is selected from the MCU.

However, one aspect of this that simply will not ever be possible is if the plugin GUI has "sub-pages". For example, some plugins have multiple screens (like advanced settings). The future update will only be able to open the main plugin GUI. If there are sub-screens that can be viewed by clicking on buttons within the main plugin GUI, etc - those will NOT automatically display. The only way to display any sub-screens will be to actually click on them.
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:19 PM   #23
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Klinke has made an awesome work. I asked him if we should expect a x64 version but he said 'no' Too bad because I'd use this on a daily basis.

"Hi,

sorry, but I don't plan to build a 64bit version in the near future, I
have never setup a 64bit project and it seems to be some work (because I
have dependecy to other libraries which then also need to be build for
64bit). I will release the Source under GPL, so maybe someone else
can/will do it.

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Hi Klinke,

I can't try your new version of plug-in because my WS is down in this moment. But I have a question for you???

In the readme file I don't find anything for the "open plug-in fx window" and I don't understand if it's is possible.

When I push plug-in button on MCU and I select a plug-in on the selected channel the plug-in GUI of the fx open or not???

For me is very important this feature (like PT with MCU-HUI) for a complete control and visual control of the work.

Thanks for your exceptional work and happy new year.

milesd

I have sort of a work around for this. I have an action assigned to the "midi tracks" global view key that opens the fx browser window for the last touched track. (kinda sucks that it doesn't follow track selections, but as long as I remember to touch the fader for the track I want to open the fx browser for, all is good)

Once the fx browser window is open, you can use the up and down arrows on your keyboard to scroll through the different plugs you have on that track.

I have a second action "close all floating windows (except mixer and dockable)" assigned to shift+"midi tracks" global button to close the fx browser when I'm finished editing the parameters.

works ok, no need to touch the mouse!
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I have sort of a work around for this. I have an action assigned to the "midi tracks" global view key that opens the fx browser window for the last touched track. (kinda sucks that it doesn't follow track selections, but as long as I remember to touch the fader for the track I want to open the fx browser for, all is good)
There is an option in Preferences>Plugins to force the FX rack follow track selections
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So there is... Thanks, works well.
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Default 64bit version

I have compiled a 64bit version this week, but i have no access to a 64bit windows, so i can't test it myself.

If someone want's to give it a try: she can download the dll from here:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2029458/reap...klinke_x64.dll

Please drop a line about the results.

Additionally i plan to release a update next week, if someone created plug-maps that he wants to share to the community, please send them to me, and i will add them to the zip-archive of this update.

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64bit quick test works.

I'll test it more extensively in the days to come.
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Great.

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My quick test works too.

Thanks Klinke !
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Extensive x64 testing done, with a BCF2000.

Thanks Klinke.

X64 compatibility:
No bugs found, no crashes...

BCF2000 compatibility:
Mapping takes a bit to find out (it is slightly different than that announced by berhinger in Mackie Cubase emulation mode) but works fine, in pan, plugin, send mode....

Only thing I couldn't get to work was the plug-in parameter editor, as the "alt" button is not emulated by the BCF2000. I checked if there was an associated action in the Reaper action list, but did not find it.
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Only thing I couldn't get to work was the plug-in parameter editor, as the "alt" button is not emulated by the BCF2000. I checked if there was an associated action in the Reaper action list, but did not find it.
Which modifier buttons does the BCF2000 emulate? Only Shift, or also Control or Option? Maybe i can add an alternative modifier for opening the MCU-editors.
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That would be great klinke as i'd love to try this mod too, i'm just using the standard mcu mode with my bcf's and your mod sounds very cool!
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That would be great klinke as i'd love to try this mod too, i'm just using the standard mcu mode with my bcf's and your mod sounds very cool!
Go for it, it works fine even without additional editor.


Klinke, I believe the only one is shift, in mackie emulation for Logic mode (BCF has several mackie modes).

I just tested it with the shift-rec combo for monitoring and it works fine.
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First, thank you Klinke for making this csurf!

I've got it running in Reaperx64 in Vistax64 using BCF2000 with USB only, but with some problems.

1. The control disappears from the control surface list each time Reaper is shut down; it has to be added again when Reaper is opened. (Maybe Reaper is not finding a required file? I had Reaperx32 on a memory stick which has been removed. Reaperx64 is installed on the D:/ drive.)

2. The 'edit' dialog appears to be the 'add' dialog (I could be wrong).

3. I have to turn off and then turn on the BCF2000 in order to get the BCF2000 MIDI I/O to work.


Also, is the mapping editor available for BCF2000 in x64 yet?

The good news is that it gets along with the novation automap csurf. All interactions between Reaperx64 and BCF2000 and Nocturn are working! This is important to me because my plan is to use BCF2000 to control the tracks and the Nocturn to map the FXs.

PS I forgot to mention that the "LC" emulation mode is being used.

PSS I just downloaded and installed the new BCF2000 win7 x64 drivers and I'm almost certain that when #1 is fixed, that will also fix #3 too. The new drivers work fine in Vista x64.

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Here is a PDF with all BCF2000 emulation modes:
http://www.behringerdownload.de/BCF2...tion_modes.pdf
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I confirm #1. on my tests i though I was doing something wrong myself, so I did not identify it.

I am not sure to understand #2.

#3 does not happen on my system.
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First, thank you Klinke for making this csurf!

I've got it running in Reaperx64 in Vistax64 using BCF2000 with USB only, but with some problems.

1. The control disappears from the control surface list each time Reaper is shut down; it has to be added again when Reaper is opened. (Maybe Reaper is not finding a required file? I had Reaperx32 on a memory stick which has been removed. Reaperx64 is installed on the D:/ drive.)

2. The 'edit' dialog appears to be the 'add' dialog (I could be wrong).

3. I have to turn off and then turn on the BCF2000 in order to get the BCF2000 MIDI I/O to work.


Also, is the mapping editor available for BCF2000 in x64 yet?

#1: I have only a slightly idea, what can cause the problem and no idea how i can/must change the code to fix it (if the idea is correct) :-( But i will send Justin a mail, maybe he can give me some hint.

#2: I don't understand what you mean with 'edit' and 'add' dialog.

#3: Do you have the same problem with the original MCU plugin?

The mapping editor is availabe in the x64-plugin, but as i learned you can not open it, because the BCF doesn't emulate the ALT-button. I will add the possibility to open the editor with SHIFT-PLUGIN in the next update (but i will not have much time to work on the update in the next days, so maybe it will take 1-2 weeks).
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Hi, Klinke.

I never ran the BCF2000 with the original MCU. No help there.

If you can figure out problem #1, then the other two will most likely be solved anyway.

You're not working for us; please keep this project fun for yourself. There's no rush to fix this minor problem.

PS switched to Sonar emulation

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BCF2000 compatibility:
Mapping takes a bit to find out (it is slightly different than that announced by berhinger in Mackie Cubase emulation mode) but works fine, in pan, plugin, send mode....

Only thing I couldn't get to work was the plug-in parameter editor, as the "alt" button is not emulated by the BCF2000. I checked if there was an associated action in the Reaper action list, but did not find it.
Did you try the Mackie emulation for Sonar? That's the one I found works the best in Reaper.
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