|
|
|
05-30-2014, 09:09 PM
|
#1
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 20,859
|
m/s eq in Reaper?
Anyone got a way to do mid/side eq in Reaper without going off to hunt for plugins?
Looking for a plugin that will let me send everything below a given frequency to the middle and and do m/s eq.
How do you setup m/s processing in Reaper?
__________________
It's time to take a stand against the synthesizer.
Last edited by brainwreck; 05-30-2014 at 09:28 PM.
|
|
|
05-30-2014, 09:50 PM
|
#2
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Boston
Posts: 548
|
Probably out of my depth here.... Afaik, m/s eq works by sending all common l/r input to center, and all differences to side. This naturally results in most low frequencies (drums, bass) tending to center, but I don't know of a plugin that will do it based on frequency, Here's an article from SoS on m/s eq with Reaper - haven't gotten the sound I want yet, but maybe you'll have better luck
|
|
|
05-30-2014, 10:04 PM
|
#3
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: I'm in a barn
Posts: 4,467
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by brainwreck
Looking for a plugin that will let me send everything below a given frequency to the middle and and do m/s eq.
|
just to avoid any confusion, M/S, and monoizing the low end are 2 different processes.
for M/S: the JS:Utility/KanakaMSencoder1 is included. (something like MSED is a bit more versitile and is free)
just insert the plugin before 2 eq's. Using the plugin input matrix, Set eq #1 to only take input on pin 1, this is your MID eq. Set eq #2 to only input on pin 2, this is the side eq.
then you need to combine them back together. The KanakaMS5 is the decoder, you can use that, (or MSED), or even some other plugin to mix the signals back together.
For pushing the low end to the middle, you can make the track 6 channel and use
JS:LOSER/3bandsplitter > JS:Utility/chanmix2 > JS:LOSER/3bandjoiner
set the first frequency slider to the freq you want...
on the chanmix2, set the left pan and right pan both to 0, and also set the left and right volume to -6 to compensate for the gain boost in mixing the channels together. the low channel is 1/2, so you don't need to mess with the inputs for that.
(I like to put JS:Stillwell/Width on the 3/4 and 5/6 channels - it's like instant, cheap Ozone-ness )
|
|
|
05-30-2014, 10:05 PM
|
#4
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 20,859
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ponk
Probably out of my depth here.... Afaik, m/s eq works by sending all common l/r input to center, and all differences to side. This naturally results in most low frequencies (drums, bass) tending to center, but I don't know of a plugin that will do it based on frequency, Here's an article from SoS on m/s eq with Reaper - haven't gotten the sound I want yet, but maybe you'll have better luck
|
Reading that now. Thanks.
Reaper has an m/s encoder/decoder in the js effects, but I'm not sure how to use it.
__________________
It's time to take a stand against the synthesizer.
|
|
|
05-30-2014, 10:07 PM
|
#5
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 800
|
http://www.toneboosters.com/tb-equalizer/
A cheap EQ that does mid-side. Their EQ is transparent but only 6 bands and is quite simple in its interface.
I have since moved on to FabFilter Pro Q which has a much better GUI and more features.
FabFilter have a video on YouTube on how to set up Mid/Side processing using 2 mics and no plugins in Reaper. This is a per track basis though and does not apply to a whole mix.
|
|
|
05-30-2014, 11:18 PM
|
#6
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 20,859
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by James HE
just to avoid any confusion, M/S, and monoizing the low end are 2 different processes.
for M/S: the JS:Utility/KanakaMSencoder1 is included. (something like MSED is a bit more versitile and is free)
just insert the plugin before 2 eq's. Using the plugin input matrix, Set eq #1 to only take input on pin 1, this is your MID eq. Set eq #2 to only input on pin 2, this is the side eq.
then you need to combine them back together. The KanakaMS5 is the decoder, you can use that, (or MSED), or even some other plugin to mix the signals back together.
For pushing the low end to the middle, you can make the track 6 channel and use
JS:LOSER/3bandsplitter > JS:Utility/chanmix2 > JS:LOSER/3bandjoiner
set the first frequency slider to the freq you want...
on the chanmix2, set the left pan and right pan both to 0, and also set the left and right volume to -6 to compensate for the gain boost in mixing the channels together. the low channel is 1/2, so you don't need to mess with the inputs for that.
(I like to put JS:Stillwell/Width on the 3/4 and 5/6 channels - it's like instant, cheap Ozone-ness )
|
Thanks for all that. I'll set if I can get this going.
__________________
It's time to take a stand against the synthesizer.
|
|
|
05-31-2014, 11:42 AM
|
#7
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 20,859
|
James HE, thanks again. I'm not sure that I have my head around it yet, but I got it working.
Hmmmm...there alot of possibilities with this.
__________________
It's time to take a stand against the synthesizer.
Last edited by brainwreck; 05-31-2014 at 11:52 AM.
|
|
|
05-31-2014, 11:51 AM
|
#8
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: I'm in a barn
Posts: 4,467
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by brainwreck
James HE, thanks again. I'm not sure that I have my head around it yet, but I got it working.
|
great!
It's good to alias the FX names, "Mid EQ" "Side EQ" - or whatever.
can get very confusing!
|
|
|
05-31-2014, 12:24 PM
|
#9
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 20,859
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by James HE
great!
It's good to alias the FX names, "Mid EQ" "Side EQ" - or whatever.
can get very confusing!
|
Exactly what I was thinking.
One thing that I'm confused about is why chanmix2 is necessary between the splitter and joiner.
If it was an elephant... Got it.
__________________
It's time to take a stand against the synthesizer.
Last edited by brainwreck; 05-31-2014 at 12:36 PM.
|
|
|
05-31-2014, 01:20 PM
|
#10
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: I'm in a barn
Posts: 4,467
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by brainwreck
Exactly what I was thinking.
One thing that I'm confused about is why chanmix2 is necessary between the splitter and joiner.
If it was an elephant... Got it.
|
the chanmix is included in the install, that's why I mentioned it.
I modded the splitter such that it does it automatically. (when enabled) I modded the joiner to be able to solo / mute bands.
I get around to releasing that mod... eventually.
|
|
|
05-31-2014, 01:35 PM
|
#11
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Sweden
Posts: 7,416
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by brainwreck
How do you setup m/s processing in Reaper?
|
I do it with a track template (see the attachment).
I hope it's clear what to do... send left side stuff to the "Left" track and right side stuff to the "Right" track, and then you have "Mid" and "Side" tracks to tweak. And it all comes out the "Full Monty" track. Works great for me
__________________
// MVHMF
I never always did the right thing, but all I did wasn't wrong...
Last edited by Fabian; 11-21-2023 at 12:56 PM.
|
|
|
05-31-2014, 03:02 PM
|
#12
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 20,859
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabian
I hope it's clear what to do...
|
Thanks. I had to look at it on paper to 'get it'.
https://app.box.com/s/0c0xr0vj5hdj9e52khp4
__________________
It's time to take a stand against the synthesizer.
|
|
|
05-31-2014, 04:18 PM
|
#13
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 20,859
|
I had not thought before of splitting amp sims by frequency - different sims for low, mids, highs, into same or different cab sims (split or not). It's kind of interesting playing around with this.
__________________
It's time to take a stand against the synthesizer.
|
|
|
06-03-2014, 01:34 PM
|
#14
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Sweden
Posts: 7,416
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by brainwreck
|
Nice!
__________________
// MVHMF
I never always did the right thing, but all I did wasn't wrong...
|
|
|
06-03-2014, 01:39 PM
|
#15
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 29,260
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by brainwreck
I had not thought before of splitting amp sims by frequency - different sims for low, mids, highs, into same or different cab sims (split or not). It's kind of interesting playing around with this.
|
Slightly off topic but one of Craig Anderton's DIY projects is a distortion box that splits the incoming signal into multiple signals and distorts each set of the frequency bands separately then recombines them.
__________________
Music is what feelings sound like.
|
|
|
06-03-2014, 07:19 PM
|
#16
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Buenos Aires - Argentina
Posts: 560
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by James HE
For pushing the low end to the middle...
|
I think JS: LOSER/stereoEnhancer does the trick. It has 3 sliders:
Width Low (%)
Crossover (Hz)
Width High (%)
Not Mid/Side EQing, but it can set properly the Crossover and restrict Width Low to mono.
__________________
ReaLoaded!
|
|
|
06-04-2014, 01:05 AM
|
#17
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Preston
Posts: 232
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reaperto
I think JS: LOSER/stereoEnhancer does the trick. It has 3 sliders:
Width Low (%)
Crossover (Hz)
Width High (%)
Not Mid/Side EQing, but it can set properly the Crossover and restrict Width Low to mono.
|
Yep, I use this on pretty much every project. If not on my master buss then on my guitar buss.
|
|
|
06-05-2014, 11:16 AM
|
#18
|
Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 20,859
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fabian
Nice!
|
I think is why a visual routing interface is appealing to some of us - looking at a diagram of how something works vs. holding the routing scheme in your head while trying to figure out how it works. Diagrams make things click for me much faster than menus and matrixes.
__________________
It's time to take a stand against the synthesizer.
|
|
|
Thread Tools |
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:14 AM.
|