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Old 05-27-2016, 09:27 AM   #1
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Are there any vocalists out here that can do a quick turn-around on some old-school R&B/funk/soul songs (1-3) that are to capture the vibe of something like "Tighten Up"? I am in the process of creating the music (one is completely done). These are for submitting for possible licensing opportunities. Message me if you feel interested and up for it.
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Maybe you could post the "one" that's finished. Might get more interest. Or is this top secret??
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bugger I am in france till JUne 19th with minimal gear and no decent mics or recording space.
would gave enjoyed this...
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Maybe you could post the "one" that's finished. Might get more interest. Or is this top secret??
Ha...not top secret at all, just time sensitive. This is not a typical "collab", it's not about pouring our souls together into a cosmic musical melting pot of creative ecstasy...(although I do love to do that when I can...). If the idea of jumping on a quick and easy project with the aim to get in on some possible long-term licensing relationships isn't enough to spark interest, I will just stick with the instrumental submissions I normally do. This is just a unique opportunity that happens to need vocals and it's a style that I can easily do (If I can get vocals).
Also, the one instrumental that is done is probably the most basic and lowest priority, although I'll take what I can get....

I'll post a link for that in a minute.....
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Songs are finished......links gone!
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Haha that was f'ing awesome!
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Haha that was f'ing awesome!
Do you have any soul vocals in ya?
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No way dude! Sorry, just an annoyingly curious stranger. This your usual stuff?
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Just saw the link cool stuff Richie
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Just saw the link cool stuff Richie
Thanks, much appreciated. Sorry if I am coming off as rude, I am just scrambling....
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How rude of me.....Here are a few links for reference songs. These need to be "cool" and positive....but no clones or rip-offs!







This one won't embed for some reason...It's "Superfly"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cmo6MRYf5g
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No way dude! Sorry, just an annoyingly curious stranger. This your usual stuff?
I also come from a long stretch of old-school punk/hard-core...just sayin'....(I checked out some of your music..nice!)
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....(I checked out some of your music..nice!)
Please... No need to embarrass me now sir.

And your not coming off rude cause I'm bad at picking up on that stuff hehe good luck finding vocals dude! I'd feel lucky to land something on that track!

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Old 05-28-2016, 08:26 AM   #14
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I tried this, but I'm too much of that pouring souls type and can't keep it simple enough. Hope somebody jumps in that knows how to make basic melodies work--then pm me to teach me how to do it!
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I tried this, but I'm too much of that pouring souls type and can't keep it simple enough. Hope somebody jumps in that knows how to make basic melodies work--then pm me to teach me how to do it!
I'll take whatever you do if you still plan on doing some Monday......
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If no one replies, yes. But if someone jumps in that's most likely a better fit, no.
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Just want to clarify about the soul-poring stuff....

I definitely want vocals that are passionate and soulful, I just don't need someone to feel like they need to write a hit single...lyrics need to be pretty general and universal (but cool and positive). But YES to pouring your soul into the actual performance!
With the time remaining, I'd love to focus on the first and third tunes I uploaded.....jump in soulful Reaperites!!
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Default R&B-Soul songs done!!

Sammy came through gloriously, as well as an amazing bassist named Dave Rengel (who happens to be the very first musician I played with at age 15.....another story for another time).
These are really nice.... All hail sammydix!

https://soundcloud.com/richinmusic/s...k-soul/s-xPsb3
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All hail!!!!

Excellent work guys! This sounds so legit
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Sammy came through gloriously, as well as an amazing bassist named Dave Rengel (who happens to be the very first musician I played with at age 15.....another story for another time).
These are really nice.... All hail sammydix!

https://soundcloud.com/richinmusic/s...k-soul/s-xPsb3
Nice. You got the right guy.

You can't teach that vocal thing really, you kinda have to grow up doing it or be exposed to it a lot for it to sound... right. Like all good funk, the music doesn't sound like it came from a computer, it has that relaxed funky feel to it. Good stuff.

To me, that's funk (and good funk), not so much R&B.
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All hail!!!!

Excellent work guys! This sounds so legit
LOL! you're nutz OPI!
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Nice. You got the right guy.

You can't teach that vocal thing really, you kinda have to grow up doing it or be exposed to it a lot for it to sound... right. Like all good funk, the music doesn't sound like it came from a computer, it has that relaxed funky feel to it. Good stuff.

To me, that's funk (and good funk), not so much R&B.
That's a fine compliment, Lawrence. Thank you! But I grew up, at first, on old hip-hop, then switched to the rock thang, but I've heard my share of the old stuff and did the best I could muster from my limitations. I think Rich's music 'drove' me more than anything.

What surprises me about the songs is that, through no fault of Rich, I had to complete them all within two days. Started Monday and got the last one to Rich by Tues night. I almost felt like they did in the old days!
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Old 06-03-2016, 01:43 PM   #23
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Oh for sure. Some things like that are familiarity.

But listening to your vocal phrasing there I knew right away that funk was not something you just heard recently and tried to mimic. It's the phrasing, the timing, how you sung over it, that makes it sound like it should. I think a country singer (or someone not as familiar with those genres) would have more trouble with that.

And obviously ... there's a good bit of overlap of those genres, funk, R&B, hip-hop.

Good stuff.
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Oh for sure. Some things like that are familiarity.

But listening to your vocal phrasing there I knew right away that funk was not something you just heard recently and tried to mimic. It's the phrasing, the timing, how you sung over it, that makes it sound like it should. I think a country singer (or someone not as familiar with those genres) would have more trouble with that.

And obviously ... there's a good bit of overlap of those genres, funk, R&B, hip-hop.

Good stuff.
Not to mention that it's naturally in my blood and soul...whether I ever realized it or not. Thanks to Rich, I got to realize it. Love my heritage.
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It really was awesome. My mother loved it aswell. She says hello. She grew up touring with a band that had a similar vibe to this. Thanks for sharing guys!
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That used to drive me a little nuts when I was trying to write R&B songs, to write a song where the "ultimate feel" is very highly dependent on the vocal phrasing and timing, and not being a singer myself (I truly suck actually ), and having someone else, a good singer, sing it for me who's "internal clock" could never really get to that place I heard in my head, and the whole thing kinda falls apart.

It's a skill... or a natural talent. MJ had in in barrels, that special thing where his vocal timing and phrasing actually lifted the songs to another level. Most great R&B singers have it.
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It really was awesome. My mother loved it aswell. She says hello. She grew up touring with a band that had a similar vibe to this. Thanks for sharing guys!
Mom be funky? Please tell her hi back.
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That used to drive me a little nuts when I was trying to write R&B songs, to write a song where the "ultimate feel" is very highly dependent on the vocal phrasing and timing, and not being a singer myself (I truly suck actually ), and having someone else, a good singer, sing it for me who's "internal clock" could never really get to that place I heard in my head, and the whole thing kinda falls apart.

It's a skill... or a natural talent. MJ had in in barrels, that special thing where his vocal timing and phrasing actually lifted the songs to another level. Most great R&B singers have it.
If you think I'm good enough, maybe we could try something one of these days?
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Mom be funky? Please tell her hi back.
Hehe oh yes. Shes smokes more herb than I do... Not that it has anything to do with funk
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If you think I'm good enough, maybe we could try something one of these days?
Those days for me are long past, R&B songs, back when I played keys a lot and wrote songs on piano, mostly R&B ballads. I don't even have most of them anymore, the songs.

One thing I will do for fun though is write around vocal tracks, like this one. http://ccmixter.org/api/query?f=m3u&ids=30050

It takes you to a different place because the singer isn't trying or needing to feel something you wrote, but more you trying to build upon the feel already there in the vocal. But even then, I'm not a great musician (obviously) so there's only so far I can ever go with those things.

But I had fun playing with that vocal, that guy has the male R&B thing on lockdown.
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Hehe oh yes. Shes smokes more herb than I do... Not that it has anything to do with funk
Mom's that cool hippy lady down the street.
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Those days for me are long past, R&B songs, back when I played keys a lot and wrote songs on piano, mostly R&B ballads. I don't even have most of them anymore, the songs.

One thing I will do for fun though is write around vocal tracks, like this one. http://ccmixter.org/api/query?f=m3u&ids=30050

It takes you to a different place because the singer isn't trying or needing to feel something you wrote, but more you trying to build upon the feel already there in the vocal. But even then, I'm not a great musician (obviously) so there's only so far I can ever go with those things.

But I had fun playing with that vocal, that guy has the male R&B thing on lockdown.
Good god. He totally does!
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Yeah. I call it being "that guy", where you know after the first few words that he's that guy who can sing an R&B song and people who like that genre would pay attention right away.

Maybe kinda like porn where you can't always define it but you know it immediately when you hear it, like with Usher, Joe, etc, etc.

But yeah, my little music sketch behind doesn't do it justice.

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Here's another one Sammy. Unfortunately, you almost never find this genre on any daw forums from users which are mostly rock and EDM or Hip-Hop so you kinda have to find a random guy on ccmixter or something to even be reminded it still exists, as relates to what some people are doing at home anyway.

http://ccmixter.org/api/query?f=m3u&ids=26073
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Here's another one Sammy. Unfortunately, you almost never find this genre on any daw forums from users which are mostly rock and EDM or Hip-Hop so you kinda have to find a random guy on ccmixter or something to even be reminded it still exists, as relates to what some people are doing at home anyway.

http://ccmixter.org/api/query?f=m3u&ids=26073
Yup, he's got "it." I've never been "disciplined" enough for that kind of singing.
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Who's got da funk"


Weeee got da funk.

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Nice. To me, that's funk (and good funk), not so much R&B.
Did you listen to all 3??
The second song, Supernatural, is certainly old-school R&B/Soul...not funk at all.

Thanks for the compliments though.
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Here's another one Sammy. Unfortunately, you almost never find this genre on any daw forums from users which are mostly rock and EDM or Hip-Hop so you kinda have to find a random guy on ccmixter or something to even be reminded it still exists, as relates to what some people are doing at home anyway.

http://ccmixter.org/api/query?f=m3u&ids=26073
That is a very "modern" R&B sound. The songs Sammy sang were never meant to be in that style. These were done to specifically submit to a film opportunity that needs a song to swap out with "Tighten Up" (video link earlier in thread). Not necessarily "sounds like" the song, but a direct replacement in tone, vibe, and BPM....(scene has been shot and a very "cool" character is dancing to Tighten Up, but as is common these days, nobody wants to deal with licensing old famous tunes...).
I think even without considering the time constraints that we all had (I started 2 of the 3 songs 2 days before Sam and bassist got them), these are solid songs that could fit the film needs....Supernatural, though, feels special to me. Sammy far exceeded my hopes for these songs, and that comment is bigger than you may realize because I have already worked with him and know how good he is...but these are "off the hook" in my opinion.
Bass and the other instrumentation does ok too......
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Oh for sure. That last link is kinda "urban r&b", the bastard child of R&B and hip-hop. Classic R&B is typically not that busy underneath, and yeah, that was a side discussion, not related to the intent of the other music you guys were doing.

Back on topic, you guys did a great job there. Sounds like "real music" to me, not so much somebody clicking in a bunch of midi notes to the grid.

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