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01-18-2014, 04:38 PM
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Best(and most economical) Drum Program for Reaper?
What are you guys using?
If I use EZ Drummer,does it require another program to support it?
Anywho....thanks guys...
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01-18-2014, 08:07 PM
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EZ Drummer doesn't need an additional program. I'm using Superior at the moment, but am a big fan of EZ and the price is great for what you get (depending on your needs).
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01-18-2014, 11:32 PM
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I'm using the free seinheiser drum instrument with the free version of kontakt. Works well, sounds great.
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01-18-2014, 11:34 PM
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ezDrummer and Addictive Drums user here. Both are great programs.
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01-18-2014, 11:36 PM
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Try the Reaper native Reasamplomatic 5000 + jnif ' s sequencer baby .
There are tons of free samples available , and for economy and quick work flow this combo cant be beat.
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01-19-2014, 01:38 AM
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I love the Slate drums, exact sound I like and it's actually inexpensive comparing to others.
Shortcircuit + kitbuilder with some freebie wav sets off the internet (like GSCW or tchackpoum) seems to be a good if you plan to spend $0.
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01-19-2014, 02:27 AM
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Got pretty much all of them and love them all for different things.
You should have bought EZD when it was on BF sale at $29. I did and gave it to my daughter's boyfriend, who is an impoverished pro musician.
Even at current price it is still very good bang for the buck.
But buying just ONE drum rompler is a slippery slope.....
P.S. Despite lots of help here and elsewhere I STILL don't seem to be able to get the sennheiser Drummic'a download. My german is just not up to answering the questions the site asks when I input something wrong! (grin)
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01-19-2014, 04:26 AM
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I've only ever used Addictive Drums + retro/ metal paks. Been good but always wondered if EZD or similar would serve me 'better'.
I just have nothing to compare and can't be arsed trying them out.
But certainly no complaints with AD
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01-19-2014, 04:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ivansc
Gpt[ pretty much all of them and love them all for different things.
You should have bought EZD when it was on BF sale at $29. I did and gave it to my daughter's boyfriend, who is an impoverished pro musician.
Even at current price it is still very good bang for the buck.
But buying just ONE drum rompler is a slippery slope.....
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Heh, another one hooked
He'll be even more impoverished buying libraries for it now...
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01-19-2014, 07:35 AM
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For free I'd go with DrumMic'a or DrumCore3 Free.
But for $40 this simply cannot be beat:
http://www.stevenslatedrums.com/custom.php
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01-19-2014, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by pattonfreak1
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Now that's a deal. Thanks for the information.
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01-19-2014, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Geo524
Now that's a deal. Thanks for the information.
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No problem.
I'm still using SSD3 but am seriously considering this.
only 2 kits but listening to the demos, it sounds more than capable
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01-20-2014, 04:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by suleiman
Try the Reaper native Reasamplomatic 5000 + jnif ' s sequencer baby .
There are tons of free samples available , and for economy and quick work flow this combo cant be beat.
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Absolutely....Tod gave us a great Xmas with an awesome template with samples. Jnif SB - RS5k - Tod's drums is now my goto drum machine.
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01-20-2014, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by rcl
Absolutely....Tod gave us a great Xmas with an awesome template with samples. Jnif SB - RS5k - Tod's drums is now my goto drum machine.
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Heh heh, thanks rcl, here's the link.
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=132576
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01-20-2014, 11:04 AM
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One of the Slate drums (cheaper one) and BFD ECO. I use ECO more right now. Both were cheap and run well.
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01-20-2014, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by pattonfreak1
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That's really great! Unfortunately it doesn't run on Win XP
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01-21-2014, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MichaJo
That's really great! Unfortunately it doesn't run on Win XP
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Yeah... I'm getting ready to kiss xp goodbye. Tis sad...
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01-21-2014, 02:13 PM
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Do check out MDrummer (I think they do a lite free version too) most natural sounding virtual kit I've used. Even considered using it live triggered by practise kit if I could source a reliable laptop/soundcard.
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01-21-2014, 05:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeymartin
What are you guys using?
If I use EZ Drummer,does it require another program to support it?
Anywho....thanks guys...
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Another EZDrummer user here. Very easy drag and drop patterns into Reaper. Great for songwriter types like myself. Plus, expandable.
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JBL LSR 305's, Reaper, EZDrummer, EZKeys and a Lightly treated room.
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01-21-2014, 08:52 PM
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I may be in the minority here, but I don't even bother with a drum program. I just use some free drum samples I found on the internet, and construct beats by copying and-pasting on the grid within Reaper. I find it fairly simple and straightforward to do...maybe because I'd been so used to those old-school drum machine interfaces, so this is like a walk in the park compared to that.
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01-22-2014, 12:14 PM
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How are you going to be constructing your drum tracks? Keyboard? Step-sequencing them? MIDI drumpads, or an e-kit? All of these will work, but no two pieces of software work in the exact same way.
AD is really good. Lots of kit options and expansion packs. Great customer service too. The mapping features are solid, and you can save different configs from within the program. I wish there was a bit more control with regard to velocity curves, particularly being able to custom-draw curves for each drum (see DrumDrops below). Correct me if I'm wrong, but they only have built-in "presets" for changing the curves.
EZDrummer. Great kits, especially those expansion packs that include 4-Mic setups like the Classic and Indie packs. NOTE: If you are looking for real mapping flexibility, the ability to tune each drum (or even the entire kit), etc. then EZDrummer is NOT for you. Get Superior instead.
BFD, and BFD Eco: They sound good, but I find FXPansion software does not play well with Reaper. That is just my own experience. Others use them to great effect without any issues. I've moved on from BFD.
Kontakt-based kits from Analogue Drums and more recently DrumDrops have become my go-to solution for drums.
I just picked up the 1963 Premier DrumDrops kit last week, and I'm amazed at the sound and flexibility that is built into this sample-set. Lots of presets included in addition to a great-sounding default kit. Solid EQ options, transient controls, and what I consider to be the best feature of all: The ability to simply draw and save your own velocity curves for each drum/cymbal as well as the whole kit. I drum on a dk-10 padset. Some samples trigger hotter than others depending on the company, but with the included curve-draw feature I can truly customize everything easily to trigger exactly the way I want.
Hope this helps.
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01-22-2014, 12:27 PM
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There is so much to chose from , i have EZdrummer , and some EZXs for it they have sales on EZXs all the time for like $29 or so . I also have One Small Clues Poise , which I use paid or free samples for acoustic and electonic stuff for too .
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01-22-2014, 12:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Buddha Rats
BFD, and BFD Eco: They sound good, but I find FXPansion software does not play well with Reaper. That is just my own experience. Others use them to great effect without any issues. I've moved on from BFD.
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Eco requires some careful programming (if you program your beats) to sound decent, since it doesn't have real round-robin and there's relatively few velocity layers. But there's really cool choice of kit elements and builtin effects are really interesting and convenient to use.
It works stably for me BTW.
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01-22-2014, 01:44 PM
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Yea zeekat, the lack of round-robin and fewer velocity layers was a deal breaker for me which was a shame because I really liked the way the kits sounded in Eco. Also, saving custom kits with BFD2 was a nightmare, as none of the mapping or custom settings were being embedded with the patch.
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06-04-2014, 04:30 AM
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Well, I'm a total newbie, still buying some gear, and software, but I could do pro work with what I already have, but refuse to even turn the system on, until I've learned how to uae a DAW, as I'm 52, and the last time I recorded anything, we still used 2" tape, and ADAT was brand new. But I research everything I buy to the inth degree before it leaves the store, and I lstened to drum samplers for 3 hours last Friday, and by far, the best sounding kits I heard, ( not taking ease of programming, or anything but the process used to record their kits, and samples into account.), And I found the $99.00 version of Steven Slates drums sounded so much more like a Real kit, than any other program I heard. The sound of kit I prefer, has always been that huge kick, big snare, and basic 1 or 2 racks, with a big floor tom, and Slates Led Zeppelin kit sounds excatly as I want my kit to sound. I am doing a lot of 60s Floyd, and Crimson style prog, with ELP influences, and would add some toms, and other things, but it sounded perfect. As I said, I didn't get into the sequeners, or other features, only the sounds of the kits. Are Slates programs good for Reaper, and especially for Reaper newbies,( Make that zero experience with DAWs!)? Or is there another program that would be an easier one to kearn, and is less than $100.00, or better, FREE? ALL suggestions are appreciated. I'm looking for Nick Mason, meets Keith Moon, meets Bonham, meets Karl Palmer, with a bit of Charlie watts rock steady thrown in!
Peace to all, and thank you in advance, Keith
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06-04-2014, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Well, I'm a total newbie, still buying some gear, and software, but I could do pro work with what I already have, but refuse to even turn the system on, until I've learned how to uae a DAW, as I'm 52, and the last time I recorded anything, we still used 2" tape, and ADAT was brand new. But I research everything I buy to the inth degree before it leaves the store, and I lstened to drum samplers for 3 hours last Friday, and by far, the best sounding kits I heard, ( not taking ease of programming, or anything but the process used to record their kits, and samples into account.), And I found the $99.00 version of Steven Slates drums sounded so much more like a Real kit, than any other program I heard. The sound of kit I prefer, has always been that huge kick, big snare, and basic 1 or 2 racks, with a big floor tom, and Slates Led Zeppelin kit sounds excatly as I want my kit to sound. I am doing a lot of 60s Floyd, and Crimson style prog, with ELP influences, and would add some toms, and other things, but it sounded perfect. As I said, I didn't get into the sequeners, or other features, only the sounds of the kits. Are Slates programs good for Reaper, and especially for Reaper newbies,( Make that zero experience with DAWs!)? Or is there another program that would be an easier one to kearn, and is less than $100.00, or better, FREE? ALL suggestions are appreciated. I'm looking for Nick Mason, meets Keith Moon, meets Bonham, meets Karl Palmer, with a bit of Charlie watts rock steady thrown in!
Peace to all, and thank you in advance, Keith
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For free your best bet would be drumcore3 free. It sounds decent but you only get one kit.
I have the Slate program you're talking about and have had ZERO problems in reaper.
If you search on YouTube for how to use it in reaper you'll find it may not be as easy as say EzDrummer but once you see how its done it'll seem more ergonomic to use. I love it
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06-04-2014, 05:10 AM
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Er...REASON. (Old version)
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06-04-2014, 08:12 AM
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I second drumcore 3 free.
Very easy to use. Has a limited number of grooves n one kit but its quality.
Drumica is possibly the most detailed freebie ever made and has one immensely sampled kit and many midi grooves but may not be newbie friendly.
The best commercial bet is MT Power Drumkit 2. Very cheap and easy to use but the kit is pre processed towards a modern rock sound. Its a great kit though with a lot of grooves and built in song arranger.
The most organic sounding commercial one is Volko Ala Turka with four very nice warm sounding kits. But the grooves are oriented towards eastern rhythms.
All the ones i have mentioned NEVER crash in Reaper.
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06-04-2014, 08:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaJo
That's really great! Unfortunately it doesn't run on Win XP
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Completely False - I have SSD and it runs just fine on XP.
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06-04-2014, 09:03 AM
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I use slate (3.5ex, got it for 20 bucks on sale) and its been great for me. It has some annoying limitations, mainly (perhaps only) in regards to the size of the kit, but I guess that keeps it realistic to what my drummer actually has available to use in real life? For instance, the kits in my version only include one set of 3 toms and one set of 4 toms. I would greatly enjoy having a 5th tom for that extra huge & low floor tom to use for certain parts. I would also like to be able to include two chinas and three crashes along with a splash, hi-hat & ride, but I can only get so much of that (easily).
But I digress, they are definitely some great sounding kits, VERY easy to use, and have a great amount of room for growth. By that, I mean that you can load up a kit, slap in an included preset, sequence your drums and throw it in a mix. Odds are you can get a great sound doing just that and mixing your instruments/vocals/whatever around the kit. Once you get the urge though, you can take it a lot further with doubling up snare & kick samples, mixing & matching different cymbals etc to get the sound you want, adjusting rooms mics, built in envelopes & distortions & whatnot etc etc etc etc. And then you can route each drum out to a different channel in your daw for further processing and easier fine tuning of the mix.
So yeah, for what you're describing, I would slap my recommendation on there. I'm planning on upgrading to the newest version in the near future. Might wait and see if a 4.5 or 5.0 is going to come out though.
edit: When I originally opened the thread I didn't notice it jumped me to the bottom, so I thought KeithC was the OP & thats what I was responding too. Oops. Still relevant mostly though I guess.
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06-04-2014, 11:17 AM
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I'm a huge fan of Jamstix, been using it for years.
http://www.rayzoon.com
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06-04-2014, 11:26 AM
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Recording Magazine recently reviewed EZ Drummer 2, and before getting into the review of the newest version the author says readers who have submitted their recordings to the magazine over the years have had consistently good results with EZ Drummer. If real (amateur) users are getting good results, that says a lot to me!
My previous post with some quotes from the Recording Magazine article is here.
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06-04-2014, 01:03 PM
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EZ Drummer was my first choice, mainly because I see so many people talking about it, and it's not much more than SS, so I'm still up in the air, but that clip from the article sounds extremely positive for EZD? I think with all the info I'm shoving into my head at a slightly later point in life than most, the combination of ease of use, "Real" sounding kits, and the ability to play what I write, is what I need, is EZ Drummer really EZ?
Thanks Y'all, KC
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06-04-2014, 01:30 PM
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Best? No such thing. Economical? Catch a sale, I guess.
I mostly use ez with the vintage kit addon, as it is one of the few dry kits out there. The big room drum sound got old pretty quick for me, and every drum sampler maker seems to be doing it. Big room drums sound really out of place for the majority of the stuff that I like to play.
Someone mentioned ez 2. The only new features that I would use are pitch and mixing pieces. I can mix pieces already, using multiple instances and a little routing, and I wouldn't use the pitch feature very often. Not worth the upgrade price for me.
I have used Superior, Ezdrummer, BFD, BFD Lite, Reason Drum Kits. Out of all of these, I found two kits that I like the sound of - the ez vintage kit, and the yamaha kit from RDK. Drum sound is a personal thing, I think.
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06-04-2014, 05:11 PM
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RS5K (Reaper's sampler) = free
Big Mono drums (from Analogue Drums using just the wav files) = free
RS5K + Popsticks (I like this a lot) from Analogue Drums = $19
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