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03-10-2011, 06:17 AM
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Human being with feelings
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Automation envelopes: edit multiple point values at once
As a long time Cubase user, there's a feature I instantly missed in REAPER. I'll try to explain here.
In REAPER, imagine I have an envelope in automation with three points, with values 5, 3, and 8. If I right click one of those points, a popup menu opens, and I can choose to type a value manually and the value will be assigned to that point. That's okay.
Now, imagine I use the right button of my mouse to select all the three points.
Then, with the three points selected, I right click one of them, for example the first point (value 5). Then I choose to set the value manually, and I enter value 7.
In this situation, what REAPER does is to set my point from 5 to 7, and leave the other two selected points untouched.
What Cubase does is this:
- my point goes from 5 to 7 (as REAPER did);
- the selected point with value 3 goes to 5;
- the selected point with value 8 goes to 10.
See, Cubase intelligently modified the other selected points with the difference between the values of the point I modified. This is a HUGE time saver when you have an envelope (usually volume) with dozens of points, and you want to raise/lower all of them at once.
I hope you developers can understand my explanation, and consider implementing it.
Thanks in advance.
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03-10-2011, 06:34 AM
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You can, for the time being, hold Ctrl+Shift to confine dragging the selected envelope points to one direction.
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03-10-2011, 08:49 AM
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I tried this recently what's described in the first post (select some points rightclick, - set value) and was also disappointed that Reaper adjusts only one point.
But - what I intuitively expected and wished for in this situation was that all selected points get set to the same value.
So our requests differ between "set multiple points to absolute value" and "set to relative value".
I think if both options could be integrated in the rightclick menu would be great.
btw,
not want to derail this thread but what's the current best way to set multiple points to the exact same value at once ? Is there any ?
Last edited by nofish; 03-10-2011 at 10:19 AM.
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03-10-2011, 12:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nofish
But - what I intuitively expected and wished for in this situation was that all selected points get set to the same value.
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Set all points to the same value would probably be the first thought of anyone, but it would have little practical use, I guess. In the other hand, the "Cubase way" is incredibly useful, since you can raise or lower the entire envelope at once, or even part of it (for example, raise all points in the chorus of the song).
Quote:
Originally Posted by nofish
not want to derail this thread but what's the current best way to set multiple points to the exact same value at once ? Is there any ?
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The closest I got was to change two adjacent points only: you can raise/lower the line between them, so both points move. I found no way to set this value manually, though (that'd be another suggestion).
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03-10-2011, 06:51 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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You can move all selected points together by click+drag one of the selected points. Not the line between them (segment). Alternatively you can drag a time selection and move the slider on the header area if the track is in trim mode.
I agree that "Set point value" should set all selected points in a relative way.
What's weird is that I can't find "Set point value" in the action list. I tried several filter terms to no avail.
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03-03-2012, 08:26 AM
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I am missing this feature too. Actually I find myself needing this functionality quite a bit.
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03-03-2012, 10:22 AM
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This would save so much time when editing point envelopes. We need something like this!
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12-07-2012, 05:32 AM
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+1 for being able to select multiple points on an automation envelope and set them all the same value all at once.
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11-05-2013, 04:48 AM
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+1 to this, I'm finding myself in surprisingly laborious situations without it...
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12-22-2013, 06:50 AM
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Human being with feelings
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is there now a possibility to set the point values of more than one selected envelope point with a keyboard shortcut?
dragging multiple selected points with the mouse is way too inaccurate and having to select every single point and choose "set point value..." is too laborious.
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12-29-2013, 03:48 PM
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+1
I too would find this feature incredibly useful in a number of audio production applications - found this thread after swimming in a sea of envelope points!
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01-05-2014, 12:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by joshmay
+1
I too would find this feature incredibly useful in a number of audio production applications - found this thread after swimming in a sea of envelope points!
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yeah, my wrists are hurting right now.
does anybody know some kind of workaround for the issue?
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07-01-2014, 10:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by milo99
+1 for being able to select multiple points on an automation envelope and set them all the same value all at once.
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+1 here, would be great to set multiple points to same value, especially when automating volume.
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07-01-2014, 11:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by imagine
+1 here, would be great to set multiple points to same value, especially when automating volume.
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Yep, +1 -- hopefully comes along with a REAPER automation overhaul to include automation clips as well.
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07-16-2014, 04:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Salem Beats
Yep, +1 -- hopefully comes along with a REAPER automation overhaul to include automation clips as well.
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Automation clips! +1
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07-23-2014, 12:43 PM
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Hope this helps, for me is working...
Hello guys!!!
I found a solution to set all the selected envelope points to the same value, there is an action:
"Set selected envelope points to first selected point's value" I put ALT+P to this, now set the first
selected point to the value you want by draggin or "Set point value" dialog box, select this and all
subsequent points you want to change and hit ALT+P, BANG!!!! all have the value of the first ...
Hope this helps and serves as an idea to add an action to "Set point value" dialog box to ALL selected points...
Cheers
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02-28-2015, 10:30 AM
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I can't find this action. SWS installed there must be another phrasing for the thing I guess anybody ??
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03-24-2017, 06:05 AM
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Envelope points follows time selection
here is the solution!
1) Menu > Options > Envelope Points > Envelope point selection follows time selection
2) move the points selected in the area of time selection with hold click and drag
3) ready!
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12-20-2018, 04:38 AM
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Surprised it hasn't been added as a relative value in the Set Value action yet for all selected points.
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12-20-2018, 06:31 AM
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I want to set several points to the same value in the dialogue not by messing around with dragging the point.
Masi
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12-20-2018, 07:20 AM
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Set first or last point to value you want, then use action like,..
SWS/BR: Set selected envelope points to first selected point's value
SWS/BR: Set selected envelope points to last selected point's value
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12-20-2018, 07:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Masi
I want to set several points to the same value in the dialogue not by messing around with dragging the point.
Masi
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Exactly.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgemeal
Set first or last point to value you want, then use action like,..
SWS/BR: Set selected envelope points to first selected point's value
SWS/BR: Set selected envelope points to last selected point's value
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I'm using that, but it would be nice to do it in one go, using a relative value flag that moves multiple selected makers relatively. Studio One does this well.
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12-21-2018, 03:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Edgemeal
Set first or last point to value you want, then use action like,..
SWS/BR: Set selected envelope points to first selected point's value
SWS/BR: Set selected envelope points to last selected point's value
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Thank you.
What's frustrating in the current UI is that when more than one point is selected the dialog acts only one one. That's not the same behaviour as for media items, etc. I like to have the same editing paradigmas for all elements.
Masi
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04-06-2019, 01:08 AM
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Is there any way of moving them all relative to the point just changed? So if you change a bunch of points, and the one chosen is set to -2, all the other points move down by -2 as well, regardless of their current value?
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04-06-2019, 01:27 AM
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For volume purposes I really like this one. Dialog allows absolute and relative values.
https://github.com/X-Raym/REAPER-Rea...ts%20value.lua
For example:
-+0.5 will attenuate all selected points for 0.5 db.
1.5 will set absolute volume for all selected points
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04-08-2019, 01:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zabukowski
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This is awesome! It would be great if there was a toggle checkbox that allowed the value to be relative or absolute without needing to type + in the value box, if I was better at lua, I'd add this myself :/
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05-27-2019, 12:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zabukowski
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I've found -value is broken, it just sets everything to -inf, so there still seems to be no permanent solution.
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11-02-2019, 03:06 AM
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Is there any other possible option for this? Everything else about Reaper is better than Studio One, but the one thing I can't seem to get 1:1 as much as I try is envelopes. I've managed to modify so much of it to match but the one thing I can't do is adjust all envelope points relative to each other.
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06-20-2020, 02:25 PM
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+1 for the ability to move all selected points by the same value! I would use this feature all the time.
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01-23-2024, 09:25 AM
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Implement this without need of extra script
I found a script allowing this and more here: https://github.com/X-Raym/REAPER-Rea...ts%20value.lua. But it would be nicer if the 'set value' context menu item would do this automatically if several points are selected. That's what a user would expect.
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03-05-2024, 01:28 PM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Oct 2018
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for anyone else happening upon this thread, check out the following post from julian sader
- multi tool - https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=253687
multi tool consolidates several tools from 'other' list (below) into one swiss army knife style tool - and it works on midi cc + midi inline editor + track automation lanes
map multi tool to a hotkey (preferably a single key - bc it needs to be held down for script to run) and try it out
doesn't do exact values though (afaik) - for exact values, the x-raym script (mentioned by earlier commenters) is really quite excellent and is also available via reapack
if you like multi tool, sader has kindly also shared many other useful midi tools - https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=176878
Last edited by boolin; 03-05-2024 at 01:45 PM.
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