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09-21-2014, 03:09 PM
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Deadly Assumptions
OMG I have made some pretty good Demo's(my own stuff) so I figured I could mix my friends band easy enough... Just for fun Here's where the wrong assumptions come in. I assumed there was a click track, an assigned tempo, that they would adhere to the tempo, that the drummer had great time, that the tracks would be a tiny bit balanced(levels) and I could go on...The stems he sent me are a train wreck. Many lessons and comments I have seen on this board now make sense... I have played with a few multi track songs from Mike Seniors web site but to begin with they at least had an tempo that was set and adhered to. Oh well, I guess I will learn some new stuff... Of course I can see drum transients making the beats seem obvious but, What's the easiest way to alighn the audio to beats? (in places it seems necessary? Use Timestretch?
I know it may be a long answer, maybe this is more of a rant than anything else. I sent my friend a text saying "have you heard of this thing called a metronome" ?
PS and the mike bleed on the drums... omg
I think this first day I have already decided not to be a professorial mix engineer :-) I bought Kenny's Video tutorials, I will look for information about aligning audio...
Update. Thank you for the comments, you save a lot of time and heartache...I'll work with what they gave me... Maybe some tempo markers but I will keep it simple/real.;-)
Last edited by donchilcott; 09-21-2014 at 10:36 PM.
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09-21-2014, 03:16 PM
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Just mix it like they played it.Don't get into moving audio around.
Thats grand for the odd fluffed kick or snare or a bad note here and there.
But if you have to then you're moving everything..overheads..all the drum mic tracks.Its not worth it.
It'll never sound right..it'll be a PITA and the life will be sucked out of the tune
If the band arent tight...thats what the are.Give them what they played
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09-21-2014, 03:45 PM
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+1.
Now it will be interesting is to see if they notice.
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09-21-2014, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by donchilcott
OMG I have made some pretty good Demo's(my own stuff) so I figured I could mix my friends band easy enough... Just for fun Here's where the wrong assumptions come in. I assumed there was a click track, an assigned tempo, that they would adhere to the tempo, that the drummer had great time, that the tracks would be a tiny bit balanced(levels) and I could go on...
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When will you be visiting earth next? LOL
Welcome to the real world - when you open the doors to the public, trust me, you never know what will come through them.
I used to shudder when a clown car pulled up and the clowns started tumbling out - now at least I accept that I'm going to have a laugh (at least inwardly) ;-)
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09-21-2014, 04:56 PM
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I think also, that this is why tracking is important as well, because you can make them redo some parts etc...
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09-21-2014, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by donchilcott
OMG I have made some pretty good Demo's(my own stuff) so I figured I could mix my friends band easy enough... Just for fun Here's where the wrong assumptions come in. I assumed there was a click track, an assigned tempo, that they would adhere to the tempo, that the drummer had great time, that the tracks would be a tiny bit balanced(levels) and I could go on...The stems he sent me are a train wreck. Many lessons and comments I have seen on this board now make sense... I have played with a few multi track songs from Mike Seniors web site but to begin with they at least had an tempo that was set and adhered to. Oh well, I guess I will learn some new stuff... Of course I can see drum transients making the beats seem obvious but, What's the easiest way to alighn the audio to beats? (in places it seems necessary? Use Timestretch?
I know it may be a long answer, maybe this is more of a rant than anything else. I sent my friend a text saying "have you heard of this thing called a metronome" ?
PS and the mike bleed on the drums... omg
I think this first day I have already decided not to be a professorial mix engineer :-) I bought Kenny's Video tutorials, I will look for information about aligning audio...
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If it wasnt recorded to a click dont try to make it fit the grid.
I go the other way and tempo map a free time song song with tempo markers. Tempo markers tell reaper where the start of every bar is so reaper can recalculate the tempo on the fly for each bar. This allows me to tempo sync effects as if the song was recorded to a grid.
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09-21-2014, 06:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by donchilcott
PS and the mike bleed on the drums...
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Yeah that can be awful!
I've found that gating, expansion and/or EQ on the individual parts can often clean things up really nicely.
I usually start with the overheads (if they gave you any!). If they're decent-ish you can sometimes scrap some of the other parts completely. Everything except kick will generally benefit from high-pass to clean up inaudible mud.
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09-21-2014, 06:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cosmic
Just mix it like they played it.
If the band arent tight...thats what the are.Give them what they played
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+1, keep it real
Just imagine if this mindset went viral and every audio/mix engineer in the world
said "THATS IT" NO MORE
No more autotune
No more fixing up bad timing
No more drum replacing
NO more telling the guitar player, hey man , your out of tune.
No more etc etc etc
No more fake music business
What would the fans think ?
Cheers
Last edited by Wolffman; 09-21-2014 at 07:03 PM.
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