MIDI CC Halp

lxm · 06-20-2015, 06:36 AM

Hey ya'll. As some might know I got a Linnstrument. Coming back to REAPER now to bring it fully into the workflow. I've been using the Logic project files that he had on his site. I'm not sure how to program the MIDI CC info within REAPER. Need to create a sound in Omnisphere/REAPER that responds to Channel Pressure, Pitch Bend and CC74 messages.

http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/linns...-settings.html

EvilDragon · 06-20-2015, 07:04 AM

MIDI editor. You can add lanes below the default velocity one. That's where it's at.

lxm · 06-20-2015, 08:46 AM

I guess I dont understand how to program Omnisphere to send Timbre to CC74 for example. I dont see a way to the default CC's in REAPER either.

EvilDragon · 06-20-2015, 08:54 AM

System page in Omnisphere, set any controller you want to CC74 by MIDI learning it.

It's pretty obvious how MIDI editor works, though. All DAWs have pretty much the same principle... CC lanes are on the bottom. Left side of the CC lane has a dropdown menu to select which CC you want the lane to control.

You're 4 years here on the forum and you don't know how to work the MIDI editor? :/

gofer · 06-20-2015, 08:59 AM

I don't think lxm asked anything about the MIDI editor. I believe

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Originally Posted by EvilDragon

System page in Omnisphere, set any controller you want to CC74 by MIDI learning it.

answers the whole question already.

ivansc · 06-20-2015, 09:03 AM

CCs. Sort of the same thing, isnt it?
Even an elderly luddite like me knows how to do that.

EvilDragon · 06-20-2015, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by gofer

I don't think lxm asked anything about the MIDI editor. I believe

I might've misunderstood something. If so, sorry

lxm · 06-20-2015, 10:14 AM

Well you need to use Automate said CC in Omnisphere with REAPERs automation. I dont claim to be an expert.... just trying to learn new things. It was quite a PITA to set up but I "think" I have it now.

I can be shitty at describing things(sorry). Makes sense in my head lol

EvilDragon · 06-20-2015, 02:53 PM

Hmm, no, you don't need to use automation at all... It's just a MIDI CC.

There's a difference between automation and MIDI CC control.

Besides, automation won't work on polyphonic voices in a polyphonic manner (which is why you've got Linnstrument in the first place, I suspect). But CCs will (provided you use one MIDI channel per voice).

lxm · 06-20-2015, 02:54 PM

What else could "control continuous note volume" be called?

Full description:

For held sounds like wind or bowed-string instruments, there is no continuous pressure control.
To add pressure control, you'll need to edit your sound generator presets, using LinnStrument's Polyphonic Pressure messages (sent by default) to control continuous note volume.

EvilDragon · 06-20-2015, 03:00 PM

Ah, so it sends out polyphonic aftertouch by default. Reaper doesn't currently have the facility of editing PAT graphically... only in event list (and that's a bitch, naturally).

You should use your Linnstrument in Note per channel mode, and set Loudness/Z so it sends either CC11 (Expression) or CC74. From there on, you can edit that info (after you've recorded it) in the MIDI editor. No real need to mess around with PAT in Reaper when it doesn't have proper facilities for editing it swiftly.

At least that's what I'd suggest.

lxm · 06-20-2015, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilDragon

Ah, so it sends out polyphonic aftertouch by default. Reaper doesn't currently have the facility of editing PAT graphically... only in event list (and that's a bitch, naturally).

You should use your Linnstrument in Note per channel mode, and set Loudness/Z so it sends either CC11 (Expression) or CC74. From there on, you can edit that info (after you've recorded it) in the MIDI editor. No real need to mess around with PAT in Reaper when it doesn't have proper facilities for editing it swiftly.

At least that's what I'd suggest.

Logic can yes? Thats what im confused about. How would Omnisphere for example know how to use Polyphonic Aftertouch? Or any soft synth for that matter.

What would this be called usually in a vsti? I cant seem to figure it out with Omni

EvilDragon · 06-20-2015, 03:07 PM

Logic seems no better for editing PAT events than Reaper. It's either the event list, or a mush of all PAT events for all notes in one lane in Hyper Editor... sucks. Bitwig and FL Studio do this right, as outlined in this FR: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=1099.

Omnisphere doesn't support PAT AFAIK (it's not listed in the modulation sources at all). A lot of VSTis don't support it, in fact. It's either called polyphonic aftertouch, or poly pressure.

Use a CC instead, and note per channel mode!

lxm · 06-20-2015, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilDragon

Logic seems no better for editing PAT events than Reaper. It's either the event list, or a mush of all PAT events for all notes in one lane in Hyper Editor... sucks. Bitwig and FL Studio do this right, as outlined in this FR: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=1099.

Omnisphere doesn't support PAT AFAIK (it's not listed in the modulation sources at all). A lot of VSTis don't support it, in fact. It's either called polyphonic aftertouch, or poly pressure.

Use a CC instead, and note per channel mode!

I guess using 'amp' per channel to CC11 would be the next best thing huh. That sucks. I bought it cause Lin said it could do the full 3d control.

EvilDragon · 06-20-2015, 03:53 PM

You can still have that control, but the synth has to support it. It's either via PAT, or via note-per-channel and a CC. Both would work. So don't despair.

(CC11 can modulate whatever if the synth supports that, not just volume - and Omni can.)

lxm · 06-20-2015, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilDragon

You can still have that control, but the synth has to support it. It's either via PAT, or via note-per-channel and a CC. Both would work. So don't despair.

(CC11 can modulate whatever if the synth supports that, not just volume - and Omni can.)

http://support.spectrasonics.net/man...on/page04.html

I guess it does. But I dont know how to set it up? NO CC attached to it...

EvilDragon · 06-20-2015, 04:01 PM

CC11 _is_ "Expression". So if you use that modulation source, it's going to modulate whatever you want.

Alternatively, if you want to control existing modulation in all Omnisphere patches, you should probably remap modwheel to CC11 or whatever on the System tab, as I suggested earlier in the thread.

lxm · 06-20-2015, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilDragon

CC11 _is_ "Expression". So if you use that modulation source, it's going to modulate whatever you want.

Alternatively, if you want to control existing modulation in all Omnisphere patches, you should probably remap modwheel to CC11 or whatever on the System tab, as I suggested earlier in the thread.

I agree but there is no controller to move within Lin to make Omni behave that way. ED... why cant shit just work!? I wanna just make stuff lol.

EvilDragon · 06-20-2015, 05:11 PM

Sure there is. You have X, Y and Z axes to play with. Set Z to send CC11 or channel pressure, instead of poly pressure by default...

http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/linns...-settings.html

In short, RTFM

lxm · 06-20-2015, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilDragon

Sure there is. You have X, Y and Z axes to play with. Set Z to send CC11 or channel pressure, instead of poly pressure by default...

http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/linns...-settings.html

In short, RTFM

I am! Trust me. Thats the thing. Its on Chan pres. Dosent have the desired affect of aftertouch to swell the notes(dosent work). I send 'amp' and 'part level' to CC11 and sort of does what it should but then it fucks with the dynamics/playability of the thing.

EvilDragon · 06-21-2015, 12:41 AM

Perhaps channel pressure does nothing in the actual preset in Omni (it's not assigned in the mod matrix)? That's why you should probably set it to send Linnstrument to send CC1 for Z.

lxm · 06-21-2015, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilDragon

Perhaps channel pressure does nothing in the actual preset in Omni (it's not assigned in the mod matrix)? That's why you should probably set it to send Linnstrument to send CC1 for Z.

You mean CC11 right? Yeah, mapping expression dosent play nice either... Cuts the sound off when you lift your finger from a pad. It does 'work' with pressure other than that issue. Maybe its not possible with Omni?

EvilDragon · 06-22-2015, 12:22 AM

I dunno, man. There's only so much I can help without actually owning a Linnstrument.

No, I meant try CC1, not CC11.

martygras · 06-23-2015, 04:19 PM

I find assigning aftertouch,(channel aftertouch) to multiple destinations complex enough. Polyphonic aftertouch is a whole new can of worms.

If movement in 3D space is what you are after, there may be other ways to achieve that effect more easily.
A Kaoss type pad comes to mind, or perhaps automation of a spacial plug-in after the fact.

Or I just don't know what you wanted to do in the first place. In that case, disregard everything I said.

...and good luck, but let us know what you find out. It might help others in the future.